The Werewolves of Millers Hollow (Game Over)

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Yes. I got the same message both nights, first saying it was just me and Barrylocke, the second to say that it was me, Barrylocke abnd Juls.

[zwetschenwasser]

The name doesn't match the abilities. Impressionists aren't people who assume other forms, as they are the ones who try to impress onto others.

[Juls]

An impressionist takes on the personality of someone else so I can see that being a name but I don't see anything similar to this in the card game. I am having a hard time voting on this reason though. I guess questions to everyone:

1) could this be a scum role disguised as a town role?
2) could this be a third party role?
3) is it better to look elsewhere today and try to verify his claim?

[zwetschenwasser]

1)yes
2)no
3)no

[Battle Mage]

Request Replacement

Exams will prohibit me from staying active in more than 1 game atm

Don't let Yos survive to endgame. Srsly. Thanks for the game guys!

BM

[MikeSC6]

1) It could be- werewolves are shapeshifters, these mechanics would fit with some kind of shapeshifter role I guess.

2) No, I don't think so- Jailkeep and doctor would be of little use to a third-party, I shouldn't think.

3) We certainly could wait and identify, if we waited for his vigilante day. If he's town, we'll get power roles. If he's town and dies during the night, we'll avoid a random death and will have avoided a miss-lynch. If his role is true (or semi-true, if he is a power role), but his alignment isn't- that could pose a problem. If he's scum, but lying about being a powerrole, then we could put him off for lynching until we've had an opportunity to test his claim without too much damage being done.

I'm no longer so certain that Mufasa's scum, I found the claim believable. This is something we can test so yeah, I think we should do that.

[Yosarian2]

I'm no longer so certain that Mufasa's scum, I found the claim believable.

Which part of it? The part that he's claiming to be another hunter, even though 2 hunters seems kind of crazy? The part that someone else randomally dies when he does? The part where he has a whole series of roles he gets that somehow gets interfered with by random game actions? The part where he's claiming to have the exact same role as the guy we lynched yesterday except with a lot more bells and whistles added on randomally? The part where the flavor of his role dosn't seem to make sense? Or the part where his claim today seems to be mostly incompatable with his semi-claims from previous days?

[MikeSC6]

I'm no longer so certain that Mufasa's scum, I found the claim believable.

Which part of it? The part that he's claiming to be another hunter, even though 2 hunters seems kind of crazy? The part that someone else randomally dies when he does? The part where he has a whole series of roles he gets that somehow gets interfered with by random game actions? The part where he's claiming to have the exact same role as the guy we lynched yesterday except with a lot more bells and whistles added on randomally? The part where the flavor of his role dosn't seem to make sense? Or the part where his claim today seems to be mostly incompatable with his semi-claims from previous days?

Mostly because it's a claim we can test. It may buy him some time, but if he's lying it's a matter of a couple of days before we can get a pretty good idea either way, if we direct him to vig someone in particular. Although, thinking it through, scum could easily ruin that for us with tactical nightkills/no-kills.

If he's lying, I would have expected him to add some kind of cop power among his myriad powers to explain away one of the biggest suspicions on him (saying Battle Mage "needs to be lynched" without evidence). That's what I was expecting anyway.

Although I still don't fully understand why one of your powers was skipped, Mufasa?

[Jahudo]

An impressionist takes on the personality of someone else so I can see that being a name but I don't see anything similar to this in the card game. I am having a hard time voting on this reason though. I guess questions to everyone:

1) could this be a scum role disguised as a town role?
2) could this be a third party role?
3) is it better to look elsewhere today and try to verify his claim?

I read somewhere that Monet could perform a good Degas impression.

1. If he's a werewolf then he's probably the equivalent of a Mafia Doctor or Mafia Roleblocker. His being scum already ensures he can be tested as a killer.

2. I can believe there being 2-3 third party players but any more would seem too hard to balance. We know there's a Piper and it sounds like the lovers could become third party players. I'm not sure another party would balance well.

3. Wouldn't any test require a power role to out themselves? Like, to say their weren't blocked or they got a guilty investigation? I'd rather not use him to direct kills and if he's scum a "successful protect" doesn't mean anything.

[NabakovNabakov]

Yes. I got the same message both nights, first saying it was just me and Barrylocke, the second to say that it was me, Barrylocke abnd Juls.

Huh, I didn't get a PM last night, so I'll just assume it was a mod error.

1) This exact role? I doubt it. It might be possible for a scum roleblocker to simulate that role (up until the point he's lynched, after which everything is moot), but that would still mean he's fakeclaiming.
2) Similar story, though I don't know of any third-party roles with roleblocking abilities.
3) The wait-and-see strategy is dubious. Without outing a powerrole (who's ability is also confirmable), we would have to wait for the Vig role to come around again, which would push back any confirmation four whole days.

All in all, I find this role simply too implausible to see it as anything but a complete fakeclaim, and considering that Mufasa has already passed up any opportunity to recant as a lying townie, I'm going to

Vote: Mufasa

[Juls]

Yeah, I think the general concensus is that it's not plausible. I am willing to vote...but I am not sure where we are?

mod: vote count please

[MikeSC6]

Disregard my earlier wish to test him on his vigilante day- scum wouldn't just be able to interfere with it, they'd be able to completely ruin it (either way). If he's telling the truth, they could no-kill. If he's lying they could kill the target. Either one would appear to be the same, and so wouldn't help us at all.

Is there any way we could test his jailkeeper claim? By the looks of things, that's tonight. Does "dancing" count as a night action that can be jailkeep'd?

[MikeSC6]

Ah, no- I thought his "saving Jahudo" thing was in reference to him being a doctor yesterday, rather than a jailkeeper.

[zwetschenwasser]

Ah, no- I thought his "saving Jahudo" thing was in reference to him being a doctor yesterday, rather than a jailkeeper.

QFT

[Juls]

Looks like our mod has abandoned us for an entire week again. I am very close to replacing out because I don't want to waste time on a game if it's just going to get abandoned.

[Haschel Cedricson]

(2)Yosarian2: Battle Mage, Mufasa
(2)Kaiveran: Gorrad, Juls
(2)dramonic: zwetschenwasser DizzyIzzyB13
(1)Mufasa: NabakovNabakov
(0)Battle Mage:
(0)Jahudo:
(0)Juls:
(0)DizzyIzzyB13:
()MikeSC6:
()NabakovNabakov:
()Gorrad:
()knox:
()Shinnen_no_Me:
()Ztife:
()zwetschenwasser:

Not voting: dramonic, Juls, Shinnen_no_Me, Kaiveran, Ztife, Yosarian2, knox, Jahudo, MikeSC6

I'm terribly sorry about the inactivity; real life has been a bitch lately and I haven't had a lot of time.

Shinnen_no_Me and knox, will be replaced. I see that BM and Kaiveran have requested replacement too.

My metric for determining if something counts as swearing is "Would my mom make a disapproving face if she heard me say it?" Under that parameter, i haven't seen anything that qualifies.

To answer the question about people who lose votes lowering the lynch threshold: yes, it does. If everybody swore at the same time, there would be a no-lynch.

[Gorrad]

Whoever hammers, do so by swearing : D

[Jahudo]

I'm not sure that vote count is accurate since it still lists dead people.

I say we get rid of Mufasa now because he's likely scum, but just in case he is telling the truth we should direct his vengeful kill by deciding who else is scummy and getting his input on who he'd kill. If he's town I don't think he'd be protected but theres a good chance scum want him dead if they think he's telling the full truth.

Vote: Mufasa

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Ugh.

vote: Mufasa

[dramonic]

I'm not sure that vote count is accurate since it still lists dead people.

I say we get rid of Mufasa now because he's likely scum, but just in case he is telling the truth we should direct his vengeful kill by deciding who else is scummy and getting his input on who he'd kill. If he's town I don't think he'd be protected but theres a good chance scum want him dead if they think he's telling the full truth.

QFT

Vote: Mufasa

[zwetschenwasser]

YES I CAN VOTE OH YA MAMA

[Gorrad]

I now hop onto a growing wagon in a way that will make me seem scummy, despite there being good reason to do so!

Vote: Mufasa

[MikeSC6]

That's six, by my count.

If we want to direct Mufasa's kill in case he's town, who does everyone think? Battle Mage seemed quite anxious to lynch Yos- one of those two could be a good bet- I'm leaning towards Battle Mage, for trying to lose people their votes, and the wish to lynch Yos based on what I think is weak evidence. I haven't been detecting scummy vibes from Yos, and killing our mayor now would just lead to WIFOMy situations and an unknown quantity really becoming mayor.

Something I do agree with is not letting Yos survive til the endgame though. I think we should lynch Yos sooner or later before the endgame, and keep lynching until we have a townie mayor that gives the mayorship to millar. A scummy mayor would do far more damage than a townie mayor would help, in my opinion.

[Yosarian2]

Something I do agree with is not letting Yos survive til the endgame though. I think we should lynch Yos sooner or later before the endgame, and keep lynching until we have a townie mayor that gives the mayorship to millar. A scummy mayor would do far more damage than a townie mayor would help, in my opinion.

:eyebrow:

That's horrible logic, by the way. If you think I'm more likely town then scum, then lynching me just because I got elected mayor is incredibly anti-town. We need to be lynching scum, not wasting lynch after lynch killing off townie mayors like you seem to be suggesting.

In any case, if I do die, I highly doubt I could give the mayorship to a "ghost" who is confirmed town but can't vote, but we can ask the mod.

Mod: Could Millar become mayor now?

Plus, the whole thing about "kill off Yos or BS" is pretty bad as well. BM attacked me, and he's wrong, but that dson't make him scum either.

[MikeSC6]

Since we're lynching Mufasa, we don't expect him to be telling the truth- and I can't see any better candidates for that "just in case" scenario. And while I think you're town now, I also don't want to get to the point where if you do start looking scummy we wouldn't have time to neutralise the extra vote.

And it would only have been more than one lynch if you're scum, because if you're not scum theoretically you'd go along with the town plan. And if you are scum and give someone else the mayorship, we'd either lynch them and get more scum or we'd get rid of the extra vote before endgame.

I'm in no hurry to lynch you, let's be clear, this is in anticipation of the endgame. The last thing we want is to get to a point where if we lynch you and you're scum, we'd end up with the mayor you pick at endgame. If we can't give Millar the mayorship then I wouldn't want you lynched just for surviving, because whatever happens the second vote would be with an unknown.