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Semioldguy-
Koopa Troopas are in a lot more Mario games than Buzzy Beetles. In original Mario and Mario 3, they are practically the same. In Paper Mario games, the koopa troopas stand, but buzzy beetles aren't incapable of having items.
In your pictures, the buzzy beetle has little claws at the end of it's feet. I don't think the picture you linked implies that buzzy beetles could not use items.
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WLC-
Overall this post rubs me wrong.
-Gorrad already gave his reason for that.
He believes players are either summoned by another player, or randomly/spontaneously jump in. He also stated that he finds it unlikely that there is more than one BA controlled method for having BA players jump in.
It sounds like you are latching on to what other players have said to give yourself an excuse to wagon.
Not very pro-town.
-Coin-fishing?
-Partially agreed. If you assume that Ace is soft-claiming knowledge of multiple methods of night killing (or at least knowledge of the existence of multiple methods of night killing), that should clarify Zwet's post as being much more likely a claim of fire immunity (hence uncertainty about night kill immunity in general).
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WLC-
-Misunderstanding? I didn't think Caf's post is at all ambiguous. He clearly stated that the 1-Up Shroom may be an MK controlled method for having MK players jump in to the game.
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Semioldguy-
-I agree that this seems likely. However, for similar reasons,
I assume there are jump-in mechanisms for both town and scum.
I'm pretty sure this concept was discussed previously (perhaps not specifically wrt 1-Up mushrooms), if I have more time I'll try to dig for it
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Gorrad-
If you have role-based information that shows that Zwet is scum, then share it.
As it is, you are behaving like a claimed investigation role who is claiming to have investigated a player and caught them in a lie, but refuses to tell what the investigation result is or explain to the town how the investigation shows that the player is lying.
If you are town, then you are already a target. I supposed if you think Zwet is a sure lynch today then there is no reason to share your additional information. However, there is also no reason to promise the future sharing of such information.
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Zwet-
That wouldn't be a scumclaim. He also isn't directly stating that he has role information proving that you are scum. He is just implying that to be the case.
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WLC-
WLC wrote:If zwet himself can't, can you explain why zwet is town?
Asking people to prove/explain how they are town is a wasted exercise. Actually though, this raises an interesting point (which seems like a natural follow up to Tajo's plan from yesterday, and I'm surprised nobody raised this).
If we assume that MK cannot buy/acquire BA items, then players who bought BA items last night and did not use them could potentially confirm themselves by trading them now to prove that they did indeed purchase such an item
. This ONLY works if we assume that ONLY BA can buy BA items (and if players who can buy BA items actually *did* buy BA items).
In application, I think there are too many risks to do this as a mass/universal action. However, we could use it as an additional check against mislynching. If Zwet has a BA item, he could trade it to a players who suspects him and use that to prove ability to acquire BA items.
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Mora-
Where did Ort claim role-information that Zwet is town?
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ZEEnon-
He is right. You are lurking. Post more content. I didn't even know you were in this game.
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Mora-
You left out ZEEnon.
@Tajo-
Your linked game is ongoing and Looker's alignment is not revealed yet. I agree that he exhibits completely different behavior in that game.
I disagree with your conclusion that Looker playing differently (in a better way than his norm) in one on-going game implies that he is scum in this game for playing how he normally does. Generally, it is more suspicious when a player *changes* their normal playstyle than when they maintain it.
Ort-Tajo was the first to apply the term "retarded" to Looker. Tajo did it to describe Looker's current level of game-play.
Unless you subscribe to the belief that retarded players are more likely to be scum, then I don't see how Looker playing like his normal retarded self implicates him as scum. I agree that it would be great if Looker posted as prolifically in this game as in the linked one.
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Ort-
To be clear, you are claiming that you have role-based information that implies that Zwet is a townie.
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Mora-
I believe the case here is that Looker had not read the game and so should not have been able to successfully vote for scum (unless he got lucky). If he was actually scum, then his vote is easily explained as a bus.
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Ort-
How is this role-based?
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Empking-
I much prefer when a player attempts to look useful over a player who doesn't try to be useful AND doesn't try to look useful. Mora doesn't really fit into either category since he has actually been posting useful stuff. That's much better than your behavior so far.
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Tajo-
Why do you claim that there are no power roles in the game? The rules explicitly state that power roles may exist in the game. The only thing not present will be normal roles.
Role rules wrote:16) In this game there are no normal roles like vig, doc, etc., due to the items in this game (see below). When someone dies, I will only reveal his rolename and alignment, not his role (example: Player 1, Mario (Mushroom Kingdom), killed Night 1). There is, however, at least one scumgroup, and that is an informed minority, and
killing, protecting, investigating etc. might appear in this game just as you’re used to.
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Tajo-
Role-fishing does not require normal power roles.
If Ort has actual role-based information indicating that Zwet is a townie, then he should share it if it looks like Zwet will be lynched if it is not shared. This is not the same as Gorrad claiming information that indicates Zwet is scum. Gorrad sharing his information at worst results in a 1-for-1. Ort sharing his information does not directly help us find scum.
Still, Ort has claimed role-based information and now explained it in a way that is clearly not role-based.
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Ace-
Did you ever consider that Law may have provided different players with different amounts of information regarding immunities/protections (and more generally, different amounts of information regarding any other aspect of their role PMs)?
Also, this reminds me of your push re: "no items" = "no hands". Gorrad has since claimed to have hands, but also be unable to use items.
the alternative hypothesis, that he is scum who has knowledge of all the NK methods and resistances, is just as likely.
