MKM II GAME OVER

[Empking]

Kast; That's not an example of another fake quote in which I claim to be scum.

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-Empking (3): Gorrad, Kast, sirdanilot
-Kast (1): Empking
-AceMarksman (1): Riceballtail

Not voting (5): killa seven, ZEEnon, caf19, ortolan, AceMarksman

With 10 alive it takes 6 real votes to lynch.

[Kast]

@Empking's claim-
Tried to find anything that looks relevant to the claim. Nothing stands out as inconsistent.

It won't out scum but it will out another group and actual mermbers of the town know tht.

-Was this a softclaim of membership in a group of vanilla townies who cannot use items? Not contradictory, but a bit odd. Is there a reason to suspect that there are a large number of vanilla townies who cannot use items?

Zwet: When did the no itemers claim to be power roles?

-Consistent with a vanilla, itemless role.

We can't use items.

-This is also consistent.

Some of the above could be bussing and/or setting up for a future claim; however, they do show early commitment to this claim (possibly a fake claim, possibly his actual role).

[Empking]

The first part was me presuming that people without the items were the majority and that it'd out the actual item users.

[Kast]

@Empking-
I cannot understand what you mean with your post. It is ambiguous and confusing. Is that intentional?

These are my two best guesses at what you meant:
-You are incapable of reading pronouns consistently so initially read my post to say, "Are you[Empking] planning to invent another fake quote in which I[Empking] claim to be scum?" instead of "Are you[Empking] planning to invent another fake quote in which I[Kast] claim to be scum?". You are now confused because the example does not show Empking inventing a fake quote in which Empking claims to be scum.

-You are assuring me that none of your posts so far in this game are attempts to invent any fake posts similar to the example.

[Kast]

Post 1728 refers to post 1725. Post 1727 is clear and to the point.

@Empking, 1727-
Did you have any reason to suspect that there were multiple other vanilla players who also cannot use items?

Based on the previous game in which vanilla townies could buy items, I see no reason to assume otherwise in this game.

The similarity between Empking's claim and SK's claim (Goombas=Vanilla; no items), makes me wonder if MK were given "Vanilla Goomba" as a safe claim.

[Empking]

SK didn't claim vanilla Goomba.

I hadn't read the previous game so I presumed that there wouldn't be power roles and reading my role PM I presumed I wasn't alone in not being able to use items.

[Kast]

SK claimed Bubble Goomba who turns into Vanilla Goomba. Essentially the same claim as you plus a one-shot, NK immunity. After AceM caught him as a liar, you jumped in to agree.

[Empking]

A cop claim is the same as a vanilla only with investigative powers.
A one-shot vig is a vig that turns into a vanilla townie.
They're completely claims both in name and role.

If I didn't mention it you'd be calling me out for not mentioning it.
How did I jump in?
You make it seem like I was on at the time rather than page(s?) later. Is that on purpose?

[Kast]

@Empking-
You're only looking at part of what I posted. The complete thought includes that SK claimed that Goombas are vanilla. Given that you are claiming the same thing, and that I suspect you are scum with SK, I think there is a good chance that the MK was provided with safeclaim information that Goombas (if present) would be vanilla. Perhaps the mod provided a sample vanilla Goomba role PM that may have stated that Goombas are vanilla and cannot buy items.

-I don't know what you are referring to that I would be calling you out for not mentioning.

-You jumped on the SK wagon after AceM had caught him in a lie and his lynch was a foregone conclusion. If you take offense to the word "jumped", feel free to substitute it with joined or any other less offensive word.

You and SK both claim that Goombas are Vanilla and unable to buy items. The point of including that was that there is a difference between what SK claimed about Goombas and what you claim about them; but the difference in your claims only surfaced after SK was caught.

-I don't know what time has to do with anything, except that you only claimed to be unable to use items after AceM and Gorrad confirmed that players who cannot buy items also cannot use items.

[caf19]

This 'blood from a stone' affair with Emp is frustrating... Emp, you often seem to select only a small part of the accusations against you, respond to that and ignore the rest.

For example, can you explain the discrepancy between this in 1712:

- So you don't think Gorrad is scumhunting?

and this in 1716:

-Where do you get the impression that I don't think Gorrad is scumhunting?

I don't

Also, what is 1725 referring to?

Especially given this game's relative dearth of entirely unconfirmable and vanilla roles, Emp's claim shouldn't prevent a lynch. However, I don't think the lynch is cemented yet due to a few people (k7, Zee, ort) not having weighed in with their thoughts. So the day should definitely not end yet. I'm certainly not sold - his earlier posts do seem consistent with his claimed role and BA alignment.

[ortolan]

Empking is obv-town, I know, I've played many games with him before

let's wagon killa seven to a claim now please

Vote: killa seven

[Gorrad]

I would be DELIGHTED to if I wasn't already preoccupied with killing Empking.

[ortolan]

why are you guys tunneling so hard on Empking when killa seven has done nothing all game?

[sirdanilot]

Not sure about voting K7. I don't want to remove a ll attention off empking... And why would be simply bandwagon everyone to a claim. Doesn't that give scum too much info?

There's also zeenon by the way, as far as useless players are concerned.

[Kast]

@Ort-
They're both not contributing, but it kinda boils down to active anti-town vs. passive anti-town. I don't really believe Empking's role claim (at least not to a degree that would make me uncomfortable with lynching him), so I don't really see a need to move away from voting him.

You do have a point that K7 needs to start posting. It's about time to request another prod/replace...

@Sirdanilot-
Ort doesn't think Empking is scum, so it makes sense that he would rather have a wagon+forced claim on someone else. I don't get the impression that he was asking us to force claims from every single player.

But that does raise another point, mass claiming towards endgame is often very helpful. Due to the the limited reveals on death, the town is even more information deprived than usual and a mass claim may be even more important in that regard. However, I think we're still too early and tomorrow would probably be better. Unless there is a Goomba who is not vanilla and/or who can buy/use items, I don't see mass claims helping us much in determining Empking's affiliation (I would expect such a Goomba to counter-claim anyway).

@Mod-

Is it possible that there are less real votes than the voting threshold?

Yes.

Is there a "real" voting threshold based on the sum of all "real" votes?

The amount of real votes needed to lynch is displayed in the OP and in each votecount.

[Riceballtail]

Speaking of useless...

MOD:

either prod or replace K7 or ZEEnon.

[caf19]

If we are going to wagon someone, I'd kinda prefer it to be Zeenon than k7. I figure we have more chance of getting something out of Zee. But, they could avoid all this by actually contributing...

[ortolan]

Please, Empking is town. I'm not sure I have the energy to re-read to attempt to prove this or if it would even be a profitable exercise to attempt so but he is a very bad lynch. I wouldn't even care if we wagoned more of the lurkers to a claim, they're not going to do anything anyway and I wouldn't be surprised if they had a useful power role if they weren't submitting night actions or were misusing them anyway. zEEnon or killa seven are acceptable, odds are at least one of the "lurky" players are scum and I don't think it's Empking.

[Kast]

My last post before the weekend:

Why would lynching K7 or ZEEnon be any better than lynching Empking?

All three aren't really contributing. K7 has said the least, Empking next, and ZEEnon has contributed a bit more than the other two, but that's not much either.

I think it's much better to replace K7 than waste a lynch on him.

I don't see how you can say Empking is town. Are you basing that assessment on meta? Specific posts? Something else?

[Gorrad]

The point of wagoning to a claim is to see if we like the claim or not. I don't like Emp's claim.

[ZEEnon]

Sorry I have exams.
What do you guys think about a mass claim at this point in time?

[Gorrad]

Unneeded. Tomorrow, I'd be for it.

[Lawrencelot]

Killa Seven has been prodded.

[sirdanilot]

We have tried to get k7 replaced before, but he will just pop in with a retarded one liner and disappear again. It's useless.

Please mod, be quicker this time with replacing k7.

[sirdanilot]

oh no, a prod. now he will surely come in...