Mini 746: Speed Dating - I've Had The Time Of My Life (Over)

[don_johnson]

Not sure I believe molest.

i have to agree. it sounds awfully convenient.

[Nightfall]

Not sure I believe molest.

i have to agree. it sounds awfully convenient.

Took the words right out of my mouth.
I'm sitting with her right now though... *Tear*

Right now I'd be tempted to ask for a seat change, and put an FOS on a Mole and Countess table.

We never did learn what the count's role was did we? last I checked even after his parting his role was listed as ????

[molestargazer]

Look, if you don't believe me, fine.

As long as if, for TODAY, you take my word for it - find someone who you think is scummy, I'll quote their roleclaim and receive lie or not. Kill me then, you'll see I'm telling the truth, I'll have done my part, and you can look at those who wagoned me and exclude the person I've cleared.

[molestargazer]

Mole... What is your win condition(s)?

I win if all the married people leave, and not with me.

[molestargazer]

don - Why is it so convenient?

[Jahudo]

Kill me then, you'll see I'm telling the truth, I'll have done my part, and you can look at those who wagoned me and exclude the person I've cleared.

Unless "The Count" was married I think this has to be lylo.

It's an unusual gambit to role claim a flavor cop when mole presumably wasn't high on people's suspect lists. Being last to claim would allow scum to decide if another power role would look normal, and I think it actually does because as far as I can tell only MonkeyMan had a power. It would make sense for there to be at least one other right?

Right now the only person I think is scum is The Countess for lurking, fluff posting and staying way under the radar this whole game. V/LA and replacements seems to have taken some of that inactivity but we have learned basically nothing about what that role slot thinks so I have no reason to think he's pro-town.

[Kmd4390]

Ok, here's a plan.

If everyone agrees (aka don't do this yet), molest (nice avatar) can check The Countess's win condition as true or false.

If it comes up false, we lynch The Countess with someone who just needs the married people to leave regardless of whether it's with them or not. If The Countess flips town, Molest is scum. If not, we figure out what to do with Molest later.

If it comes up true, we lynch Molest with the same conditions on a pair. If Molest is town, The Countess is confirmed. If not, we figure out what to do with The Countess tomorrow.

Sound good?

[Jahudo]

DJ is the only one that can go with married people and his character is female, which means we'd need to pick a male we think is scum.

mole is also female so if he investigates a female and gets guilty we know one of the two is scum. If he investigates a male and gets guilty he could be bussing in order to look confirmed. But investigating a male helps us decide who to pair up with DJ.

[Kmd4390]

Does at least one male and one female still have to be scum?

I'd say if we have to choose a male, Molest can check Nightfall.

[Nightfall]

I'd say if we have to choose a male, Molest can check Nightfall.

LOL,
Of course you do.
You wouldn't pick yourself would you?

[Nightfall]

Ok, here's a plan.

If everyone agrees (aka don't do this yet), molest (nice avatar) can check The Countess's win condition as true or false.

If it comes up false, we lynch The Countess with someone who just needs the married people to leave regardless of whether it's with them or not. If The Countess flips town, Molest is scum. If not, we figure out what to do with Molest later.

If it comes up true, we lynch Molest with the same conditions on a pair. If Molest is town, The Countess is confirmed. If not, we figure out what to do with The Countess tomorrow.

Sound good?

There's faulty logic here too. If Mole is scum, he should know who else is scum. If we ask (scum) mole to investigate a towny, he could could lie to us if the pair is town and win the game if we lynch them. If he betrays his partner and tells us someone is scum, he will look better in our eyes and likely make it till the end of the game on that one action still winning it for his team...

If Mole is town, then that's a whole nother story... but I'm not sure how much faith I have in that...

[Kmd4390]

I'd say if we have to choose a male, Molest can check Nightfall.

LOL,
Of course you do.
You wouldn't pick yourself would you?

From my PoV, it isn't productive to check myself. And I see Jahudo as protown. That leaves you who I am having trouble getting a read on. If it was my own personal investigation, I'd check you.

Ok, here's a plan.

If everyone agrees (aka don't do this yet), molest (nice avatar) can check The Countess's win condition as true or false.

If it comes up false, we lynch The Countess with someone who just needs the married people to leave regardless of whether it's with them or not. If The Countess flips town, Molest is scum. If not, we figure out what to do with Molest later.

If it comes up true, we lynch Molest with the same conditions on a pair. If Molest is town, The Countess is confirmed. If not, we figure out what to do with The Countess tomorrow.

Sound good?

There's faulty logic here too. If Mole is scum, he should know who else is scum. If we ask (scum) mole to investigate a towny, he could could lie to us if the pair is town and win the game if we lynch them. If he betrays his partner and tells us someone is scum, he will look better in our eyes and likely make it till the end of the game on that one action still winning it for his team...

If Mole is town, then that's a whole nother story... but I'm not sure how much faith I have in that...

Good point.

[don_johnson]

don - Why is it so convenient?

isn't it obvious?

[molestargazer]

If I'm asking you, then evidently not to me. Please just answer the question.

[don_johnson]

If I'm asking you, then evidently not to me. Please just answer the question.

because it would be a wonderful fake claim to set up a scum win.

[Kmd4390]

Ok, I don't believe Molest and I think there's a good chance Nightfall, who is paired with him, is the other scum.

Vote Molest

[Jahudo]

Anybody know if mole star uses gambits like this? It would seem kind of an unnecessary risk to fake claim if he wasn't in danger of a lynch.

[molestargazer]

I can't imagine you'd get much of a meta on me. But you can always try.
No matter, I'm telling the truth.

Kmd - how about trying to let me help the town before killing me? At least then when you're proven wrong you can use the information I gathered.

[Kmd4390]

Molest, how do you plan to use your ability?

[molestargazer]

Investigate someone's roleclaim and see whether they're lying or not.

[don_johnson]

hm. kind of odd that you would vote him before even thinking about using his alleged ability. it makes me a bit more comfortable with my vote on countess, who is paired with you. i wonder if we may already have scum sitting together.

[Kmd4390]

Investigate someone's roleclaim and see whether they're lying or not.

Who do you plan to check?

[Jahudo]

I know who I want him to check but I also want to see his reasoning.

[molestargazer]

After a quick re-read, nothing obscenely obvious comes to light about how I should investigate.

I personally would like to investigate Nightfall, for not much more than the case I made on him a coupla pages back and the hop onto the non-believer 'wagon' along with Kmd and Don - however, since he's on my table, that could cause problems - if I find town, I'm sure you guys would just say I was saying that to save my own ass, lynch me, then it's game over.

So, the other 2 tables consist of...

don_johnson is with Jahudo
The Countess is with kmd

Jahudo and Kmd are both fairly pro-town players in my mind. Which brings us to a problem.
We have either Don Johnson or The Countess whom I should investigate. I'd be willing to investigate The Countess's claim/win condition. If she's lying, we lynch. If not, we lynch Don.

Thoughts?

[Kmd4390]

Unvote

I know which I think is more likely scum between the two, but it really doesn't matter which you check. I'll withold my opinion for after you have your results.