MKM II GAME OVER

[Kast]

Ok, the narrator is a bit implausible in that it sounds ridiculous. However, it isn't actually an unbalanced role. It is a townie role that is demonstrable and has 1 shot NK immunity.

Gorrad's role is implausible because it is so extremely unbalanced. I see no indication that the town is at a disadvantage that would require the balance of a single vig/cop/doc/"recruit new player" role.

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-Riceballtail (1): Gorrad
-Gorrad (1): Kast

Not voting (8): killa seven, ZEEnon, Riceballtail, caf19, ortolan, Empking, AceMarksman, sirdanilot

With 10 alive it takes 6 real votes to lynch.

[ortolan]

Gorrad can you send/receive letters?

[AceMarksman]

I'm liking both gorrad and sirdan as scum right now. I'll put my thoughts together tomorrow.

[killa seven]

Has k7 even posted at all the last 10 pages?

mod please replace out k7 while we can before he posts a useless post and denies us the right to replace him out

how rude

[sirdanilot]

DAMN YOU!!

[sirdanilot]

I'm liking both gorrad and sirdan as scum right now. I'll put my thoughts together tomorrow.

Why?

[Empking]

vote: Kast

Gut but I'll look to see if I can find something to support it.

[caf19]

vote: Kast

Gut but I'll look to see if I can find something to support it.

*twitch*

Has k7 even posted at all the last 10 pages?

mod please replace out k7 while we can before he posts a useless post and denies us the right to replace him out

how rude

Care to share any suspicions with us?

Also I just noticed we've also had epic silence from ZEEnon recently. What's up, ZEEnon?

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Anyway, there are two things that I find unsettling about Gorrad's claimed role: firstly, why a role like that would claim so early when it seems so important to the town, and secondly, why he hasn't been killed yet.

The first one does seem to have a plausible solution, which is that he claimed in the hope of confirming sirdan as scum (due to the jumping in mechanic). Incidentally, Gorrad, what do you think of sirdan these days?

The second one, I'm not so sure about. Can you offer any explanation, Gorrad?

[zwetschenwasser]

Bah. SSSSSssss...

[sirdanilot]

vote: Kast

Gut but I'll look to see if I can find something to support it.

lol backwards scumhunting

try again please

[Riceballtail]

Posting to say that I'm working on writing a lengthy post with analysis on a lot of people. Yes, it's taking a while.

[Gorrad]

I have no idea why my kill didn't go through. I'm going to fullclaim my role, as I'm now out of coins. I started with six coins, every one of my abilities is two-shot.

Four coin, fire based nightkill
Two coin basic doc against one NK
Three coin self-protect against multiple NKs
Three coin cost eight-coin creator
Ten coin cost townie creator (brings one from the jump-in list. Will NOT list flavor, as it would give scum a safeclaim flavor)
Two coin cost rolename/alignment/items/coins finder
Three coin cost busdriver

My vote counts double, and has since D1. You'll find the VCs support that.

I used ability four twice N1, giving me the 16 coins used N2 and N3.

My best guess as to why I haven't been killed is that scum were relying on Kast's reaction: that my role is SO unbelievable that I could be lynched for it. As to why I claimed early, I a) wanted to see if I could counter Sirdan and b) I knew already that I was going to self-protect and kill/investigate when I claimed my townie-generating powers, so I knew I would last the night. For the following nights, I was actually relying on what I said above: that my role would be crazy enough that scum would try and lynch me instead.

I can, to my knowledge, recieve letters. Whether I can read them, I do not know.

[sirdanilot]

I don't really think this sounds like a fakeclaim. It MAY be some kind of third party role but I honestly doubt it.

[ortolan]

it looks extremely believable to me

[sirdanilot]

ortolan k so you believe the claim (I do too) but do you believe in the possibility of gorrad-DK/WW or not and why? Did this recent claim change your previous opinion and why (not)?

[Kast]

@Gorrad-
-What is the flavor behind Kamek using coins for his abilities?

-I believe that you probably do have multiple uses of at least some abilities you have claimed. I can't imagine you as town or scum and false claiming so many different abilities without at least some truth to backup some of it.

I don't fully buy it.

-Buying 8 coins for 3 coins definitely seems odd (why aren't you just given more coins if that is an issue). Also, I find it very unbelievable that any player with so many abilities at their fingertips would generate a ton of coins then sit on them.

-Why didn't you use more abilities on N1 and instead waited until N2?

If you weren't planning to use your coins for other abilities, why would you create so many right away? If you really have that ability, it's probably a sign that you don't want to sit around with a ton of coins.

-I've asked about letters and was told that if someone sent me a letter I would be able to read it if it has a message and that reading/receiving letters does not count as using an item. Also, I was told I cannot re-send/return a letter that someone sent to me.

I find it odd that you didn't ask/clarify that with the mod.

@Double Vote-
-The D1 and D3 real votecounts support Gorrad's claim. D2 does not.

-What is the flavor for Kamek having two votes?

-I have two real votes today. If you are telling the truth, then it would be possible to lynch someone with just 4 people on the wagon.

[Gorrad]

No flavor for using coins to cast spells was given.

I didn't sit on the coins, and I don't buy them. I create the coins, and I get them at the start of the next day. I used them as soon as I could, and as I used all six off the bat I couldn't do anything else N1.

I didn't know what the letter did, so I didn't ask about it.

The flavor behind the double vote is that without Bowser, I'm the closest thing we have to a leader. Also, rereading, it's worth noting that it says my vote number is inchangable.

[Kast]

@Gorrad-
Are the coin-creator and townie creator abilities limited to only night time use?

Specifically, would you be able to demonstrate the townie creator ability if you were given coins right now?

Why didn't you create a guaranteed townie for us?

Your coins don't add up to 16:
4 NK(WLC) + 4 NK(Millar) + 2 INVESTIGATE(TAJO) + 2 INVESTIGATE(ORT) + 3 SELFPROTECT + 2 DOC(ORT) = 17 coins

[Kast]

@People who can buy items-
Can you confirm if the costs for Gorrad's abilities seem reasonable compared to the costs for regular items?

[Gorrad]

Every ability is night-use only.

If I was given coins right now, I could demonstrate tonight.

I didn't create a gauranteed townie because by doing the double kill/double investigate, I would effectively get rid of four possible lynches as opposed to one.

Wow, you're right. I was told that I had two coins left at the start of D3, I didn't think to check the math behind that. Maybe I got an extra coin somehow.

[Riceballtail]

Thoughts after rereading all the players still alive:

K7 - 1) He's playing in this game? 2) He isn't dead yet?
Kast - Replaced Cream, who didn't do a whole lot. Kast, however, has done a lot of questioning. Likely town.
ZEEnon - See K7
ortolan - seems to feel cleared after avoiding the lynch D1, but I'm getting somewhat scummy vibes too. However, Gorrad did investigate him and call him town.
Empking - was rather anxious to get past the item knowledge claiming part... I could comfortably place a vote here
caf19 - leaning town... but it's not a very solid feeling right now
Gorrad - I feel like he's more likely to be third-party than town, but it's probably just because I feel his role is really powerful. I don't see him being a lynch today for any reason.
AceMarksman - post 1551... Very likely scum or third-party
sirdanilot - likely town, seems to like a caf lynch a lot though

VOTE:AceMarksman

I'd like to see him lynched today.

Other thoughts: Why the kill on Millar didn't work: You can't kill a boo with fireballs in any Mario game I've ever played.

After a bit more thought, I do believe Ort is town without question.

I feel unsure about both Sirdan and Empking right now.

MOD:

Prod/replace K7/ZEEnon please.

[ZEEnon]

I believe Gorrad's claim right now.

The flavor behind the double vote is that without Bowser, I'm the closest thing we have to a leader. Also, rereading, it's worth noting that it says my vote number is inchangable.

Your vote number cannot be changed?

[Gorrad]

I believe Gorrad's claim right now.

The flavor behind the double vote is that without Bowser, I'm the closest thing we have to a leader. Also, rereading, it's worth noting that it says my vote number is inchangable.

Your vote number cannot be changed?

Correct. It stays at two.

[Empking]

Thoughts after rereading all the players still alive:

K7 - 1) He's playing in this game? 2) He isn't dead yet?
Kast - Replaced Cream, who didn't do a whole lot. Kast, however, has done a lot of questioning. Likely town.
ZEEnon - See K7
ortolan - seems to feel cleared after avoiding the lynch D1, but I'm getting somewhat scummy vibes too. However, Gorrad did investigate him and call him town.
Empking - was rather anxious to get past the item knowledge claiming part... I could comfortably place a vote here

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You mean the item claiming part where scum succesfully got through? Why would I be anxious about that (if I was scum)?

[sirdanilot]

Thoughts after rereading all the players still alive:

K7 - 1) He's playing in this game? 2) He isn't dead yet?
Kast - Replaced Cream, who didn't do a whole lot. Kast, however, has done a lot of questioning. Likely town.
ZEEnon - See K7
ortolan - seems to feel cleared after avoiding the lynch D1, but I'm getting somewhat scummy vibes too. However, Gorrad did investigate him and call him town.
Empking - was rather anxious to get past the item knowledge claiming part... I could comfortably place a vote here
caf19 - leaning town... but it's not a very solid feeling right now
Gorrad - I feel like he's more likely to be third-party than town, but it's probably just because I feel his role is really powerful. I don't see him being a lynch today for any reason.
AceMarksman - post 1551... Very likely scum or third-party
sirdanilot - likely town, seems to like a caf lynch a lot though

VOTE:AceMarksman

I'd like to see him lynched today.

Other thoughts: Why the kill on Millar didn't work: You can't kill a boo with fireballs in any Mario game I've ever played.

After a bit more thought, I do believe Ort is town without question.

I feel unsure about both Sirdan and Empking right now.

MOD:

Prod/replace K7/ZEEnon please.

what do you think about the part where AceMarksman more or less confirmed Shadow Knight-scum? In general please elaborate on AceMarksman now that you actually have a purpose.

The comment about the millar night kill is one of the most useful comments you have made in this game... which doesn't say much but still. It's true, you can't kill boos with fire.

Also elaborate on your apparent suspicion of me and empking. Why did you list me as leaning town but also as a suspect...?