The Werewolves of Millers Hollow (Game Over)

[DizzyIzzyB13]

I think BM's post shows why scum might want Yos alive at this point - because of the WIFOMy stuff that they could used when building a case against him as a mslynch to save one of their own later.

[Mufasa]

@ Yos I voted him into L-1 because we had all agreed that Dr. Pepper was the one to be lynched.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

So, what you're saying is...

Baaaa

Correct?

[Yosarian2]

@ Yos I voted him into L-1 because we had all agreed that Dr. Pepper was the one to be lynched.

That's not how it works, you know.

We "all agree" to lynch someone when a majority of people think he's scum and vote for him. There were a few vocal people pushing for his lynch, for reasons that were pretty clearly wrong IMHO, but that's hardly the same as "we all agreeed" on anything.

Did you think he was scum when you voted for him?

Also, answer my other question, please. Do you still think it would be good for the town if you were lynched today, Mufasa?

[Juls]

Inching closer to being caught up but trying to keep up with current topics too.

I concur. In fact, it's one of my most trusted scumtells. Vote: Kaiveran.

Can you give me some examples where you saw scum do this or where you did this yourself as scum? I know I brought it up but if it is one of your most trusted scumtells surely you won't have trouble providing me an example or two?

[Gorrad]

Absolutely! UROE in Random Mafia 3, I led an attack on him, lynching D1 based on this tell. It also caught my scumpartner, Seraphim in Bleach Mafia when I brought it up there (though I brought it up on a townie, to be fair).

The basic premise behind it is that it gains nothing for town by being said, and has a chance of outting power roles.

[Battle Mage]

I think BM's post shows why scum might want Yos alive at this point - because of the WIFOMy stuff that they could used when building a case against him as a mslynch to save one of their own later.

I dont see people jumping at the chance to push a case on Yos today. The only person who did so, was me. If you want to consider it a scumtell, fair enough, but it's only scummy on the proviso that Yos is town.

Assuming im town, your logic is dead in the water.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I think BM's post shows why scum might want Yos alive at this point - because of the WIFOMy stuff that they could used when building a case against him as a mslynch to save one of their own later.

I dont see people jumping at the chance to push a case on Yos today. The only person who did so, was me. If you want to consider it a scumtell, fair enough, but it's only scummy on the proviso that Yos is town.

Assuming im town, your logic is dead in the water.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I think BM's post shows why scum might want Yos alive at this point - because of the WIFOMy stuff that they could used when building a case against him as a mslynch to save one of their own later.

I dont see people jumping at the chance to push a case on Yos today. The only person who did so, was me. If you want to consider it a scumtell, fair enough, but it's only scummy on the proviso that Yos is town.

Assuming im town, your logic is dead in the water.

BM

[Battle Mage]

oh darn....

Mod, please feel free to delete any 2 of the above post. Preferably not all 3.

BM

[zwetschenwasser]

IT WAS INTENTIONAL!

[Haschel Cedricson]

Dramonic replaces Firestarter.

[zwetschenwasser]

Hi dramonic. Are you scum?

[dramonic]

Hello people, I will post my opinion once I'm done reading the thread :3

@zwet: I don't know. Are you?

[zwetschenwasser]

Unvote; Vote: dramonic

[MikeSC6]

Welcome dramonic!

In people's experience, are scumtells generally accurate? Dr Pepper was lynched partly on the back of a "scumtell" that he referred to himself in the third person I think it was.

[Battle Mage]

I would say your case is

crap

wifom, but you already admitted it.

RULE BREACH! RULE BREACH! lol

Battle Mage is just highlighting this for the benefit of the

Mod

.

BM

[DizzyIzzyB13]

vote: Darmonic

You don't know if you're scum or not? That's a sure sign you're scum.

[dramonic]

Of course I know I'm not. But even then, you'll tell me I'm lying and vote me anyways.

It's one of those question without an answer. I say yes you vote me, I say know you scream lies and vote me.

But no, I swear I'm not.

Oh noes, I can't swear, no swearing for the day XD

[Battle Mage]

In short, my hypothesis is that experienced players would have killed Yos2 already, based on his reputation. Those who arent aware of his reputation, are bound to kill a townie with a double vote in order to give themselves the chance of getting it themselves.

As to your first sentance; take a look at, say, my last 5 or 6 games as town. How many of them was I nightkilled by the scum on night 1 or night 2? I think the answer is 1; the only game that's at all recent where I was town and was nightkilled by the scum night 1 or night 2 was Mafia Lolwat, and that was just because I was attacking both members of the mafia that day.

Ok, it's time for me come clean. I'm afraid...i'm not the superfan you might have thought i was.
If you could link me to those games, i'll gladly check them out.

You really can't say "Yos being alive day 3 is a scumtell", because I really don't get nightkilled by scum much more often then random.

maybe you're right. But given the player list, and the mechanic of the game, i can see that most mafia combinations here would have killed you already. Especially as you aren't really coming across as scummy. You aren't what id consider 'lynchable' based on your actual play. Likewise, you havent even been wagonning like crazy, which would be a possible incentive for mafia to keep you alive.

Yeh, there's no case to lynch you that doesnt include a logical fallacy, but every gut instinct in me is saying that you should be lynched today. Sorry.

As for your second part; meh. If scum had wanted one of their own to be mayor, they could have done it day 1.

I guess if you consider where my vote is, you'll recognise that my hypothesis is that scum DID do this Day 1.

I mean, I didn't even vote for MYSELF, I really didn't even especally want to be mayor this game, it just kind of happened. If the scum had wanted to gently nudge the town into electing one of their own mayor on day 1, they could have. They didn't, probably because they don't want to be anywhere near as high profile as that.

It's ok, i can see why you wouldnt wanna be mayor. The longevity of such a post in early game is not looking great. Tbh, i think you're doing a pretty good job. But, let's face it, if you were town, you'd be happy to be mayor for one simple reason-it means that:

A. Town has control of the double vote.
B. You get to choose a successor in the event of your death, so you can use your intuition to keep the mayorship out of the hands of scum.

I think half-decent scum are far less likely to WANT to be mayor, because survival to endgame is virtually impossible, and it thrusts them into the limelight early on. More importantly, it means they have to choose a successor, and they have to either concede the mayorship to a townie, or implicate another scumbuddy, starting the cycle again.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Of course I know I'm not. But even then, you'll tell me I'm lying and vote me anyways.

It's one of those question without an answer. I say yes you vote me, I say know you scream lies and vote me.

But no, I swear I'm not.

Oh noes, I can't swear, no swearing for the day XD

FoS: Dramonic

what a kerfuffle!
If Yos wasnt the play today, i'd be on your case too. You seem pretty paranoid for a fresh-face...

BM

[Jahudo]

I don't think Yos is acting scummy so I see no point in lynching him. People have different ideas about who to kill when they are scum.

Absolutely! UROE in Random Mafia 3, I led an attack on him, lynching D1 based on this tell. It also caught my scumpartner, Seraphim in Bleach Mafia when I brought it up there (though I brought it up on a townie, to be fair).

The basic premise behind it is that it gains nothing for town by being said, and has a chance of outting power roles.

Are you still talking about a player that reacts to the outcome of a lynch or night (ie: cheering at a dead scum or feeling remorse over a dead town)? Was Random Mafia 3 a night start, because otherwise how would someone commit that tell?

My own opinion is that scum will sometimes attempt genuine surprise over a flip but I've seen townies do it too, either by getting caught up in the game to forget that it is a tell or because they don't know that it's a tell. It's a minor point by itself but isn't enough for me to feel confident in a vote.

In people's experience, are scumtells generally accurate? Dr Pepper was lynched partly on the back of a "scumtell" that he referred to himself in the third person I think it was.

What particular scumtells are you talking about? Do YOU think they are good indicators of scum behavior?

What do you mean, "Dr. Pepper referred to himself in the third person"?

[dramonic]

Paranoid, I wouldn't go ahead and see that. I think it's a pretty normal reaction to being voted twice in an hour interval.

That,, and I wanted you to see I'm alive and replacing already. Once I'm done reading the thread I'll post a better defense/attack on others

[Mufasa]

@ Yos No I believe lynching me today would not best help the town.

[Kaiveran]

Don't have time to post today. Tomorrow for sure. Just so people doesn't worry about inactivity and such.