populartajo wrote:Sirdan, I also dont think caf is scum. His reasoning is very similar to mine.
What are your thougts of ort and Looker?
Are you scum too? Anyway, I see how you mentioned numerous times that you 'don't think someone is scum'. So there are two possibilities here; either you are scum who first decides who is 'scum' and who isn't or you are town very bad as scumhunting. Since you're an experienced player I think I'll have to lean towards the former.
In other news, please explain exactly with what reasoning of caf you agree with. His defense against my attack or his reasoning to suspect zwet?
Oh nvm reading further reveals that 'caf comes to the same conclusions as me' (paraphrased). How is it more likely that he is town and is 'going through the same thought process' than that he is scum copying your (or rather, popular town) opinion? Can we also get examples of this happening?
Kast seems to greatly misunderstand the part where I described the typical play style. Just like caf, he seems to think that this was actually part of my case against caf. However, I explained how it wasn't before this kast post. this confirms that he hasn't read my post in reply to caf at that time. this is not scummy at all, but it is noted. I tend to do this too when there's so much to read (like now there's 3 pages...)
kast wrote:
@Sirdanilot-
Wth?
(1)-Regularly posting reasons and content are not scumtells.
(2)-Being open to lynch other players if your top choice has no chance of success is a null tell, but generally I'd call it a pro-town attitude. Lynching, even mislynching, beats a no lynch. It is far better to get your number 2 or 3 lynched than to insist on number 1 and end up in either no lynch or lynch of someone you think is a townie.
(3)-Short periods of absence happen to everyone. It's called life. Major null tell.
1. true, see above
2. this is your only valid point that is actually addressing my case. The thing that jumped out to me here is just how it looks like he's following popular opinion. And that his 'general' attitude was lynching zwet. Maybe my suspicion was a bit too gut oriented.
3. true, see above
kast wrote:
@Sirdanilot-
-Looker being replaced does not excuse his player slot from being suspicious. I agree that we should not lynch prior to his replacement coming in, but nobody has suggested that.
How did I say it excuses his player slot from being suspicious? And I'm pretty sure tajo is suggesting that (maybe not explicitly?).
@Sirdanilot-
Someone said Law is your brother. (1)Do you know him well enough to guess how he might think?
(2)Do you know what Mario games he is most familiar with?
(3)Particularly, do you know if he played the original SMB, SMB3, any Paper Mario games?
yes I'm his brother. yay..
1. maybe
2. super mario bros 3. super mario bros 2. we played super mario bros 1 too (we had this neat Mario Allstars cartridge for snes). he's addicted to Super Smash Bros., SSB melee and he played SSB brawl. He's slightly less familiar with the super mario world series. But seriously how is this going to help you. It's not like he has never heard of wikipedia to find characters he's less familiar with.
Also I don't have any role knowledge whatsoever since I didn't want to help him mod this from the start so he decided not to tell anything at all so I could legally play without bias. Just for the record. He ever told me anything. He did tell about mkm 1 while it was going on (which I didn't play) but it went into one ear and then out the other, as we Dutch say, so I have mostly no knowledge of it.
3. Both, and we played Paper Mario and the Thousand Year Door I just remember. None of the other paper mario games though.
The fact that he is my brother is probably not going to help us much. If it would have I would probably not be playing in this game. I wouldn't want to cheat.
@Sirdanilot-
If you are going to be lynched, then it is better to name/role claim prior to getting lynched.
Normally this is a no-brainer since getting lynched has the same negative aspect as claiming plus one dead townie.
Get lynched:
-One dead townie
-Scum learn town information to better plan their actions, craft fake-claims, etc
Claim:
-Scum learn town information to better plan their actions, craft fake-claims, etc
In our game it is different.
Get lynched:
-One dead townie
Claim:
-Scum learn town information to better plan their actions, craft fake-claims, etc
Depending on your role, it is possible that conventional wisdom (claiming prior to being lynched), is not the best thing to do.
I appreciate this lecture, but how is this a reply on the post you tried to link to (note: I don't know if it's my browser or your linking skills, but sometimes it first goes to the correct post but then jumps to another one leaving me guessing what posts you are referring to. but in this case it linked to the right one I think).
What I was talking about is how zwet's claim wasn't a good reason to be lynching zwet, while at the time it came off as if that
was
caf's only reason. Try again.
gorrad wrote:
2) I would be upset to see him lynched because, while I do think him scum, he actually posts, contributes significantly, analyses, etc. If he's town, his lynch would be a significantly bigger loss than that of Zwet.
1. Please post who you are talking to, or quote the post you are referring or link to it. A simple '@ person' takes only several milliseconds to type and is full of goody conveniency.
Anyway, even though I don't know what you're talking about here, activity shouldn't be a good reason not to lynch someone if you think he's scummy. That is just anti town.
AceMarksman wrote:kast wrote:-In my books, Ace is 95% non-MK. If you still suspect him despite admitting his critical role in nailing SK, then present that case.
^this. Seriously doubting that sir is BA at the moment.
I addressed this issue WAY BEFORE. Please learn how to read the thread. Currently I'm no longer suspecting him more than I suspect everyone else but I am not convinced of his townyness. You are not confirmed. Stop omgusing if this is the only reason of your suspicion of me. If not, case please.
ThAdmiral wrote:due to the request my win con is that I win when there is only mushroom kingdom left.
If you have any other pertinent questions ask and I will answer to the best of my abilities.
Now i've got quite a bit of reading to do!
thadmiral wrote:
whoops - i mean I win when there is NO mushroom kingdom left.
scum slip !
Note: I now think I get gorrad's reasoning. However I am not sure if I should explain it, nor that Gorrad should.
unvote caf vote ThAdmiral
acemarksman wrote:FoS: RBT Even though the vote is good, that was too opportunistic not to be taken into consideration. RBT, you have lurked the entire game yet when tajo and I catch scum, you instantly jump on the wagon. Where are your cases against other players? Where are your suspicions. I think RBT will get my vote tomorrow after we lynch Admiral!scum.
This is understandable, but not thought out enough. I am not saying that I think RBT is pro town. (His play is very much like he played as scum in Sushi Mafia. However, I have no town meta. I suppose I should look one up. )Anyway here you are working a bit from the assumption he is scum. His vote makes a lot of sense if he's scum. But experience shows that town don't have much options other than following the same procedure in the case of a scum slip. Just saying.
populartajo wrote:
ENOUGH.
You are softclaiming that you have information that indicates Im scum?
YES OR NO.
Could you please stop rolefishing? Thank you. It's bad if you're town, and it makes you looks scummy if you're scum.
Unofficial Votecount:
-ThAdmiral (8): Kast, populartajo, AceMarksman, Riceballtail,
Gorrad, Empking, Caf19, sirdanilot
My vote was probably the hammer, if there was someone on the wagon with a double vote. I decided to hammer since not only did ThAdmiral slip there, in a ridiculously scummy way, but if he would somehow magically be towny (almost impossible) we have A LOT to analyze tomorrow.
