MKM II GAME OVER

[Moratorium]

I knew you were zwets.

[zwetschenwasser]

Huh? How am I OGB?

[sirdanilot]

I think we should be a bit more careful with the voting thing, since we wouldn't want to out people with double votes.

[AceMarksman]

No, tajo, don't do that. Let's not jeopardize the lynch.

[zwetschenwasser]

I agree with Ace.

[Kast]

@Tajo-

That is the same as what I proposed except less efficient since you ask EVERYONE to unvote, instead of just unvoting enough to drop below visible lynch threshold.

Besides, the idea of people unvoting was already tossed around, I formalized it in a specific plan and asked the mod specifically if it is allowed.

But this isn't the first time you've ignored a post then posted the same thing and claimed it as your own idea. This is the third time you've done that to me and something like the 7th or 8th time you've done it so far in the game.

More relevant, if we have already hit lynch threshold, we won't be able to verify the votes of anyone who was on the wagon at the time of the posted real votecount.

Also, if we wish to follow any plan that abuses part of the game design/setup, we should first verify that it is okay with the mod before doing so.

[semioldguy]

Here are the players that aren't currently voting ThAdmiral.

WeyounsLastClone

-- Voting for someone else (please switch)

killa seven

-- typical non-participatory gameplay

ZEEnon

-- Not participating (and complains when he gets voted because he says he's V/LA?)

ThAdmiral

-- Self-Voting is in style these days, I swear!

semioldguy

-- hmmm...

millar13

-- Hell, you've given up the cow already, help us out and vote your buddy off.

The one that I'm honestly very surprised hasn't helped out with this wagon is semioldguy, who appears to have ignored this topic entirely and stayed non-voting. I had a townish read on him, but now I'm confused by his sidelining.

I have 0 voting power today. I did not get an explanation as to why (though I have a guess, if Yoshi has the same abilities as last game, than I might have been his target last night). I don't know whether or not my voting returns to normal again tomorrow, but I'd hope so.

[Moratorium]

I have 0 voting power today. I did not get an explanation as to why (though I have a guess, if Yoshi has the same abilities as last game, than I might have been his target last night). I don't know whether or not my voting returns to normal again tomorrow, but I'd hope so.

Ah yes, I done forgot.

[ortolan]

Few things going back:

I disagree with AM's assertion in 1399 that tajo has played a "key role" in catching the scum so far in this game.

I think the most likely explanation for people's votes not counting is a vote reducing item or ability in play- probably in scum's hands. Note this doesn't mean we should jump to conclusions that people who have negative votes aren't scum- they may well target their own players for WIFOM or accidentally cross-target other scum-groups if they're not teamed together.

millar's suggestion he was using a fakeclaim makes no sense- why would the mod give an actual townie a safeclaim to make them look scummy? Plus why didn't I get one if I'm town too?

and if you fakeclaim a role, don't pretend to use the exact same text as in a pm from me.

I don't understand how he could have "accidentally" pretended to use the same text the mod didn't actually send him.

why have you only now claimed your impaired vote semioldguy?

[semioldguy]

I didn't just now claim it... I claimed it a week ago back in Post 1222 as quoted and noted above responding to Moratorium.

[Lawrencelot]

As of post 1510, a lynch has been reached. I have to go now, expect the lynch scene in an hour or so

[ortolan]

@ semi oh true my mistake

it's possible/likely several of the scum's abilities revolve around impairing votes. So you were notified via pm of your impaired voting were you semi?

Was anyone else notified of any changes to their voting today?

[Lawrencelot]

Note: I will not show the real votecount more than once in a game day, so unvoting and revoting before there has been a lynch is possible but doesn't result in a new real votecount. I made a small change in a normal and in a special rule, see the first post.

Visible Votecount

-ThAdmiral (12): Kast, populartajo, AceMarksman, Riceballtail, zwetschenwasser, Gorrad, Empking, caf19, sirdanilot, ortolan, Moratorium, millar13
-millar13 (1): WeyounsLastClone

Not voting (4): killa seven, ZEEnon, ThAdmiral, semioldguy

With 17 alive it takes 9 real votes to lynch.

There are enough real votes for a lynch.

Which side is ThAdmiral on? First he says he's part of the Mushroom Kingdom, then he says he's part of Bowser's Army. Whatever side he's on, you will find out soon. The people inside the castle quickly decided that he should be killed. Together they pushed him towards the nearest lava river. Without being able to resist himself against this mob, ThAdmiral fell into the fire. In his last moments, the people inside Bowser's Castle saw ThAdmiral was a Toad.

ThAdmiral, Toad (Mushroom Kingdom), lynched Day 2.

It is now Night 2. You have until the weekend to send your night actions.

[Lawrencelot]

Three people are missing as the people inside Bowser's Castle wake up. With the biggest effort the bodies of WeyounsLastClone, populartajo and semioldguy could be identified. They were all fighting for the same goal, they were all part of the same species, and they were all original inhabitants of this castle. But not everyone will mourn their death...

WeyounsLastClone, Green Koopa (Bowser's Army), was killed Night 2.
populartajo, Lakitu (Bowser's Army), was killed Night 2.
semioldguy, Green Parakoopa (Bowser's Army), was killed Night 2.

It is now Day 3. With 13 alive, it takes 7 real votes to lynch.

[Lawrencelot]

Information on coins and votes sent (except for those whose amounts didn't change).

[ortolan]

can't honestly say I regret the choice of night-kill targets, bar semioldguy

interestingly Gorrad fails to be night-killed despite his claiming of a role which is an obvious target

Vote: millar

millar: how did you come up with that idea for a fakeclaim (diddy kong), and the pm structure; to begin with?

[Moratorium]

vote: miller13

[Empking]

Vote: Miller

[ortolan]

let him answer my question and I also want a long suspicions list from him before he gets lynched

[Moratorium]

Ortolan, I'd like to know more about your opinions of tajo, and in particular which elements of your case on him you think were retrospectively incorrect and led you to believe he was scum. Since you two were in such a heated debate, his flip implicates you by default, and I have to decide whether the implication is legitimate, or whether tajo was killed to put you in a bad light.

I'm not satisfied with you simply commenting on his death and moving on.

[ortolan]

his case on me was utterly illogical but is apparently explained by tunneling; furthermore he was never going to stop attacking me this game no matter how townie I was so it was furthermore a matter of self-survival

Also, while it's entirely possible, even probable this was the case, how do you know "tajo was deliberately killed to put me in a bad light" anyway, there are several ways his death might be explained which don't involve a deliberate choice by a scum faction.

[Moratorium]

how do you know "tajo was deliberately killed to put me in a bad light" anyway

I don't. There are many options, but the ones that are important to my thought process right now are you being scum, or you being framed. If it's something else entirely, super duper.

[ortolan]

you can wagon me tomorrow; after millar

it's inevitable but there's no use until we get a resolution to the millar wagon of some form

[AceMarksman]

So, we now know there are at least three killing roles and probably that many protective or roleblocking roles. That's good to know.

Vote: millar

diescumdie.

[populartajo]

fuck you scum