Mini 808 - Rabbit Doubt Mafia: Over!

[Kmd4390]

confirming

[Kmd4390]

flavor

OMG AWESOME!

btw, Hello KMD, Tenchi, Phily, nice to see you again!

and of course Looker. I hope will have fun this game (I promise I won't try too hard to get you lynched this time)

Yep. Another game with you. Should be fun.

Yo, we've gotta get Xofelf into one of these games some time.

She might not have much access over the summer last I heard.

(Btw, yeah, xofelf is a friend of mine IRL. We went to High School together.)

[Kmd4390]

I'll read in a second, but the game is up and I have a non-random vote to make. That's right. No RVS for me.

btw, Hello KMD, Tenchi, Phily, nice to see you again!

and of course Looker. I hope will have fun this game (I promise I won't try too hard to get you lynched this time)

Vote Mykonian

. The only way you could make that promise is if you know Looker's alignment. The only way you know Looker's alignment is if you are scum. Myko is scum.

[Kmd4390]

I am playing the game. I'm trying to lynch scum.

Everyone take the door that corresponds with your number on the player list.

[Kmd4390] opens door number [1]

And let's see what happens:

[Kmd] moves to [Room 1.]

At night, we should all be in our own rooms. I'll give the rest of my ideas on this on Day 2.

[Kmd4390]

Please tell me I'm still alive. >.<

[Kmd4390]

I now have a post restriction in which i cant mention player names so my posts may sound confusing

Can you still vote player names? If so, you should just vote someone when you want to mention them by name. For example, Vote Myko is scummy. Unvote, Vote MafiaMann now has a post restriction, so that's something to watch.

Unvote, Vote Mykonian

Just post like that, but be sure to include your real vote at the end of each post.

(I removed bolding to avoid confusion. You should include it though because of the restriction)

[Kmd4390]

So refer to players the same way. Call us by what room we are in.

[Kmd4390]

What do you think is the significance of room number 7? Me thinks it has something to do with killing somebody so... why would somebody suddenly stuff themselves into THAT room? Why not the restroom, or check another room?

If you had the chance to get a vig shot, you wouldn't keep it to yourself instead of letting scum have a shot at it? I'd jump on that chance as quickly as possible.

FTR, I think there is significance to the storage room. I'm not sure what it is though.

I do not have a key.

That's interesting..

[Kmd4390]

Tenchi,

-your case on Batt is crap.
-what is wrong with WIFOM?
-How was that a slip
-If scum don't know each other, you're the one who just slipped. (Myko is your buddy if this is the case)

[Kmd4390]

KMD, do you wanna keep watch over him together in the toilet tonight? (sounds so wrong)

I'd prefer if we all stayed in our own rooms for tonight, but he has no room..

I know how the scum are going to WIFOM us and I can't think of any way to avoid it..

I don't think where we sleep affects our night actions, since the mod did say that we would all sleep on an unlocked room.

I missed that part. >.<

Tenchi,

-your case on Batt is crap.
-what is wrong with WIFOM?
-How was that a slip
-If scum don't know each other, you're the one who just slipped. (Myko is your buddy if this is the case)

Why do you answer for him, when he is so far away from a lynch?

I'm not answering for him. I don't like it when people have a problem with WIFOM. And Tenchi's point about scum not knowing their buddies is only valid if Tenchi is scum who doesn't know his buddies. The only part of the case itself that I address is the fact that it is crap.

@Kreriov
Wait so, you'd have voted for whoever got the storage room? How does that make me scum? Sorry but if this was an actually issue someone would've brought it up ages ago.

I picked number 7 because its lucky. Quit reaching. +scum points

He has a valid point. You didn't

actually

"follow my lead" like you said you were. And you got the weapons room instead of an empty room in doing so.

Oh, I didnt know he was doing it by number. I just followed his lead by picking a door like he did. Thats what I meant by it. Are you sure he implied we were suppost to pick the door out number in Mod's list gave?
Anyway, thats my bad but KMD didn't seem to mind afterwards.

I thought I was pretty clear about that.

I never even noticed you didn't pick the right room.

It is still a good start I believe. How about you? Have you tried looking for scum today?

Yeah. I already found two. You and Myko.

Too much and too obvious usage is scummy. Hell, I personally believe that WIFOM, by itself, is the best scum weapon.

If used properly, it's useful for town as well.

Hold up a sec. I didnt notice KMD wanted to organise who picks what doors. I went at a door as he did, that was what I meant by following his lead. Feigning ignorance? If I were scum and knew storage room was there, I wouldnt have gone for it RIGHT AFTER KMD pointed out what he wanted people to do concerning who picked which door.

You would if you acted like you didn't see my plan.

IF I was scum I'd have let whoever number 7 is open the door and done what Battousai did, run inside. (During twilight phase preferably) I'd also lie about having no key so i'd have an excuse for not picking my own door. Yes I'm fucking reflecting here because Im saying exactly what scum would do

Nah, that would be too obvious. It would be better to go to it when everyone thinks you have no idea what it is.

Phily, would you be willing to sleep in room 10 tonight?

Ok. I thought KMD was in Room number 7 and you just went into Room number 7.

>.<

[Kmd4390]

[Kmd] closes door [1].

[Kmd4390]

4.) The main character who was not given barcode, since the wolf was his lover, she didn't want to kill him.

So if Batt has a lover, that player should be scum. Shouldn't outguess the Mod though.

And about the library theory, didn't someone say that all the doors are unlocked at night?

[Kmd4390]

Kmd4390 will be prodded today

No need.

[Kmd4390]

29* During the night, you’ll stay at the room you have last moved to during the day, with the exceptions of possible night actions.

So there's no need to all go to the library. Power roles can move at night.

Also, why are we assuming that there is a cop?

And why are Myko and Tenchi both still alive?

[Kmd4390]

I'll read in a second, but the game is up and I have a non-random vote to make. That's right. No RVS for me.

btw, Hello KMD, Tenchi, Phily, nice to see you again!

and of course Looker. I hope will have fun this game (I promise I won't try too hard to get you lynched this time)

Vote Mykonian

. The only way you could make that promise is if you know Looker's alignment. The only way you know Looker's alignment is if you are scum. Myko is scum.

[Kmd4390]

Tenchi thought

I

opened room 7? When was this?

[Kmd4390]

Oh. Yeah. Forgot about that.

I'm more concerned with the way Tenchi went after Batt. Looked too easy and forced.

[Kmd4390]

Oh. Yeah. Forgot about that.

I'm more concerned with the way Tenchi went after Batt. Looked too easy and forced.

Kind of a "Oh, look. Something weird happened. I'm gonna jump on this now."

[Kmd4390]

Oh. Yeah. Forgot about that.

I'm more concerned with the way Tenchi went after Batt. Looked too easy and forced.

Kind of a "Oh, look. Something weird happened. I'm gonna jump on this now."

Well, we gotta start somewhere.

You can at least give me props for getting discussion started, especially with relation to the rooms. :-p

"I was scummy, but now we are talking" is NOT a defense.

[Kmd4390]

No, you are scummy for "noticing" crap. Batt's play wasn't scummy. Just different.

[Kmd4390]

I don't think Batt did anything scummy. He says he has no key, so it makes sense to follow someone into a room. Night actions don't depend on what room you are in during the day according to the rules.

And I believe Tenchi about making a mistake about you. What made you think I didn't?

[Kmd4390]

Batt already did:

29* During the night, you’ll stay at the room you have last moved to during the day, with the

exceptions of possible night actions

.

[Kmd4390]

Zt and Paper, why haven't you used your keys?

Zt, how do we benefit from sharing where our keys are?

[Kmd4390]

Not scummy? Then what do you think is his purpose for moving into that room?

Moving for the sake of moving and having no key. I don't think he thought "Hey, this room has weapons. OMGIWANTIT"

Now I ask you this. Of all the rooms that are open, WHY THAT ROOM?

I believe him. Because it had a rope. It was pretty early in the game, so it's an ok time to joke around. I think that's what he was doing.

Don't use my meta in defending me. I don't need it.

Um. If his read on you comes from meta, why is he wrong to say simply that?

[Kmd4390]

Could you clarify why you didn't give myko this benefit of the doubt? At first glance I interpreted both his comment and your vote as early-game half-jokes, but your follow-ups have suggested your vote was earnest.

I believe the point that I made originally and it hasn't been convincingly defended against.

[Kmd4390]

Confirmations or not, he had his role at that time. I feel he said something scummy, so I voted as soon as the game started.

[Kmd4390]

Has anybody picked up any flash light, axes?

This is scummy.

@ Kmd

Kmd prior stated that we should keep doors locked so that discussion would be required before a player was granted access to a room. Since his door was (is) still locked, I thought he would probably require rationale before allowing access.

Please?

I wasn't the one who said that. I locked my door in agreement with the plan.

[Kmd4390]

So I guess the safe assumption is that we have power roles that need to be triggered by going into the rooms? Because from what I am seeing here is that we have people possibly masking power roles or the power role people are getting their powers or the power people are just waiting in the corridor.

I have a suggestion. How about we vote for the Towniest person and let that person decide on the groupings?

If you are scum, you are looking for power roles and telling us that one of your scumbuddies is doing a good job of looking protown. Noting this for future reference.

I suggest the following trios. IF someone gets lynched then one trio becomes a pair.

How were these trios chosen?

Also,

Unvote, Vote Tenchi

. Scummier than Myko and more likely a lynch.

[Kmd4390]

And why are Myko and Tenchi both still alive?

myko has only pregame posted a joke towards looker about previous games. You come with your perfectly logical argument that I must have made a slip. Didn't think so:

FoS KMD

Am I still voting you? Didn't think so.

end page 12 kmd is way too concerned he is logical in his vote on me.

HoS KMD

Well if you were more active, I'd have been able to get a reaction from you. So far, you've FoS'd and HoS'd me strictly for voting you, correct?

unvote vote KMD

mostly gut, but this play just points at him being scum. It is not a big difference, but as town he would never semi lurk this way, tunneling till over page 10 on a pregame post.

Why is this argument always used against me in games where I am town? See Zelda. See Double Head Alpha. See Disney. See LK's open game. Always.

[Kmd4390]

I usually go off gut reads. Actually, almost always.

[Kmd4390]

Myko, first, look at my posts and tell me I did nothing else. Second, look at everyone else's post and tell me I'm "unnoticed" (which I'd hate to be as scum anyway as I like to have control. See Spy's recent game.)

[Kmd4390]

Myko, first, look at my posts and tell me I did nothing else. Second, look at everyone else's post and tell me I'm "unnoticed" (which I'd hate to be as scum anyway as I like to have control. See Spy's recent game.)

that is one reason I think you are a survivor with a nightkill and yes, you are trying to. You are not that much in control as I have seen you before.

That's called SK. And why the need to differentiate between SK and mafia on Day 1?

And why should a town aligned player who is having a hard time getting any reads want to control a game?

I say KMD's vote sucks, and that he is scum for it.

To clarify, you're saying that his vote on you sucked (i.e. not his current vote on Tenchi)?

He doesn't like that even after Page 12, my vote was still on him.

[Kmd4390]

and that his post was: why are 1 and 2 still alive? If he was here, he would have known. But he lurked, and brought nothing new.

Wait, are you honestly saying that:
1) I really thought that you and Tenchi had died already...???
and:
2) I wasn't even around..??

If so, you are dead wrong.

[Kmd4390]

Tenchi is away, unable to defend himself, and despite my suspicions, I am not really convinced he is scum. After reading everything, I am afraid I may be influenced by the fact that he has actually been very active and has actions to analyze.

Unvote

^This is a weak unvote.

1) Away or not, he's still scummy
2) "despite your suspicions", you aren't "convinced he's scum"? What's that even supposed to mean.
3) He only looks scummy because he's active?!? Um, what???

[Kmd4390]

Tenchi is a player that tends to play with fire, like he does here. His things he said were scummy, but he took risks, something I consider town.

KMD does exactly the opposite. Tries not to stand out, but still be here. Brings little new, doesnt lead the game, like he likes to. Scummy behaviour for certain.

First, how is saying scummy things a towntell? Second, how am I trying not to stand out? Third, since when do I like to lead a game where I'm town and not confident in my reads?

For what it's worth I see a Tenchi/Myko/Kreriov scum team.

Here it was, and now you: a. linked us, b. say I think him town c. say I defend myself, or try to look towny.

How is "a" not reasonable? And to "b", you don't?

further I see the word: "bus" in there somewhere, and I have no idea why you would need to use that.

Technically, Myko is right. He pointed suspicion on Tenchi, but voted me. What Myko is doing in regards to Tenchi is distancing, not bussing.

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Iecerint, which games of mine have you read?

[Kmd4390]

The reason I voted two persons in one post, is that I reacted directly on what I read. You can read it chronological. What KMD did on page 12 is so un-KMD, and while it is only one post, it is rather clear. Further, contrary to other games with him, I have trouble to remember what he said. He doesn't stand out. This is an added thing, that doesn't fit in his normal play.

What post are you referring to?

And I've had games where I don't stand out as town. See Double Head Alpha, Zelda, LK's most recent open game, Mafia 91, Disney.

Btw, I'm getting more confident in this lately:

For what it's worth I see a Tenchi/Myko/Kreriov scum team.

[Kmd4390]

but yes, you are right, I should give a bit more attention to this game, because I've already found 4 scum, and 1 town, and those theories dont really fit. I'll try to get a clearer post tomorrow.

I've done better. I found the whole scumteam.

[Kmd4390]

Tenchi, so much of that is just IIOA. We know what happened. Opinions on it are better than just a recap. Other than that you are suspicious of Batt, I don't even know where you stand on most of what you just posted about.

[Kmd4390]

Myko, what is your read on me alone? What is your read on Phily alone? If Phily flips town at some point, what is your read on me? If Phily flips scum at some point, what is your read on me? If I flip town at some point, what is your read on Phily? For sake of completeness, if I were to flip scum, what would your read on Phily be? How does Tenchi fit in with all of those scenarios? Do you have other suspects?

[Kmd4390]

Myko, thanks for putting up with my "just came home from work and extremely tired so I'm gonna ask a thousand questions" post. Your answers are probably helpful, but I can't make sense of them right now or even of my own post where I asked the questions. Wow, I really need to sleep. XD

[Kmd4390]

I am playing the game. I'm trying to lynch scum.

players who say they are town, mostly aren't. Why did you do this?

In response to Phily:

Lets keep him on the reserve list for suspects then? Play the game for now? With a setup like this scum slips are bound to occur.

I saw Myko's post as scummy, so I voted him. Phily then told me to play the game for now. I said that by voting scum, I'm playing the game.

And KMD what's your read on phily?

I'd probably be suspicious of him if I didn't think the scumteam was Tenchi/Myko/Kreriov.

BTW:

unvote Phily

sorry phily, I shouldn't have gotten you mad. And there is just too much chance that I'm attacking an annoyed towny (would surprise me if you played being annoyed).

And no, this is not to make you unvote, I expect you to think this is again a scum-action, but I don't care. All that can make you unvote is a glass of water

You think only townies get annoyed?

[Kmd4390]

and what do you think of the persons that are not seen as scummy by a lot of people?

Who is that specifically?

no, but it makes this reaction more likely to come from town too. If I was already annoyed, and people seemed to misinterpret my arguments, I would tunnel on them until I got a glass of water. Not that it is great play, but if you are in that state of mind things happen.

something I'm sure you knew. Much happier with my unvote after this post.

I just don't see why it's a townie reaction. I've reacted that way as both alignments before.

[Kmd4390]

the other way around please. We have a reaction from phily, and we are supposed to find out if it comes from town or from scum. The "real" emotion makes the reaction also likely to come from town.

Still not seeing why scum can't get a "real emotion" of annoyance.

Kmd - making wild, unsubstantiated accusations and wildly speculating about possible connections. Might be trying to stir things up and not to be taken seriously unless and until he actually tries to substantiate wild claims.

What is wild about my suspicions?

[Kmd4390]

You mean other than the fact you have not supported them in the least?

Tenchi:
-Comes out of the gate working more on setup than finding scum. I've never liked that.
-When he makes a case (on Batt), it's the biggest load of crap I've ever see.
-The shrugging things off as WIFOM bothered me.
-Through 20 posts, has done zero scumhunting aside from latching on to Batt and making a mistake on Phily.
-Continues to look at only the setup
-catch up post is complete IIOA. Almost no opinions at all.

Myko:
-His "promise" to Looker.
-Basically lurked through the beginning of the game.
-Took 12+ pages to respond to my serious vote on him.
-OMGUS's me by letting the case develop as I respond to him.
-Votes me over Tenchi, who he actually, you know, HAS a case against.

Kreriov:
-Basically tunnels on Phily early.
-Unvotes Tenchi for crap reasons instead of pursuing what is actually a good case.
-And now, shrugs off my suspicions as "wild" and unsupported.

If I'm wrong on one of these, Phily is my next suspect.

[Kmd4390]

Iec, I don't like that we haven't gotten much of an opinion from Tenchi on anything and that the little bit we do have is crap. I don't get that feel from you or Zt.

It was pretty easy to see that Phily had missed that part of the plan. To tunnel on that point was scummy.

I've "locked in" on the scum team because I think it is awesome that my top three suspects seem so connected. I feel like I'm actually right about the scum team. Of course if I am, I won't be here for Day 2.

[Kmd4390]

Myko:
-His "promise" to Looker.

explained. Every game till now I have aggressively attacked Looker, when she was towny. It is not more then normal that I change the way I play then. She has been a bit lurky in this game now, something that is a shame, because her posts were not antitown.

-Basically lurked through the beginning of the game.

v/la for the most part.

-Took 12+ pages to respond to my serious vote on him.

strawman. The above explanation was given short after it (a defence). When I reread and you are still hammering that on page 12, I attack you for it.

-OMGUS's me by letting the case develop as I respond to him.

don't get this point. I hate the word omgus, I gave my reasoning

-Votes me over Tenchi, who he actually, you know, HAS a case against.

that is much too easily followed by the wrong people, and there are things that point at Tenchi not being scum. Enough for me not to follow the case

First of all, please don't EVER respond to me in this format again.

-I know you explained it. I don't know if I buy the explanation.
-Noted
-I don't see the strawman, but VLA explains this.
-Your reasoning was there, but was weak. Point stands
-what are the points in favor of Tenchi being town? Why are they stronger than your case on Tenchi or anyone else's?

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Kreriov, most of the points were there already. All I really did was look at myself in ISO and organize the points I'd already made.

I'm not saying that looking at Phily was scummy. I'm saying that looking at ONLY Phily was scummy.

Also, it's not the fact that you unvoted. It's the reasoning behind it. Same as Myko. Strong points against him, weak points for him, so you

don't

vote him? Makes no sense.

I don't follow why voting a scummy player who happens to be on VLA is stupid.

[Kmd4390]

@Mykonian - Ok.

My suspects are a as follows with a brief reason why.

Tenchi - Jumping wagons for little or no reason.
PhilyEc - Being way to defensive about mistakes
Mykonian - This whole weird KMD back and forth thing
Kmd - Pushing a bad case
Ztife - Lurking

So you suspect one less than half the game. Awesome. And two of those (obviously not yourself) match mine. And yet I'm suspicious for pushing a bad case?

@Myko - Yup, why do you think I removed my vote? Anyway, you asked. None of those scum suspicions are very strong. One reason I am not voting for anyone Will be interesting to see what others have to say.

^Spaghetti tactic.

[Kmd4390]

@Mykonian - Ok.

My suspects are a as follows with a brief reason why.

Tenchi - Jumping wagons for little or no reason.
PhilyEc - Being way to defensive about mistakes
Mykonian - This whole weird KMD back and forth thing
Kmd - Pushing a bad case
Ztife - Lurking

So you suspect one less than half the game. Awesome. And two of those (obviously not yourself) match mine. And yet I'm suspicious for pushing a bad case?

@Myko - Yup, why do you think I removed my vote? Anyway, you asked. None of those scum suspicions are very strong. One reason I am not voting for anyone Will be interesting to see what others have to say.

^Spaghetti tactic.

agreed. Though it was a weak case that you continued too long.

Because it took that long to get a reaction.

And why should I seek scum for you?

Um, isn't that the main goal for a townie?

@All,
Who would you be willing to see lynched today and why? (assume you control the hammer)

I want to lynch Tenchi or Myko. I'd be more than happy to lynch Kreriov. I'd be willing to lynch you. I wouldn't be upset lynching Bitchi, Zt, or Gregory. Anyone else, not my top choice, but I'd take over a no lynch.

ztife would be the "save" lynch for me (in case everything fails), where I expect this to be Tenchi from the rest. I am against a tenchi lynch.

I rather have KMD, or Kreviov at the moment. I think. Need a reread (and sleep), but that should be the general way I'm thinking. I don't want phily anymore.

Funny, I thought you suspected Tenchi. And note the distancing from Kreriov here.

KMD-

Battousai wants to move to room 1

. Why do you keep your door locked?

Why do you want to come into the bathroom with me? O_o

[Kmd4390]

^ I've wanted to come into the bathroom since page 12 or so. Why didn't I ever get a funny face?

[Kmd4390]

I'd like to know why you want in first.

[Kmd4390]

I'm not saying GOGOGO Bitchi wagon now. That's just my order of preference. My top 3 are my real suspects. Phily is bothering me a bit, so if I'm wrong on a suspect, he could very well be scum. My next preference is someone not contributing (Bitchi, Zt, Gregory). After that, everyone is pretty townie, so they only get my vote over a no lynch.

[Kmd4390]

@Icerint & Phily - The bad case Kmd is pushing is against me. He consistently lists Tenchi, Myko, and I as scum. His cases against either of those two I feel is wrong, but I do follow his logic. It is the one against me that is bad. (Basically he somehow thinks I am partnered with them. I am still not really sure exactly why. At best he is pissed because I was the first to get off the Tenchi wagon and he is reacting with emotion, not logic. At worst, he is scum just stirring up crap.)

Not at all. You are free to vote who you want, when you want. Just have good reasons for it. You say you unvoted Tenchi due to V/LA. I don't understand why that makes sense. If it did, optimal play for scum would be to go V/LA at every deadline.

It is the only room I haven't gained entrance to yet, that has been uncovered.

Why is it important to go to every room?

[Kmd4390]

I answered your first question, now you answer me why you won't unlock it.

Because I don't see a good reason for anyone to come in.

[Kmd4390]

I just want to go in, then I'll leave...

Ohh. I get it.

[Kmd] opens door number [1]

Aim carefully!

[Kmd4390]

k, Gregory is town.

[Kmd4390]

Not at all. You are free to vote who you want, when you want. Just have good reasons for it. You say you unvoted Tenchi due to V/LA. I don't understand why that makes sense. If it did, optimal play for scum would be to go V/LA at every deadline.

Ah, KMD misrepresenting. Given his exacting scrutiny of everyone, you would think he wouldn't make such a mistake. He suddenly forgets that I was well aware we were not up against a deadline when I removed my vote from Tenchi.

Here is part of my post from 8 Jul.

My reasons are and were sound. Even if I think him the most scummy player in the game, keeping a big wagon going on him while he is V/LA is just stupid. Come 20 July, I might be of a different opinion.

Why are you trying to misrepresent me KMD?

(For those of you unaware of it, we have a deadline on 20 Jul)

I actually just checked this morning for when deadline is.

Kmd, why do you think Gregory is town? His suspects?

k, Gregory is town.

What makes him town, other than that you already think you picked a 3 scum team.

He wants to be able to help more than he has so far.

[Kmd4390]

Not at all. You are free to vote who you want, when you want. Just have good reasons for it. You say you unvoted Tenchi due to V/LA. I don't understand why that makes sense. If it did, optimal play for scum would be to go V/LA at every deadline.

Ah, KMD misrepresenting. Given his exacting scrutiny of everyone, you would think he wouldn't make such a mistake. He suddenly forgets that I was well aware we were not up against a deadline when I removed my vote from Tenchi.

Here is part of my post from 8 Jul.

My reasons are and were sound. Even if I think him the most scummy player in the game, keeping a big wagon going on him while he is V/LA is just stupid. Come 20 July, I might be of a different opinion.

Why are you trying to misrepresent me KMD?

(For those of you unaware of it, we have a deadline on 20 Jul)

I actually just checked this morning for when deadline is.

So, basically, you just make accusations as you see fit and say whatever you think is the most prejudicial to your target without regards to, you know, actual facts? Nice.

Vote: Kmd4390

Um, what? I think this makes no sense for reasons other than the fact that I've been awake for the past 28 hours and working for the past 12. I'll check again when I wake up, but I'm pretty sure this is a bullshit vote.

(I'm probably not coherent and shouldn't be posting. XD)

[Kmd4390]

Myko, have I ever been one to vote hop?

[Kmd4390]

Myko, have I ever been one to vote hop?

I dont know, actually. It is a tell that was learned to me in one of my newbies and since I remember it, I see that it works great on myself. I think I can compare myself to you, except you are better. So I think this would work, yes.

I usually keep my vote on the same person until they are dead unless their lynch isn't looking likely or someone else starts to be really scummy.

It only seems logical, then, that you failed to read my reply in which I specifically mention the deadline. In other words, you don't give a damn about anything I have to say and are saying whatever you can that is prejudicial to your target. That is the definition of scum.

It's not that I "don't give a damn". I just get lazy...

[Kmd4390]

Yea...seeing stronger Myk-Krev connections from that post alone.

Yeah, Tenchi is scum with them too.

Yea...seeing stronger Myk-Krev connections from that post alone.

but at least make it distancing in stead of buddying, and please point out then why this points at us being scum.

Um. Weirdest post of the game. Did you just admit to distancing when accused of buddying and ask why it's a scumtell?

Wait, are you saying I should vote for KMD because he had a weak case? I made it clear he had a weak vote, both of you did for eachother. Him for voting for you for apparent buddying at the beginning and you for voting for him for basically voting for you. The main piece of you case against KMD is that hes got a poor case on you?? Srsly??? Thats like...a weak case of its own, lol.

Buddying wasn't even a point I used against Myko.

@Iecerint - Kmd keeps saying that the scum team is Tenchi, Myko, and myself. I am not scum, therefor that is a lie.

LOL!!!

So anyone who has a suspicion that happens to be wrong is lying scum? Not that I think I'm wrong or anything.

@Iecerint - Ah, fair enough. In that case Kmd has definitely misrepresented and only possibly lied.

If you keep throwing these words around, it won't make them any more true.

[Kmd4390]

@Kmd - Your right, but it will not make them any less true either. Thank you for agreeing with me that you have indeed, either intentionally or through shere laziness, misrepresented posts I have made.

Are you seriously trying to misrep me about misrepping?

[Kmd4390]

uhm ok but really what gives you or anyone else the right to say if you do this your scum and if you dont do that your scum.

Um it's called scumhunting?

[Kmd4390]

No saying if you dont vote your scum is not effective because who but scum would do things purely to prove they are not scum

What? Voting isn't something you do to prove you aren't scum. Voting is something you do to catch scum. People who don't vote are effectively taking a backseat and making themselves harder to read while also setting themselves up to vote whoever they want to near a deadline. Voting is protown. Not voting is scummy.

[Kmd4390]

the problem with what mastin says is that it is quite baseless, and seen what I said about Kreviov doesn't even make sense. Which reinforces me into thinking he didn't read the thread well, and just wanted to bring pressure on Kreviov and me, after having seen the last votecount.

And if he'd read more closely, he'd have seen the two of you distancing?

@KMd - I am not. A simple look at my posts in ISO will show where I caught you misrepresenting me. Your excuse was you were lazy. Whatever, laziness or intenional, misrepresenting is scummy behavior.

I admitted to being lazy. I did NOT admit to any misreps.

[Kmd4390]

@Kmd - Of course you do not admit to misrepresenting. You have just been shown to have done so.

Not exactly.

did I miss someone, or are this the persons we should look at seriously for this lynch? In that case, please post with what lynches you would agree. My vote could be on mafiaman or KMD, I think.

This is no longer making cases, this is placing the vote for the person you want to lynch. We should have some information, and there are some wagons that could be succesful, now we only need to see what wagons would be on scum.

Wagons are probably a good idea now.

Unvote, Vote Myko

. More votes on you than on Tenchi.

@Mykonian - Well, what more do you want? Kmd is used/is using a strawman attack on me. One which I specifically discredited. I showed, twice, exactly how he was misrepresenting things I have said and his reply was that he was lazy? Seriously? My vote is where I think it will do the most good.

There is no strawman or misrep.

[Kmd4390]

Kmd has misrepresented her play

EXPLAIN. HOW.

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Myko's breakdown has me even more convinced that he's scum.

[Kmd4390]

Who else did he look at in that time? If you can find me a post where he pays attention to someone else early in the game, I'll admit I was wrong. However, being wrong is NOT a misrep. And I didn't see anything to suggest I may be wrong.

[Kmd4390]

That came later. Early on, he tunneled on Phily.

[Kmd4390]

Meh. Now that I think about it, while I don't think I'm wrong, it's a bad point. I do it as town all the time.

[Kmd4390]

Looker, Tenchi, MM, and Don (Don, no problem if you don't know yet):
Who is a better lynch between Myko and myself?

[Kmd4390]

KMD has nobody I can see linked to him. And that's a problem; if nobody's linked to him, then it's less likely he's scum.

I could be SK. Don't worry though. I'm not.

[Kmd4390]

First, I was getting screamed at for locking my door. Now you want me to lock it again? Also, Don is still here according to your second to last post.

[Kmd4390]

Person above me i already said the person i was most suspicious of was the owner of post 662 but I am still not keen on a lynch to little has taken place.

Fair enough. We have a deadline coming up though, so we aren't going to get much more to "take place".

[Kmd4390]

Don, that's a terrible reason not to want to lynch someone. I suspect Camn all the time and she's one of my favorite people to play with.

[Kmd4390]

isn't the point of being scum mostly to get as less interactions as possible? (people getting mad at you, and voting you, or people that see that you interact unnatural with one)

Mastin, a lot of connections is certainly not a scumtell.

Depends how you play it. I once intentionally connected myself to Yosarian2 before I died and got the vidge to shoot him.

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MM, are you still willing to vote Myko knowing that it would be the hammer?

[Kmd4390]

Guy who can't use names, please answer my last post.

[Kmd4390]

move to room 6

So you can answer my question now?

[Kmd4390]

1) Kmd4390 (3) -

Kreriov, Mykonian

, Iecerint
2)

mykonian

(7) - PhilyEc, Battousai, Mastin, Kmd4390, Gregory, Looker, Don_johnson
11) Battousai (1) - Tenchi

Not voting (1) - MafiaMann

On the basis that a Day 1 mislynch will include at least one scum, I'm looking at Phily, Batt, Mastin, Gregory, Looker, and Don before anyone else. MM comes next for not voting. Then Iec, only because I know myself to be town. Then Tenchi.

Of the 6 other than myself who voted Myko, Mastin and Gregory were obvtown yesterday. Batt was pretty townie. Looker was pretty townie. Let's lynch either Phily or Don.

Vote Don_Johnson

. Didn't get enough attention as Zt lurked and Don wasn't caught up yet. Don, you either weren't caught up and hammered anyway OR you caught up without giving us your opinions and hammered. Either way, it's scummy.

[Kmd4390]

Bribing? What bribing?

[Kmd4390]

First on the wagon isn't a scumtell. You were my 4th suspect yesterday. Two have already flipped town, so logically, you'd be number two today. But I'd rather do a lynch wagon analysis than just blindly push you and Tenchi as scum all day. And after the analysis, I won't even focus on Tenchi being scum right now.

[Kmd4390]

Happy birthday Mastin.

[Kmd4390]

Mastin, you might say I'm a bit of a celebrity, right? XD

But why mention me over someone else like Looker or Gregory? They're cool people too, you know.

[Kmd4390]

Gregory is PaperPenguin. Paperpenguin was famous for knowing flavor well. Gregory is famous for speculating that female roles are safe from NK in Kmd's male restroom, and also some other things. Kmd called him obvtown Day 1, prompting Batt and me to ask why.

My question was directed at Mastin. Don't comment on things you don't understand.

[Kmd4390]

Wow. Or were you responding to Looker and just happened to use the word "famous" by chance? If so, turn that double facepalm on me instead.

[Kmd4390]

Gregory, you don't believe that MM's post restriction is Mod-imposed?

[Kmd4390]

I very much doubt it.

So I assume you very strongly believe him to be scum. Why no vote?

[Kmd4390]

Molest of all people wants to know why I wouldn't let anyone join me in the restroom. That's funny because of his username.

[Kmd4390]

I shorten usernames. So if I leave the end off, it's Molest.

[Kmd4390]

Molest, this avatar actually didn't come from a bet.

Guys, what is the case on Molest?

[Kmd4390]

Mastin, am I really the kind of player who would call my scumbuddy obvtown?

[Kmd4390]

Oh, I didn't say "obvtown" looking back. Just this:

k, Gregory is town.

And about Medeival, that was because everyone else was calling Rogue obvtown and I could get away with it. I'm the first to mention Gregory as being obvtown.

[Kmd4390]

Iec, I didn't tunnel on Myko. I also went after Kreriov and Tenchi. And mentioned Phily as being scummy.

[Kmd4390]

Oh, I forgot about that. So I did use the term obvtown. Just not where I thought I did.

I still don't see tunneling in that. If I remember right, it's Tenchi that I was going after in the early game, even if I was voting Myko.

Phily was scummy, and I acknowledged that, but no, I didn't really push too hard.

[Kmd4390]

Something in the Iec-KMD conversation seems very forced.

Hmm. Maybe he's scum. Still feeling Donscum a little stronger though.

Mastin, am I really the kind of player who would call my scumbuddy obvtown?

I'm hating this more and more.

Because I'm using WIFOM?

[Kmd4390]

Something in the Iec-KMD conversation seems very forced.

Hmm. Maybe he's scum. Still feeling Donscum a little stronger though.

por que? no comprende.

That should say "comprendo".

Porque tu eres muy scummy.
-Vote Count analysis pins you as a likely suspect
-The hammer didn't seem like a town hammer
-Zt pretty much lurked the same way he did in Zazie's last modded game as scum
-You remind me of your scum game in Speed Dating (posting frequency, lack of content, quick to act, etc)

Kmd, could you clarify you case on DJ? It seems like your used vote analysis to break down the possible suspects and then picked a favorite, but it's not clear what factors led to the favorite-picking.

Heh, answered.

Unvote
Vote: KMD

Answer the question... if you have, sorry I missed it. I know your next post would be to go around it and ask what question... so the question is why wouldn't you allow anyone into your room yesterday for so long (until I told you I wouldn't be staying).

Maybe I took the joke too far. I didn't have much actual reason. I was just having fun with bathroom jokes.

I have no idea. I wouldn't endorse going any further than this. If anyone does, I'd seriously look at that.

I figured it'd be a little hypocritical of me to question him constantly over this question, and not put a pressure vote on having just unvoted.

*shrug*

So you had no idea how many votes it was, but you'd suspect anyone who placed a late vote.

I don't do this often, but

FoS ChildMolestar

[Kmd4390]

- please explain vc analysis
- please define "town hammer"? was my explanation not reasonable?
- cannot answer for this one
- interesting. i would disagree. in that game i mostly lied about catching up and rereading. i have been honest here. also, both you and molester were in that game with me so even though its wifom, do you think i'd play to a scum meta given the circumstances?

-already did. I always assume scum on a mislynch, not because it's a bad lynch, but because a scummy townie is scum's best friend. When looking at the wagon, you are one of the best candidates to show up.
-No, it wasn't.
-So we are supposed to take your intentions as being truthful just because you say they are? And yes, if the meta is unintentional, you'd match it.

[Kmd4390]

Don, the motivation would be the same here as it was in Speed Dating. I don't know what that motivation is, but you admitted here that you used it as a scum tactic there. So if you are doing it, the motivation is the same (Batt is FoSing for the wrong reason. Respond to WIFOM with more WIFOM like I just did).

Whether or not scum hammer Day 1 highly depends on the game and specifics of the situation. You can't definitively say that scum

do

or

don't

hammer on Day 1. Your vote, specifically, was scummy. You either weren't caught up or you caught up without telling us any opinions. You hammered without giving specific reasons. You called out the lack of bolded extension requests and never made one yourself. And I didn't like the "are we sure?" post before your hammer.

[Kmd4390]

yes. but in that game i lied. in this game i am not lieing. or if i am lieing then i am lieing completely illogically.

But if you were lying, you would say this exact same thing. Saying "hurhur I'm not lying" doesn't make you sound any more honest. The fact that you continue to repeat it makes me doubt you even more.

my second post in iso clearly has a bolded extension request. why didn't you like the post? i was giving other players the oppurtunity to jump off the wagon. noone bit, so I hammered. from what i did read i didn't see any reason to lynch myk and i clearly stated that in my earlier posts. day 1 is never easy and i felt that holding up the lynch when it was clear it was what people wanted to do was just silly. noone at any time offered up any specific evidence or specific sections for me to reread so yeah, i didn't catch up, but only because i thought it pointless. am i the onnly voter on that wagon you think is scummy?

But you called out the lack of bolded requests later, and I'd expect that if you really wanted the extension, you'd have made the request again when it went unsanswered.

You hammered because no one unvoted? Not because you thought you were voting scum? Ok, that's a town move.

How is it pointless to catch up? You missed out on a lot of opinions you could have formed.

I think Phily is scummy too, so no, not just you from that wagon.

[Kmd4390]

Mastin, am I really the kind of player who would call my scumbuddy obvtown?

I'm hating this more and more.

Because I'm using WIFOM?

Its like a hybrid of meta and WIFOM xD

True.

But if you were lying, you would say this exact same thing. Saying "hurhur I'm not lying" doesn't make you sound any more honest. The fact that you continue to repeat it makes me doubt you even more.

not sure what you are getting at here. you accused me of lieing. i am obviously not lieing as it makes no logical sense for me to do a thorough reread and analysis and then lie about whether or not i am actually doing it. what are you accusing me of lieing about exactly? if i haven't lied, then why continue with such a malicious line of questioning if not to bolster a weak case through some sort of "guilt by repetition" method?

On Day 1, you never really caught up. You said that you intentionally lurked in Speed Dating. But you say that's ok, because even though you lied there, you are telling the truth here. If you don't see why I don't trust that statement, you are dense.

But you called out the lack of bolded requests later, and I'd expect that if you really wanted the extension, you'd have made the request again when it went unsanswered.

uh no. my request was answered. it was clearly stated by the mod that extension requests be bolded. i bolded mine. when others made requests that were not bolded i saw it as a tactic to appear pro town without following through to actually be pro town. at what point did you request an extension?

But when no extension came, you could have asked again if you wanted it that badly.

I don't believe I ever requested an extension. When did I claim to have done so?

You hammered because no one unvoted?

that and to secure a day 1 lynch. players don't get to L-1 by accident. please don't try to paint me as some scum mastermind for successfully lynching on day 1. its not a very strong point.

That's funny. I'm not calling you a "mastermind". If you were a mastermind, I wouldn't have caught you just now. I think you are scum who made a dumb move by hammering someone you never really said you thought was scum. Basically hammering for the sake of lynching.

How is it pointless to catch up? You missed out on a lot of opinions you could have formed.

read my meta. i am horrible town. it was frustrating to catch up so i figured i would go with town's judgement for day 1 and see what happened.

not everyone in town needs to scumhunt.

Seriously? So it's just "Meh, a bunch of guys voted him, so he's a good lynch"? Absolutely terrible.

Also, the bolded is one of those things where I go "Did he really say that? Really??? WTF???"

I think Phily is scummy too, so no, not just you from that wagon.

and why?

[/quote]

I don't have a strong case, but gut and his reaction to the whole room thing near the beginning of Day 1. And his Myko vote, while not scummy as an action, puts him on my list of players to focus on today.

[Kmd4390]

V/LA til I wake up Sunday, the next time I get to sleep.

[Kmd4390]

At deadline, the player with the most votes is lynched.

unvote
vote tenchi

@ Tenchi, Battousai, & PhilyEc:
Which should be lynched? Don_Johnson or Gregory?

Why are Don and Gregory the options, but your vote is on Tenchi? Also, I'd like if you'd answer your own question.

You mean

who

should be lynched...


I really don't see much of a case against Gregory, so by default- Don_Johnson.

Do you think Don is scummy?

I asked awhile ago, but I don't think anyone responded. Are we ignoring Mastin because of his prior meta, or for other reasons?

Maybe because he's obvtown?

[Kmd4390]

FoS: Kmd

.
1. This is the second time this game that you have called someone obvtown with no clear basis for your belief.
2. Mastin is never obvtown.

I trust my reads. Mastin is very likely town.

[Kmd4390]

Still confident on Gregory being town.

Still serious about Don being scum.

[Kmd4390]

Molest, I already have.

[Kmd4390]

Pretty sure Greogory is town..

Mod

, happy ScumDay.

[Kmd4390]

KMD's Post 985 - You're pretty sure that Greg is town? Okay, do you have any ideas as to who is scum?

Yep. Don is scum. Probably with Phily. Then maybe Batt, but I haven't gotten that far yet.

KMD, before I die, please tell me why you were buddying up to me the whole game. I know you're a genius, but please tell why I have to be townie.

I'm not buddying up. I have a strong town read and am enforcing that. Check most any game I've played. I usually end up with one strong town read and I act accordingly.

[Kmd4390]

Greg, do you know why you became an insane doc?

Kmd enters room 1

. Forgot to do that I think.

<I previewed this post>

[Kmd4390]

The answer to Kmd's question is in Gregory's post just prior to that. Unless Kmd has a basis for believing that Gregory is lying about that.

My bad. Must have missed it.

[Kmd4390]

Kmd, I haven't posted as regularly in this game as I was doing in Twilight mafia. (I'm OK saying that outright now because I was just NK'd.) Is there a reason you haven't called me out on that?

Didn't notice.

[Kmd4390]

Don, why am I supposed to be laying out my case again?

I'm fine with lynching either Don or Looker.

[Kmd4390]

For starters, he wants Molest modkilled pretty badly.

[Kmd4390]

For starters, he wants Molest modkilled pretty badly.

and what is wrong with that? townies very rarely get a chance to affect a game in such a way. gaining information without lynching is a bonus as i see it. also, how is putting in a request = "wanting it pretty badly". i am simply trying to get some information in this thread mod confirmed in order to better understand the game. molest claimed post restriction. well, do you still believe him? wouldn't some sort of mod confirmation be helpful in this instance, even if it is a mod-kill?

But it ends the day, so we still don't get our lynch. And you keep pushing it, so I think you want it pretty badly. Am I wrong?

Batt makes a good point that your hypothetical scumbuddies would have let you know that you're scum, though. So if you're scum, you almost certainly know about it. This is all a bit beside-the-point, because if you're scum this is probably all a fabrication, anyway.

Zazie would give scum a QT, but would probably send a PM requesting night actions that Looker may or may not have seen[/ModWIFOM].

[Kmd4390]

Unvote, Vote Looker

This lynch has to happen. I've decided on that.

[Kmd4390]

You can't be read because you claim to have not read your Role PM. Scum won't kill you. We have to lynch you.

[Kmd4390]

Greg, how am I silent? I've given my opinions. We are lynching Looker. If not Looker, then Don. We are NOT lynching you, Mastin, or Molest.

[Kmd4390]

Iec is probably town.

I'm gonna be on a pretty bad V/LA for the next couple of weeks btw.

[Kmd4390]

Hey. Laptop access. Quick post.

Iec makes a decent case against himself. Hmm.

[Kmd4390]

Iec, you are making no sense. You call me out for buddying, but being busy nullifies that? First of all, why is it nullified? Second, why is buddying a scumtell? Look at any game I have played with Camn. We've both buddied in all of those games. It's called enjoying playing with someone.

Lynch preferences:
Want to lynch:
Looker
Don

Wouldn't mind lynching:
Iec
Phily

[Kmd4390]

Iec, lack of time is only an excuse for falling behind. I am caught up right now, so I'm good. Ignore the fact that I'm V/LA for now.

[Kmd4390]

Posting this in all my games. After I leave my house around 4:45 EST tomorrow morning, I won't be home to post until Tuesday. Whether I post before then or not depends on whether or not I get brief laptop access.

[Kmd4390]

Iec, I don't follow your logic.

[Kmd4390]

So you think Molest would intentionally break the rule to prove that it's

real

? Not following that.

[Kmd4390]

And what will intentionally breaking the rule accomplish?

[Kmd4390]

It's also possible that the Mod is forgiving towards obviously unintentional slips.

[Kmd4390]

Iec, how does asking me my opinion of how the Mod is handling things helping anything? If you really need to know, I think Zazie handled it well. Mods are impartial and probably should refrain from answering certain questions in thread. Zazie's answers gave us no hints at Mole's alignment or Don's or anyone else's.

[Kmd4390]

Nope, I disagree. I don't even see how it can be taken that way.

[Kmd4390]

So yesterday's lynch was absolutely terrible. Let's do it right this time. Looker or Don. No one else.

Vote Looker

[Kmd4390]

Batt wasn't the only one hiding. I found an airshaft by doing this:

Kmd enters room 1

.

Looker, my "absence" was site-wide. I was V/LA. Mostly out of state. Working almost non-stop. Brief laptop access once in a while, but that's it. I'm back now though.

[Kmd4390]

Don, so you think Batt and I are BOTH lying about claims that basically verify the other's? Do you think we are scumbuddies who made a risky play like that? I'd hope you'd expect better play from me than that.

[Kmd4390]

Looker, I think you'd have to finish a day in a restroom to be able to hide.

When I posted that, I assumed it would be risky for both of us, as scumbuddies, to come out and lie about being able to hide. But on second thought, it might not be too bad a play. So ignore the mention of risk there.

I already voted.

[Kmd4390]

Batt, I was able to hide both nights. I don't think it's technically a "hider" role though. Flavor implies more NK Immune.

[Kmd4390]

Looker, I say NK Immune because I don't hide behind a player. I hide in an air shaft and scum can't get me. Also, Batt and I aren't lovers, masons, scumbuddies, neighbors, or any other connected role.

Molest, maybe it's a bad vote. Actually, yeah, it is. I mistook fear of not being able to read Looker for scuminess.

Unvote, Vote Don

[Kmd4390]

I don't see a reason to.

[Kmd4390]

Batt, Hmm. So you think we are hiding from ALL actions and not just kills? You are actually probably right. I didn't think of that before..

Looker, didn't I suspect Don before he suspected me? I could be wrong, but my point is I suspected him long before today.

And I don't support a straight up lurker lynch on Day 3. Why did you include Iec as a lurker? Mastin flaked from the site, so he's gonna be replaced. Wait, you included Batt too. Why? Haylen should show up. I hope..

[Kmd4390]

Don,

Vote Don_Johnson

. Didn't get enough attention as Zt lurked and Don wasn't caught up yet. Don, you either weren't caught up and hammered anyway OR you caught up without giving us your opinions and hammered. Either way, it's scummy.

This was my original reason for voting you along with my look at the lynching wagon. I also made some points in our back and forth. I thought I remembered doing a bulleted-point case, but I just found out that using Ctrl+F to search "Don" brings up far too much "don't" to be useful.

[Kmd4390]

Oh, I found it.

Porque tu eres muy scummy.
-Vote Count analysis pins you as a likely suspect
-The hammer didn't seem like a town hammer
-Zt pretty much lurked the same way he did in Zazie's last modded game as scum
-You remind me of your scum game in Speed Dating (posting frequency, lack of content, quick to act, etc)

[Kmd4390]

-

Vote Count analysis pins you as a likely suspect

how? is this point still relevant?

Yeah, it is. You hammered Day 1 without giving us an "I'm caught up, here's my thoughts" post and then placed the L-2 vote on Greg Day 2. I'm going old school here. Oh, and Looker is your buddy for voting late too. Tenchi (CSL) is the other scum.

-The hammer didn't seem like a town hammer

why not? i checked every room, hammered. if anything it should be nulltell.

Checking the rooms takes the place of scumhunting?

-Zt pretty much lurked the same way he did in Zazie's last modded game as scum

indefensible, but seems to be a meta argument.

Yep.

-You remind me of your scum game in Speed Dating (posting frequency, lack of content, quick to act, etc)

anyone agreeing with this should read the game and see if they agree. my play is almost completely different. meta arguments are bad in general, but this one doesn't even fit.

Nothing wrong with meta. And it actually fits perfectly.

do you really still think i'm scum?

Yeah.

I simply said that because that's what

I

was trying to do. I was trying to let enough people vote KMD so that I could hammer. Not that I don't enjoy your company, it's just that me allowing you to live is a liability. You were head to head with Myk, who turned up town D1, and stayed on me, who I know to be town, the entire time D2. I'm not saying that DJ is town, I'm simply stating that I would be much more comfortable if I at least

attempted

to get you lynched. Ergo,

unvote; vote kmd

Being wrong is a scumtell? And on someone who loves to bus?

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Iec, Speed Dating

[Kmd4390]

If being wrong is a scumtell, I was obvscum from Day 1.

I think an inactive at the end of Day 2 is scum. Tenchi fits that best IMO.

[Kmd4390]

Iec, town doesn't have the knowledge of everyone's alignment coming into the game. Town has a high chance of being wrong. Just because scum can choose to be wrong, doesn't mean town is 100% accurate every time.

I don't suspect Tenchi for flaking. I suspect Tenchi for his play. (FTR, I think Tenchi is currently modding a game and hasn't flaked from that.)

Looker, so someone who is wrong from the beginning is likely to continue being wrong? Don't tell me you haven't seen the movie 21. I have a habit of tunneling. So I usually stick with my first few suspects until they die. When I picked Myko as scum, I had a 3/11 chance of being right. Not very good odds. Myko was lynched. I was wrong. On Day 2, I picked Don as my top suspect. At this time, I had a 3/9 (1/3) chance of being right. Better odds. The more times I am wrong and pick a new suspect, the better chance I have of being right. So if your argument is that because I was wrong before, I'll be wrong again, you have things backwards. It benefits the town to keep me alive with this logic. Discuss THAT! XP

Looker, Iec is saying I was right once because I hardcore defended Gregory and he flipped town.

[Kmd4390]

I still have to disagree on the right/wrong thing, but we are getting into MD territory unless you suspect me for being wrong. My odds thing was to counter Looker's logic that I should be lynched regardless of alignment because I was wrong about Myko and could hurt the town, because statistically, I'm more likely to be right about Don than I was about Myko. And if Don is lynched and is town, I'm even more likely to be right tomorrow.

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Wow. When did I

EVER

say anything was random about my vote on you?

Yes, you've given thoughts NOW, but not at the time of your hammer.

So you are admitting that you checked rooms INSTEAD of scumhunting. I don't even know what to say to that one...

I'm not saying you are scum for being wrong. Not everyone on the mislynches is scum. It's impossible. I'm saying that most any mislynch will include scum and based on where your votes lie on both wagons, combined with context and my experience with you in a past game, you fit the bill as scum better than anyone else in this game.

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Iec, why are you buying that anything about my vote is random? It's completely backed with logic. If you mean my smartass response to Looker about being wrong leading to being right later, then I can't believe that you are taking it seriously. If you mean my vote count analysis, then hey, it's worked before.

Call me dumb, but what is Monty Hall?

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Back to Don. No, checking rooms gives us abilites, NOT in-thread scumhunting. Scumhunting is more important.

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Oh. Yeah. That. That was my smartass response at Looker. lol. I wasn't assuming random lynches though. 1341 is me not knowing when to stop. XD

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My vote on Don was based on my analysis, his play, and my past experience with him. I don't see anything stronger than that to suggest that he is town. I see him as the most likely scum in the game, so my vote is where it needs to be.

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Looker, LYLO.

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Looker, Iec, and CSL:
Are you the scum team?

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7 alive. I'm town, so 6 choices. Pretty sure Molest and Batt are town. Leaves Haylen and the three I named.

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CSL, probably. 12 players usually means 3 scum. 7 alive would put us in LYLO.

Iec, I don't remember what, but mafiamann said something that made him obvtown. I think I mentioned it before.

When did I say Phily/Haylen was the least scummy?

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Looker, Iec wanted my thought process. My thought process is process of elimination, so I went through that.

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It was a question, not an accusation. I'd actually say you (Iec) or Looker is least scummy.

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Ok, Looker suspecting me and Batt when we basically confirmed each other as NK Immune already is a little weird. And I'm gonna say she'd list her buddy too. So Looker and Iec are scum with either CSL or Haylen. Holding off on a vote because this is likely LYLO. Actually, no. Scum can lynch me anyway with Looker's vote, so:

Vote Looker

[Kmd4390]

Scum:Looker
Iec

One is scum, the other is town:
CSL/Haylen

Not Scum:
Molest
Batt
Kmd

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My bad, didn't hit enter. Should look like this:

Scum:
Looker
Iec

One is scum, the other is town:
CSL/Haylen

Not Scum:
Molest
Batt
Kmd

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Scum:
Iec
Looker
Haylen

Yeah, I'm confident that this is the scumteam. I doubt you'd list your buddies as the only likely scum. The only way you are scum is if we aren't looking at a 3 person scum team, in which case this isn't LYLO anyway. There's no reason not to lynch Looker today.

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Batt, who do you think CSL is scum with?

Btw, just realized a mistake in my last post. If Haylen is scum, CSL could be scum with Looker or Iec and the other would have to be town.

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CSL, what makes you think I assume you to be scum?

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I'd also love to hear from Haylen..

[Kmd4390]

When I said it was still possible that you could be scum and I was wrong in clearing you?

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Kmd, it sounds like you're suspecting me because you suspect Looker and Looker suspects me. Also, your original question to Looker, CSL, and I regarding whether we were scum did not reflect your perspective of the scumteam. Do I have that right?

Mostly, yeah. I still think there's a chance that I guessed right though. We'll see soon enough.

I think we should lynch either Looker or CSL

This statement...

is a good one.

Actually.

Unvote, Vote Haylen

No one has quickhammered yet. Haylen must be scum. If all of the scum were in Looker/Iec/CSL/and myself, the scum would have won by now. Haylen is scum or we aren't in LYLO.

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Kmd enters room 1

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Looker, there's no guarantee that I'm 0 for 3 just yet. CSL has yet to flip.

Oh, and Mastin is dead. He was a rolecop and checked me Night 1:

KMD, why are you so famous?
'Cause you crave attention?
'Cause you bribe/take bets with people?

My role is a celebrity.

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Looker,

1)k. I know nothing about the flavor, so nothing to say to that.
2)Yeah, but he was in the library. I think he crumbed to me intentionally.
3)Neither.
4)I have two.
5)I didn't say I want CSL to flip yet. Just that we don't know for sure that all three of my original suspicions are wrong like you are implying. There's still hope!
6)Scum:Haylen, Looker, Iec. If one is wrong, CSL is scum. Batt and Molest are town.

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Looker, so you mostly suspect the same people as me, but myself instead of you, and are criticizing me for being wrong? What?

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Iec, so my uncerainty between the 4 players (more specifically CSL/Haylen) who I'm not convinced are town is a scumtell? Why?

I don't consider Looker's "I haven't read my Role PM" thing a scumtell. I unvoted on that because I was willing to admit it was a bad reason to vote.

I suspect you mostly as a connection to Looker and because my VC analysis shows you as the second scummiest living player after Looker.

What needs to be clarified? Meh, I'll just take you through it:
-I came into the day with my top suspects. Looker and you mostly from the VC analysis. CSL as basically a guess over Haylen, eliminating my town reads. Also thought reactions to naming three scum might help.
-I went back and forth trying to figure out CSL/Haylen.
-I assumed Haylen scum due to the fact that I was still alive.
-I'm less sure of this now because someone (I forget who) makes sense saying that a quickhammer is difficult.

Unvote, Vote Looker

. I'm back to this because it was my original top scum read. Also gonna put CSL back as the third scum and Haylen as town.

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I saw no reason why I was still alive except that scum was inactive. Aside from that, Haylen is the most likely town of my group of 4.

As for reasons for suspecting Looker, after this game, I'm gonna go back to pretending I use logic to get my reads in games instead of just admitting that it's all gut. I'm not gonna go back post by post now because it's late in the game, so I'm gonna say it how it is. It's all about the VCs and gut.

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I probably shouldn't post til I get some real sleep... I'm probably too dumb to actually realize this...(Running on an average of about 2 hours a night for the last few nights and worked overnight the 5 nights before that)

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Iec, the fact that Looker had already voted me.

Actually, that was dumb. If Looker is scum, they still needed a town vote to quicklynch. So yeah. Definitely disregarding my reasons for calling Haylen scum.

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My logic only would have made sense if Looker was town. But if scum could have quickhammered at any time, they would have. I assumed that because they hadn't, they were inactive. You and CSL had posted, so that made Haylen the scummiest inactive. I'm thinking now, though, that a quickhammer never came because the scum already had a vote on me and only had two more to work with and I was at L-3. They still needed a town vote to get anything out of it.

Haylen is less scummy because she was less scummy to begin with. I only had her as scum because of a bad assumption I made.

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Why would you assume that Looker is town to call Haylen scum, then put Looker in your Top 3 and suspect me for my association with Looker? That literally makes no sense. I liked this better when it was all gut.

Does anyone else understand what Kmd is arguing? If so, could you restate it for me?

Didn't realize that assumption had to be made at first. I blame lack of sleep.

I don't think there is a such thing as a quickhammer because as soon as scum get to building on (there'd be no collaboration out of thread), I'd unvote and we'd have our culprits. Does that make sense?

There are ways to do it. I've worked it out plenty of times.

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Iec, I'm a "rabbit".

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Batt, you shouldn't have revealed that. Catching a fakeclaim would have been nice.

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Vote CSL

. We are headed in this direction anyway. And with the two players already voting him being my two town reads, and him still being alive, I'm confident in this. L-1.

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I doubt he's town. Looker goes tomorrow, k?

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Look who was on the lynch. If scum won already, then well done.

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Scum are obviously killing Haylen because she isn't around to give them a vote.

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If the scum had won, they'd have told us by now.

Not sure what to say right now though. I don't want to help scum with their NK. Maybe they think my opinions are clear anyway though.

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Wow. Congrats scum. Especially Molest. I had Looker pegged though. Fun game even though I was wrong for most of the game.

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I'm sure he did.

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Yeah, he did.

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Hey, I didn't want Gregory lynched. And if I had my way, you'd have been lynched.

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Batt, I did the same thing about Molest. Probably did something similar with you too.

I'd have policy lynched Looker. I even voted over the not having read the role PM thing.

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Mastin, you really didn't catch on?

Mastin, you might say I'm a bit of a celebrity, right? XD

But why mention me over someone else like Looker or Gregory? They're cool people too, you know.

Gregory is PaperPenguin. Paperpenguin was famous for knowing flavor well. Gregory is famous for speculating that female roles are safe from NK in Kmd's male restroom, and also some other things. Kmd called him obvtown Day 1, prompting Batt and me to ask why.

My question was directed at Mastin. Don't comment on things you don't understand.

First, I asked why you investigated me and then suggested Looker and Gregory for the next night. Then I use the "don't understand" comment and specifically say that I'm asking you about this. Thought for sure you'd be all over that...