Mini 778 - Inventor Mafia (OVER)

[semioldguy]

Makes sense. I don't know what we gain from this info as on its own it isn't indicative of either of your alignments. If box color indicates what is inside the boxes we could have a night where multiple players could each potentially be watchers on different players. I don't think it would be wise for players to claim which six colored boxes they have remaining though as I think that would be more helpful to scum than it would be to town (i.e. if scum know what one box does they would know which town members could potentially possess that ability, which is information I'd rather not let them have).

Vote Count:

AceMarksman (0) -
Beyond_Birthday (0) -
Darox (1) - Empking
Duckduck96 (0) -
Empking (0) -
Lobstermania (0) -
Melikefood (0) -
Semioldguy (0) -
Zazier (0) -

[lobstermania]

I don't like your claim since "watcher" isn't a tracker, and seems like a pretty stupid mistake. Remotely believable.

Still, I don't fully understand why you would claim when you got nothing.
Just a bucket full of bad ideas, are you not?

First, I misunderstood just how much watching the watcher was going to do. It seemed like I would be watching you all night. This is the first time I've seen that role, so I again apologize.
Second, I don't think it was a bad idea at all. I was given the option of one night action in the game and I used it. Unless someone plans on giving me their instructions to a box, I don't plan on having any extra information to share.

[AceMarksman]

Alright. So since I only had one box with instructions and I used it last night, I might as well share what happened: I built a spybot (watcher) and placed it outside Beyond_Birthday's room, however no one came by to visit him.
Unfortunately I thought the watcher would watch for anyone coming or going through the doorway. I regret not having asked that question to the mod before I made my selection. I apologize for what little info I can provide.

Vote: lobstermainia

Might as well claim now, as it's caught scum. I got the red box as my colored box, which held the spybot. Lobster, therefore, cannot have the red box as his box, therefore I believe him to be scum. I used my spybot on lobster and the bot got destroyed, so I think I got roleblocked.

[AceMarksman]

Wow that's rather impossible to read. Sorry, I'm really tired at the moment. I'll explain it better later.

[lobstermania]

Vote: AceMarksman

: my box was orange.

You are framing me. Mastin was correct; you are scum.

[melikefood]

Colors mean NOTHING.

All boxes had their contents

selected randomly

, as well as which boxes were altered by the cheaters.

Fos Ace

[lobstermania]

Colors mean NOTHING.

All boxes had their contents

selected randomly

, as well as which boxes were altered by the cheaters.

Fos Ace

I read this as "Each large box had the smaller colored boxes inside it chosen at random." I had a large orange box and the small orange box inside it had instructions for a tracker. It's my understanding that every other small orange box in this game builds a tracker as well.

[melikefood]

Colors mean NOTHING.

All boxes had their contents

selected randomly

, as well as which boxes were altered by the cheaters.

Fos Ace

I read this as "Each large box had the smaller colored boxes inside it chosen at random." I had a large orange box and the small orange box inside it had instructions for a tracker. It's my understanding that every other small orange box in this game builds a tracker as well.

Uh, well...

I went and used one of my secondary boxes last night phase.
I used my Black Box on Empking. I tracked that he went to Zwet at night. He killed Zwet.
Turns out that Box is ALSO a Spybot.

Colors mean nothing.

So with my new information, My current theory Emp and Ace as
Scumbuddies.

Ace contradicts himself in wanting Zwet dead or not. (589)
Ace uses box colors as evidence to start stuff with Lobster, Colors mean nothing. (602)

Emp Kills Zwet.
Emp sees that there are two deaths in the morning and tries to fish out the Vig. (583)

Emp is the only one I've got solid evidence on, so for now...
Fos Ace

Vote Empking

[Empking]

Change of suspicions.

Should the killers claim?

Sounds like trying to out vig.

IGMEOY Empking.

You think we have a vig?

[Empking]

So Me, you work at that I'm the vig (Zwet was killed second) and think I'm fishing for the vig?

Not buying it.

Vote: Melike

[Darox]

Vote: Empking

That was an extremely poor defense.

If Melikefood is telling the truth about his box, then he is correct in that box colour does not necessarily relate to given ability.

[Darox]

Colors mean NOTHING.

All boxes had their contents

selected randomly

, as well as which boxes were altered by the cheaters.

Fos Ace

I read this as "Each large box had the smaller colored boxes inside it chosen at random." I had a large orange box and the small orange box inside it had instructions for a tracker. It's my understanding that every other small orange box in this game builds a tracker as well.

Tracker? Which is it, tracker or watcher?

[Empking]

Vote: Empking

That was an extremely poor defense.

If Melikefood is telling the truth about his box, then he is correct in that box colour does not necessarily relate to given ability.

What's to defend against.

The case on me is that I vig'd Zwet. Vig as in a town power role.

[AceMarksman]

I went and used one of my secondary boxes last night phase.
I used my Black Box on Empking. I tracked that he went to Zwet at night. He killed Zwet.
Turns out that Box is ALSO a Spybot.

Well, that deflated my ego quite a bit :/. Thought I caught scum, oh well.

That being said and assuming there's only one scumgroup and assuming that the scumgroup used a killing device last night, empking has a 50/50 chance of being scum. I'll take those odds.

Vote: Empking

[duckduck96]

So with my new information, My current theory Emp and Ace as
Scumbuddies.

Ace contradicts himself in wanting Zwet dead or not. (589)
Ace uses box colors as evidence to start stuff with Lobster, Colors mean nothing. (602)

Emp Kills Zwet.
Emp sees that there are two deaths in the morning and tries to fish out the Vig. (583)

Emp, how is anyone calling you the vig at the same time as pushing for your lynch?

In my opinion, Food has the right idea.

So Me, you work at that I'm the vig (Zwet was killed second) and think I'm fishing for the vig?

Not buying it.

Vote: Melike

What the hell does this mean? Zwet being killed second doesn't change a thing. If you look at the mod's first post, all killing actions are resolved at the same time, plus the kill method for both was the same.

Vote: Empking

[Empking]

Duck: Why are you bandwagoning?

Duck; Why are you acting dense?

Duck: Are you aware that Zwet was written second in the night scene?

Ace: Do you know what 50% means?

[duckduck96]

Duck: Why are you bandwagoning?

Duck; Why are you acting dense?

Duck: Are you aware that Zwet was written second in the night scene?

Ace: Do you know what 50% means?

I'm bandwagoning because this bandwagon is good

What does it matter in what order the names were written?

All killing actions are resolved at the same time!

[Empking]

Duck: You realize that doesn't matter?
Duck: How many games have you modded?
Duck: You realize that they aren't listed in the same place?
Duck; You realize that one is after another?
Duck; You realize that vigs normally come last in the lists?

[lobstermania]

Tracker? Which is it, tracker or watcher?

Sorry, I was reading up on both of them and must have confused myself. I built a watcher.

Empking is right, it's not a 50% chance that he is scum, it's 75%. If we believe melikefood and agree that Empking nk'd zwetschen, then he could either be one of the three scum, or a vig. But actually, in addition, there's the chance that he built the taser and is both scum

and

vig.
Hmm....

[Empking]

Tracker? Which is it, tracker or watcher?

Sorry, I was reading up on both of them and must have confused myself. I built a watcher.

Empking is right, it's not a 50% chance that he is scum, it's 75%. If we believe melikefood and agree that Empking nk'd zwetschen, then he could either be one of the three scum, or a vig. But actually, in addition, there's the chance that he built the taser and is both scum

and

vig.
Hmm....

Does that actually make sense to you?

[duckduck96]

Duck: You realize that doesn't matter?
Duck: How many games have you modded?
Duck: You realize that they aren't listed in the same place?
Duck; You realize that one is after another?
Duck; You realize that vigs normally come last in the lists?

Except, in this game, there is no distinction between a vig and a mafia kill. Both of the use the same killing method, a taser.

[Empking]

Duck: You realize that doesn't matter?
Duck: How many games have you modded?
Duck: You realize that they aren't listed in the same place?
Duck; You realize that one is after another?
Duck; You realize that vigs normally come last in the lists?

Except, in this game, there is no distinction between a vig and a mafia kill. Both of the use the same killing method, a taser.

Can you answer the questions rather than saying random words?

Duck; You think a vig can mafia kill?
Duck: You think the mafia vig kills?

[duckduck96]

Duck; You think a vig can mafia kill?
Duck: You think the mafia vig kills?

What is that supposed to mean? Perhaps you're the one who needs to stop saying random words. They all use the same killing method.

[Empking]

Duck; You think a vig can mafia kill?
Duck: You think the mafia vig kills?

What is that supposed to mean? Perhaps you're the one who needs to stop saying random words. They all use the same killing method.

It means what it says.

Why aren't you answering the questions?
Do you know you're wrong?
Are you purposely active lurking?
Why do you think killing method is the end all to the universe?

[duckduck96]

Ok, I give up. If anyone else can explain to me if what this guy is saying has any meaning, be my guest.