The Werewolves of Millers Hollow (Game Over)

[Mufasa]

Its been a good 24 hours

Unvote Vote Mr Flay

[Mufasa]

^^ wrong thread

[Gorrad]

people who refer to themselves in third person during a case on somebody else are more likely scum in my experience.

Link games that show as such?

[zwetschenwasser]

No.

[Gorrad]

Thought as much.

[zwetschenwasser]

Good.

[Battle Mage]

Its been a good 24 hours

Unvote Vote Mr Flay

lmao. I concur

Vote: Mr Flay

BM

*disclaimer-im a bit high atm. lol

[zwetschenwasser]

Um... what?

[millar13]

Vote: Mr Flay

[Battle Mage]

With 3 flays, thats a lynch. Mr Flay was the humble town paedophile. It is now BACK TO REALITY.

BM

[Ztife]

I've gathered alotttttttttt of berries, gonna make some jam, do a re-read and join the party tonight.

[zwetschenwasser]

What the heckuva is going on?

[Jahudo]

@Mufasa:

I believe that my action won't do the maximium amount of help if I am to be killed today but we'll see.

Is there a reason you can tell us why your action won't do the maximum amount of help? If so, what is it?

When do you think you should get lynched, if ever?

I feel that you have put this attention on yourself to explain why you shouldn't be the lynch today. If you have a decent enough reason, you'd still need to do some actual scumhunting in my mind to be pro-town. I haven't seen that yet.

[NabakovNabakov]

I really don't understand what BM is doing in his Yoscase. Quotes like this:

2. Obviously, after Mafia 24, you wanted to play in the exact opposite way in order to look protown. That means not trying at all hard to get elected, and indeed, fighting hard to get someone ELSE elected.

Are such pure WIFOM that I can't help but see them as self-conscious. But what's the point?

@Ztife: OK, you're back, but where exactly did you go for an RL week? Smells like intentional lurking.

FOS

Reposting this:

-For those ladies who aren't up to speed, Mufasa made the claim yesterday (which he now appears to be retracting *sigh*) that your woodland gathering had some bearing on an event triggered by his lynch. Did you get any flavor from the mod regarding your absence?

Mufasa's whole claim is flashing "bad fakeclaim" to me, and I'm really reluctant to let him get away with it for another day. However, the proliferation of roles with lynch based mechanics in this game (Pepper's vengence kill, the VI fiasco, etc.) means I at least want him to give some answers to the questions about his role before taking any action.

MOD: Can we get Prods on Knox and Shinnen_no_me?

[zwetschenwasser]

What was mufasa's claim again?

[DizzyIzzyB13]

He didn't claim so much as say he had a pro-town ability that'll trigger when he dies, and he can't self-hammer or it won't work.

He has yet to substantiate.

[NabakovNabakov]

What was mufasa's claim again?

He hasn't named a specific role, but here was what he said about it so far:
-He has a "pro-town ability"
-Said ability activates on lynch, but not in the event of a self-hammer
-It is somehow dependent on the outcome of yesterday's "woodland gathering"
-The town would be best off lynching him today
-The town would be best off lynching him tomorrow

[zwetschenwasser]

So what's the problem? If Mafia think he's a threat we get a free NK of a suspicious player, or we lynch him tomorrow and get a cool ability.

[Jahudo]

I think Mufasa should confirm what he's only kind of explained. I'm not sure he ever said tomorrow was the best time for his role to trigger. He also didn't specifically say that the woodland gathering event was good for his role; it was just something that happened day 2 (like it could have just been because it was day 2).

[DizzyIzzyB13]

So what's the problem? If Mafia think he's a threat we get a free NK of a suspicious player, or we lynch him tomorrow and get a cool ability.

That was the argument that saved him yesterday. He said then it would be better if he was lynched today. Now he's changed his mind.

[NabakovNabakov]

I think Mufasa should confirm what he's only kind of explained. I'm not sure he ever said tomorrow was the best time for his role to trigger. He also didn't specifically say that the woodland gathering event was good for his role; it was just something that happened day 2 (like it could have just been because it was day 2).

Well, there is this:

I will tell you this much, it is in the towns best interest to lynch me on the next day.

As to the woodland gathering bit, the fact that there has been no followup from the Mod, the ladies, or Mufasa himself is actually what makes me the most suspicious of the claim. It was a substantiating detail of his claim that has failed to materialize, so unless we're dealing with some [illegitmately-conceived]modding (idk, that VI role was fairly nasty), it seems to me like overreaching on a fakeclaim.

[dramonic]

so... much... text... @_@

[Juls]

Ugh...Finally survived the reread of D2. That was difficult. There is nothing that kills motivation to participate than sitting out an entire day. It's such a bad event for a game that can last months. Sitting around a table is one thing but that was insane.

OK...first things first. I have the game of Werewolves of Millers Hollow and the expansion pack, New Moon. The mod may have taken some liberties but here are the actual roles that have been revealed as they are stated in the game:

Village Idiot

If the village votes against her, the village idiot turns over her card. At this instant, the Villagers comprehend their error and they immediately pardon her. From now on, she continues to play, but she has lost the right to vote. What would the vote of an idiot be worth? She therfore does not get to vote again in this game.
Notes:
If the werewolves devour her, the Village Idiot is eliminated.
If the idiot was the sheriff of the village, the role of sheriff is lost for good.
If the hunter shoots the idiot, the idiot is eliminated.

Seer

a.k.a The Fortune Teller (I think?)
Each night, the fortune teller can see the true personality of one player. The fortune teller chooses which player this will be. The fortune teller must help the other Townsfolk to correctly identify the Werewolves without discovered out by the Werewolves, thus making him/herself a target.

Hunter

If the hunter is killed by the Werewolves or lynched by the Townsfolk, he/she can retailiate. With his/her dying breath, the hunter will shoot, thus eliminating any one other player.

Witch

This townsperson knows how to make two very powerful potions. The first is a healing potion, whcih can be used to resurrect a player that is killed by a werewolf. The second is a potion used during the night to eliminate one player. Each potion can only be used once per game. The Witch can use either potion on him/herself if he/she wishes. The Witch can, if he/she wishes use the poison at night and then follow that up with the healing potion the next day. If this character is used you can have an evening where either nobody dies or where one player dies or where 2 players die.

The rest are obvious (Werewolf, Simple Villager). Other possible roles are:
Thief, Cupido, Little Girl, Sheriff, The Elder, The Scapegoat, The Defender, The Piper. I can define others if requested but I am sure they are on the internet somewhere.

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Now, coming into D3, my general comments on D2 is that I am suspicious of Ztife, Dramonic (via Firestarter), and mostly Kaiveran. Ztife mostly from D1 with his mayor plan (will only vote with 1/4 votes as mayor, wanting to be mayor, and his joke votes after conversation was well underway). Dramonic/Firestarter partially stems from D1 conversation (wanting a scum mayor) and lurking out D2. But mostly, Kaiveran for his interactions with Percy. One particular post that stood out to me is Percy's iso 28 where he lobs some softballs Kaiveran's way. He was ruthless up to that point.

Mufasa's actions on D2 were I get the feeling unnecessary (for soft claiming) but I got the impression he was town.

Now on to D3....

Kaiveran 936: Makes comment about catching a wolf. I see this as a scumtell for congratulating town. I don't like it.

MikeSC6 943: I wish I could put my finger on exactly what is off about MikeSC6 to me but I have consistently got a scum vibe from him. I really hate I can't present harder evidence. Here were my notes on him from D1 (and a little form D2)

strange vibe from him. Post 97. Is he posting just to post?
Fonz pointed out that MikeSC voted with long explanation which seems scummy.
-Another strange vibe from him regarding Xtoxm. Says "so he likes to false claim, why?)
-611 defending jahudo, called V.I.

Post 943 feels sorta the same. The "maybe this", "maybe that" is troublesome. It's like planting seeds without really taking charge of his own opinions. I dunno.

FoS: MikeSC6

...can't really put my finger on it but maybe someone else can help me with that.

Battle Mage 946: Kinda weak reason to vote Yos. I have seen scum go several routes with their night kills before. Yos as mayor and an experienced target would also be a target for protection so scum could choose elsewhere for a while. Yos could be off with his scum hunting and scum may want to keep him around for this reason. There are many reasons yos might survive the night.

dramonic 963: you don't know if you are scum?

FoS: dramonic

Nervous much?

MikeSC6 965: again...what are we gaining from this post? Feels like posting to be posting.

Battle Mage 966: why would you want someone to lose their vote? Do you think zwets is scum? Pointing this out to the mod doesn't sit well to me.

Jahudo 971 Regarding the scum tell of cheering town: It wasn't that he was surprised it was that he wanted to seem townie with the remark. Where have you seen town do this. Examples?

Mufasa 973: why the change of tone...now you don't want to be lynched? I kinda want a claim now.

Nabakov Post 978: Are you a piper that was tryin to breadcrumb with your bard comment. If Piper were town I wouldn't bring it up but Piper is 3rd party. Actually...yeah...I have reason to believe you are because I got word that myself and two others were dancing last night.

Unvote, Vote:Nabakov

(will happily place it back on Kaiveran though)

Dizzy 992: Now you are pointing out cursing? Still don't like it but I feel you are town at this point. Do you think BM is scum?

BM 999: Again pointing out swearing? Seriously, BM is moving up my scumlist!!!!

BM 1011: I can't believe I agree with zwets on something. Let the mod do his job, you scum hunt k?

Kaiveran 1017: Agreeing with MikeSC6 about wanting to lynch mufasa doesn't sit well with me as I already feel uncomforable about Mike and Kaiveran both. Nabakov can wait.

Unvote, Vote: Kaiveran

Dramonic post 1046: Useless

Tl;dr

-Can't place my finger on what I don't like about Mike but I have a bad vibe from him.
-Kaiveran is uber scummy and I would like to lynch him yesterday.
-Dizzy and BM revealing to the mod cursing is not completely scummy but I think it is antitown.
-I think Nabakov is Piper which is a role that charms people at night until all living people are charmed at which point he/she wins the game. I was dancing last night with two other people.
-Dramonic is high on my scumlist.
-Mufasa, full claim please. Let the town decide the benefits of your role.

Yay! I made it!!! Juls is back!!!!

[Kaiveran]

Damn it.

Mod, I will need replacing.

I apologize to everyone (especially to the person who needs to replace me), but I cannot maintain proper levels of activity in this game.

[MikeSC6]

strange vibe from him. Post 97. Is he posting just to post?

Post 943 feels sorta the same. The "maybe this", "maybe that" is troublesome. It's like planting seeds without really taking charge of his own opinions. I dunno. FoS: MikeSC6...can't really put my finger on it but maybe someone else can help me with that.

MikeSC6 965: again...what are we gaining from this post? Feels like posting to be posting.

@Juls: Awesome that you read through day 2, I struggled myself what with the Dingo vs Pepper saga, and I was there! Any replacements are gonna have a hard time of things.

I disagree though, I haven't ever been posting just to post- the posts you've mentioned have been part of wider discussions, or sparks to wider discussions. I'm concerned both with stating where I stand on issues, but also trying to prompt opinions from others.

And I admit in places I have made liberal use of "maybes" and "ifs"- but I think that's the nature of this game more than anything, what with the early uncertainty over Xtoxm and so on. Who could have deduced that Xtoxm was really a Village Idiot? How can we deduce what Mufasa is? I think I've stated my solid opinions openly- that I think Mufasa is scummy, that I thought the Percy/Dingo/Dr.Pepper thing was a misunderstanding, and so on- but the opinions I have that are based on mechanics that we haven't yet uncovered, like what would be the best way to deal with unknown roles like Xtoxm and Mufasa, that's where I've been cautious.

Also, the "posting just to post" accusation, I think there are plenty of people who could be accused of that with more subtance, but haven't (like around that bit with the spambot)- but I also don't think it's useful to pick out individual posts as being "posting just to post", when the person has been contributing and playing the game in the vast majority of their posts.

Fonz pointed out that MikeSC voted with long explanation which seems scummy.

I still don't really understand why long explanations are scummy in themselves- if the posts were filled with falsities and fallacies, then sure, but if the only complaint is that the post was too long, I don't know what I can say. I suppose I'll have to start keeping opinions back so I can sprinkle them over several posts, thus avoiding both problems of having posts with no new firm opinions and too long explanations.

-Another strange vibe from him regarding Xtoxm. Says "so he likes to false claim, why?)

I can't remember what this one's in reference to- could I have a post number or just a quick summary of the issue?

-611 defending jahudo, called V.I.

I thought that the accusation against Jahudo wasn't supported by what Jahudo had wrote. I don't know what you mean by "called Village Idiot", or why it would be scummy though?