MKM II GAME OVER

[zwetschenwasser]

I think gorrad may be independent third party.

What?

[ZEEnon]

Mini Bowser does

Mini Bowser =/= Third party.

[millar13]

or could be in Bowser's Army...considering Bowser is meant to be dead. Just an idea

[ZEEnon]

Bowser's Army =/= Third party.

[AceMarksman]

@gorrad: IIRC, wario can use fire. Or, you could be making your kill flavor up.

[Gorrad]

@gorrad: IIRC, wario can use fire. Or, you could be making your kill flavor up.

Wario, in no games I recall, uses fire. He burps, has flatulence, bites, bodyslams, etc. And if I didn't kill with fire, why in the nine rings would I have been trying to stop a zwet lynch? And don't you DARE say it's me WIFOMing. I'd rather be lynched as scum than do a gambit that allows zwet to not be killed.

[semioldguy]

"Bah! Go Bowser's Army!"

[ortolan]

Gorrad: did you target millar with fire? and he didn't die?

Thankyou for the "confirmation" You are correct about the details.

[Lawrencelot]

Lawrencelot, please consider shortening the nightphase.

Last night's length was my fault. I was V/LA. See sig.

As of post 1557, a lynch has been reached.

Visible Votecount

-millar13 (6): ortolan, Moratorium, Empking, AceMarksman, sirdanilot, Gorrad

Not voting (7): killa seven, ZEEnon, Kast, Riceballtail, zwetschenwasser, caf19, millar13

With 13 alive it takes 7 real votes to lynch.

[Lawrencelot]

Real Votecount

-millar13 (7): ortolan, Moratorium, Empking, AceMarksman, sirdanilot, Gorrad

Not voting (0): killa seven, ZEEnon, Kast, Riceballtail, zwetschenwasser, caf19, millar13

With 13 alive it takes 7 real votes to lynch.

The people in Bowser's Castle woke up, looked at the victims, and lynched millar13. Then they went to sleep again. Last day and last night must have been exhausting.

millar13, Boo (Bowser's Army), was lynched Day 3.

It is now Night 3. Please send in your night actions

before

Friday.

[Lawrencelot]

Although everybody should have gotten a good night's rest now, the mood of the people in Bowser's Castle wasn't improving, as everybody knows they could be the next victim of either the mob or the mysteries of the night. This morning, two dead bodies were found, belonging to zwetschenwasser and Moratorium. They were both part of Bowser's Army.

zwetschenwasser, Buzzy Beetle (Bowser's Army), was killed Night 3.
Moratorium, Red Koopa (Bowser's Army), was killed Night 3.

It is now Day 4. With 10 alive it takes 6 real votes to lynch.

[Gorrad]

Vote: Riceballtail

Hey Riceball, what do you think about the game? You've lurked so hard, I can barely tell.

[Gorrad]

V/LA until Sunday.

[ortolan]

I am increasingly curious about your role Gorrad

[Gorrad]

Oh! One last thing: I protected Ortolan last night.

[ortolan]

how come that kill on millar never went through?

[Moratorium]

Fun game, thanks Law. Bye.

[Kast]

@Gorrad-
To be clear, you are claiming investigation (name, affiliation, coins, items), self-targeting doctor (possibly with limitations), vigilante (by fire), AND the ability to bring new BA players into the game.

-Can you explain the discrepancy in you claiming to have sent a kill attempt at a vanilla townie (millar), but that vanilla townie surviving?

-How does your investigation work in light of the possibility of players trading coins/items and changing the amounts of coins/items that they have?

Also going to add since it was mentioned previously, but Wario has been known to use fire. In his first appearance, he battles Mario in "Fire Wario" mode (similar to Mario using a fire flower).

Arguably his use of bombs/explosions could be argued through flavor as fire.

[sirdanilot]

Sir, go die in a corner. I'm serious, do it.

I had trouble deleting a VERY snide line here.

@Sirdanilot-
What content are you looking for from Caf? Only Gorrad and Ort posted reasons for their millar votes, what makes Caf's vote different from the other 5?

NO. NOT REASONS FOR THE VOTE! Just CONTENT! Content in GENERAL! Look at how I posted content, and mostly everyone BEFORE ME! AND HE DIDN'T! seriously how is this hard to understand?

Vote millar

^scum here

not for the opportunistic hammer, but for the lack of content.

Fail. Do I really need to explain my reasons for voting millar?

my god you scumbag
NO
just CONTENT. You CANT just pop in and say 'vote: the person we were all going to vote anyway' and be done with it! Nothing to say about yesterday? About who else you suspect? NO! BECAUSE YOU ARE SCUM!

That said, he wasn't scum... I honestly didn't suspect millar would be town. So. There you have it. GO ANALYZE THIS PEOPLE! If I find the time I will contribute my share. Don't just move on, because this is THE way we are going to find the rest of the scumbags. Like 'caf' for example.

[Kast]

@Sirdanilot-
Empking did the same thing. Caf has contributed more on the whole than Empking. I see the point you were trying to make, but I don't see why you single out Caf. I think you are tunnelling.

And yes, Millar turned out to be town. Which means he almost definitely actually was a vanilla townie.

I think everyone probably thought Millar was scum.

@Gorrad-
I find you most suspicious at the moment. Your entire claim is unbelievable. Specifically the claim to have tried to kill Millar. The only thing I can see that makes sense is that you are third party (WW) and strongly believed Millar was scum. By claiming an attempted kill on Millar, you might gain some townpoints when Millar flipped scum.

VOTE: Gorrad

My vote counts for 2 today. I do not know why my vote keeps changing.

@Votes-
I am guessing that there is a townie who is affecting the number of votes each player has (possibly redistributing votes?). Possibly a non-player controlled effect is in play that changes or redistributes votes.

From the vote count on Day 3, it looks like at least one person had a number of real votes that was greater than 1. From Day 2, it seems like some combination of players had 0 or negative votes.

@Lynch/trade-
One thing that we have not done-before lynching a player, we should discuss that player trading away any coins/items. As things are, scum are probably the only ones benefiting from the ability to trade.

While the possibility of item/coin-stealing role exists, the town is losing out on resources and potential ability to avoid a mislynch. Also, I was wondering about that and asked Law, and he confirmed that in the previous game, if the coin stealing roles achieved the number of coins for their win condition, they would leave the game and the other players would continue playing it out; if there are such roles, I'd imagine they work the same way.

[caf19]

sirdan, I really don't understand the case you are pushing on me at all. It's like you just decided I'm scum and then started tunnelling with random points on me regardless of their relevance... yesterday was a non-day where we had basically already decided to lynch millar. I don't see what tangible difference a couple of extra sentences would have made.

Anyway, all my prior suspects are dead. So, um, yeah, I'll have to rethink stuff.

Hey Riceball, what do you think about the game? You've lurked so hard, I can barely tell.

This also applies to killa seven. k7, you haven't mentioned anyone except zwet (who flipped town now) in forever. Get to postin'.

[sirdanilot]

Kast the problem with gorrad is that I've been in the exact situation with him before. A lawrencelot game (grimmmaffia) and gorrad claiming an improbable role where everyone thought he was third party (narrator) and he turned out town with dramatic concequences (after his lynch the game became non reveal... yet the town managed to win) so I am very wary. but maybe I should expect past games in this matter. Gorrad doesn't seem overly scummy playstyle wise though.

Ok empking did the same thing as caf. Empking has been doing that the whole game and I think he has a meta for it. Does that make it less bad? No. But the thing is caf stood out to me because of this. Why didn't he have anything to say? And the same can go for empking as far as I'm concerned. And RBT and zeenon and k7. Wow there are so many useless players in this game.

[sirdanilot]

Has k7 even posted at all the last 10 pages?

mod please replace out k7 while we can before he posts a useless post and denies us the right to replace him out

[Kast]

@Sirdanilot-
Can you link to that game?

I don't see any roles in MKM1 that would fall into anywhere near as ridiculously broken a role as Gorrad has claimed. Also, to the best of my knowledge, Law does not appear to be a mod whose normal MO is to introduce ridiculously unbalanced roles.

@Gorrad-
Why didn't you investigate Sirdanilot?

You made a lot of unnecessary and unprompted claims, one of which was a strong implication that you would not be able to protect yourself.

Why did you choose to claim that you would probably die last night?

[sirdanilot]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9646

Look at how utterly bad the 'narrator' role is. I happen to know that lawrencelot usually makes games that are arguably slightly scum balanced, so maybe he decided to overcompensate? Still, I do agree that Gorrad's role might just be a slight bit

too

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