Too much stuff to go over. Not fully caught up but out of time for this (skimmed most of it nothing jumped out immediately). Here's my thoughts so far (doesn't address the latest page of posts).
Have a good weekend all.
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Lots of nulltells being thrown around...
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Gorrad-
Agreeing with
Tajo's list should have little to no bearing on his affiliation. You both agree that the active players are probably town, and the inactive players are either scum or neutral. This is a pretty safe and normal position for scum to take, particularly as it lets them blend in with the active townies.
The divergences that you both have taken are:
Tajo:
-Ort scum even though he is active
-WLC town even though isn't very active
Gorrad:
-Mora scum even though he is active
-Ort scum even though he is active
If either of you turn out to be scum, this should be noted.
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Ort-
-Asking for claims pre-maturely is anti-town but not inherently scummy.
-Lurkerhunting by itself is a nulltell. Tajo isn't tunnelling on lurkerhunts or forcing others to do so.
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Sirdanilot-
Wth?
-Regularly posting reasons and content are not scumtells.
-Being open to lynch other players if your top choice has no chance of success is a null tell, but generally I'd call it a pro-town attitude. Lynching, even mislynching, beats a no lynch. It is far better to get your number 2 or 3 lynched than to insist on number 1 and end up in either no lynch or lynch of someone you think is a townie.
-Short periods of absence happen to everyone. It's called life. Major null tell.
-In my books, Ace is 95% non-MK. If you still suspect him despite admitting his critical role in nailing SK, then present that case.
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Sirdanilot-
-Looker being replaced does not excuse his player slot from being suspicious. I agree that we should not lynch prior to his replacement coming in, but nobody has suggested that.
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Tajo-
He thinks you are basing your suspicions on BS. You disagree with his assessment of whether they are BS, but that shouldn't stop you from seeing his argument.
Ort is making some valid arguments; he is also using some invalid ones.
ie His "if A then B" is true, but you disagree on whether A is true or not
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RBT-
Tajo didn't misuse the term OMGUS. He explained that he feels he has valid reasons to vote/suspect Ort. It is nearly impossible for most people to completely separate their beliefs/suspicions from their personal circumstances, and Tajo appears to be no exception. He is probably mistaken and there probably is some OMGUS driving his suspicion of Ort. But he is correct that his vote is not only OMGUS. How is this scummy anyway?
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@Gorrad-
If you think Ort is scum, why would you be upset with his lynch? I don't see how that makes any sense for a townie.
@Sirdanilot-
Someone said Law is your brother. Do you know him well enough to guess how he might think?
Do you know what Mario games he is most familiar with?
Particularly, do you know if he played the original SMB, SMB3, any Paper Mario games?
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Sirdanilot-
If you are going to be lynched, then it is better to name/role claim prior to getting lynched.
Normally this is a no-brainer since getting lynched has the same negative aspect as claiming plus one dead townie.
Get lynched:
-One dead townie
-Scum learn town information to better plan their actions, craft fake-claims, etc
Claim:
-Scum learn town information to better plan their actions, craft fake-claims, etc
In our game it is different.
Get lynched:
-One dead townie
Claim:
-Scum learn town information to better plan their actions, craft fake-claims, etc
Depending on your role, it is possible that conventional wisdom (claiming prior to being lynched), is not the best thing to do.
@WLC-
I also laughed at Zwet's comment. But then I decided to write a meaningful post. I suggest you do the same.
@RBT-
Please post more and stop tunneling only on Tajo.
