Mini 746: Speed Dating - I've Had The Time Of My Life (Over)

[Kmd4390]

Hillarious joke aside (XD), would a reverend normally be at something like this? And I'm pretty sure Molest is a tranny (male IRL, but female here. Hmm.). And maybe you were hoping for your little boys and were disappointed not to see any.

[Nightfall]

Geez, I'm gone for a day because of my grad ceremony and stuff and then I come back to this...

Unovte

Max

could you post a vote count and the current seating arrangement?

Fos: Jahudo

for the "attempted" hammer.

I'm going to go back and reread a few things.

[Kmd4390]

Why just an FoS? Do you agree that he was most likely scum thinking he'd just won the game?

Tables are:
Nightfall/Don
Kmd/Countess
Jahudo/Molestingu

Not 100% sure on the vote count, but one was posted recently and not much has changed since.

[Max]

Nightfall (2): molestargazer, Jahudo

Jahudo (2): Kmd4390, Don_Johnson

Not Voting (2): The Countess, Nightfall

Tables are:
Nightfall/Don
Kmd/Countess
Jahudo/Molester

[molestargazer]

Making this post to force myself to catch up later this evening. It will be done.

[molestargazer]

OK, so it's the next day, but close enough. Let's start from P34.

If you guys [DJ & Nightfall, I assume] aren't scum together, I'll take a picture of a sock in my mouth and post it in the "Put a Face With a Name" thread.

Just posting this here in case he's wrong. At the moment, I'm cast back into uncertainty.

vote kmd

If Countess is Kmd's table partner, this is quite tempting to finish off if it's still in place.

alright.

Vote KMD

Guessing this is the post that caused the shitstorm. If this was intended to be a hammer.. I wouldn't call it a massively scummy action. I would have been tempted to do the same.
Doing it without any prior discussion, though, I don't like.

The Countess is town.

You seem very sure about this.

it certainly makes sense with a jahudo/mole scumteam.

If I were scum, and Jahudo is, I could have very easily jumped on the wagon and finished the game when J thought he'd hammered - if I'd have voted, it would have been.
I'm not scum. I am who I claimed to be.

As scum I probably would have PM'ed the mod to a vote count first, or at least to ask if I was going to be the hammer.

Seems a bit WIFOMmy.

Even better, what made you change from voting the Don/Nightfall pair to voting me? Don must be your buddy, right?

I think this is just your playstyle, but I don't like how you throw accusations around like that.

I don't like WIFOM games. So /out for these next few posts with Kmd/Jahudo.

I honestly don't know what to think anymore.
Don and Nightfall have been appearing more pro-town in what I've been seeing. Kmd and Jahudo, who I originally thought to be very pro-town, have gone down a few notches. Kmd less so.
Even so, I'm still tempting to go for a Countess / Kmd kill today. I'm still worried that this whole game is an Occam's Razor kinda thing, and I would feel amazingly dumb if Countess was scum at the endgame. Whilst I have to say I'm guilty of this too, I have noticed Countess really not posting much, and when (s)he posts, nothing much comes of it, eg the vote for Kmd without reasoning.

So, for now, I'd be quite content with

Vote: The Countess

Jahudo can wait.

[Max]

The above vote is not correct due to the lack of an unvote

[molestargazer]

Unvote
Vote: The Countess

[Kmd4390]

Just posting this here in case he's wrong. At the moment, I'm cast back into uncertainty.

I already know I was wrong. Jahudo is scum.

If Countess is Kmd's table partner, this is quite tempting to finish off if it's still in place.

You think she would take her own lynch like that as scum? I don't.

Guessing this is the post that caused the shitstorm. If this was intended to be a hammer.. I wouldn't call it a massively scummy action. I would have been tempted to do the same.
Doing it without any prior discussion, though, I don't like.

It's an attempt by scum to win the game. Any time you see a hammer with "alright", "let's see", "maybe he's scum" or anything like that in potential LYLO, it's a scum hammer.

Also, if he was a townie changing his stance, he'd have said why. And "wanting to end the game" isn't nearly what a townie would be doing with that vote unless he was throwing the game. Lynching scum would allow the game to continue assuming more than one scum left (which is the case with Jahudo's attempted hammer).

You seem very sure about this.

I am very sure. She was willing to take her own lynch to lynch me. Why would scum do that?

If I were scum, and Jahudo is, I could have very easily jumped on the wagon and finished the game when J thought he'd hammered - if I'd have voted, it would have been.

This would be a good point if you'd posted around that time.

I think this is just your playstyle, but I don't like how you throw accusations around like that.

I'm not throwing anything around. It's either Jahudo/You or Jahudo/Don.

Unvote
Vote: The Countess

..........

[molestargazer]

This would be a good point if you'd posted around that time.

Doesn't mean I wasn't watching.

[Kmd4390]

We don't know that you were, so the defense isn't valid.

[Jahudo]

That sounds like active lurking. This should be an easy decision for countess and nightfall.

[Kmd4390]

That sounds like active lurking. This should be an easy decision for countess and nightfall.

Maybe you should self-vote.

[molestargazer]

That sounds like active lurking. This should be an easy decision for countess and nightfall.

Also sounds like laziness. Sorry.

If it weren't for the fact I'm playing to my win condition, I'd vote Jahudo right now. But since I am, I can't leave with scum, so I won't.

Kmd seems pro-town. The Countess doesn't. Hence I'm voting for her.
If I'm wrong, then I'll try and lynch Jahudo tomorrow.

Kmd - Is your win condition purely if all of the Married people leave, and makes no regard as to who you leave with? I forget.

[Jahudo]

I do not think Countess is scum and it doesn't make sense how she could be scum with me given this:

The DJ/Nightfall pair was in hypothetical L-1 here:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 81#1706681
and Countess did not try to hammer.

So unless she knew pair voting didn't count, she could have hammered and won the game if she and I were scum. Even this doesn't make sense because Countess and I were scum together, I'd think she would tell me not to count pair voting as a legit vote. And she might also tell me not to bus her after people thought she was town for not trying to hammer DJ/Nightfall.

[Jahudo]

EBWOP: She could have hammered and *thought* she had won the game if she and I were scum.

[Kmd4390]

Molest, yes. (I checked this time. XD)

The Countess is not scum. If you don't want to lynch Jahudo, you should be voting Don or waiting for new pairs.

[Jahudo]

Mod: Please prod The Countess

Come on people, let's get our act together. Nightfall is as good as caught scum!!!

[Kmd4390]

Come on people, let's get our act together.

Nightfall

Jahudo is as good as caught scum!!!

Fix'd.

Btw, how is Nightfall scum?

[Jahudo]

i'm not scum

[Nightfall]

For the attempted hammer and the flipflopping in who he said he would vote for before the attempted hammer.

Vote:Jahudo

[Jahudo]

FYI: I'm not going to self-hammer.

[don_johnson]

still waiting on the countess?

jahudo: how do you feel about your tablemate?

[Max]

The countess not yet picked up prod, has until tomorrow then replacement

[Jahudo]

jahudo: how do you feel about your tablemate?

Good in the sense I think he is scum, but bad in the sense that regardless of whether I pick correctly or not I'm still going to lose.