Mini 808 - Rabbit Doubt Mafia: Over!

[Tenchi]

conforims

[Tenchi]

OK. Can somebody give us a quick rundown of the situation? I mean I know we have doors, and we probably have keys. Each key will only work in a single door. So we have ownership of that room.

Since there are 12 rooms, why don't we assign a room for each person. I am assuming here that NK's can only be done if the killer shares a room with the target.

If I am understanding something wrong here, please clarify.

MOD: Can we have the player list and map shown on the first post (instead of the second/third post). This way, we can use the Show First Post feature of the boards to easily see who is in the game. Thanks.

[Tenchi]

Let's create codenames for everyone so that MafiaMann can help us with stuff.

I want mine to be

"the guy with glasses"[/b].

Battousai, why did you move to Room number 7? Do you need an Evil Bunny mask to do your stuff?

[Tenchi]

Nope, I want the rope so I can jump rope until we use it to string someone up.

We don't need a rope right now from what I know... unless you want to "string" somebody by making a noose and tying it around their head.

Seriously, you moving into a room full of weapons and "evil bunny masks" is VERY suspicious. Especially now that it is left open and somebody used up their key, without using your own key for anything else.

VOTE: Battousai

[Tenchi]

I know right. But the thing is why would he stuff himself inside that room. I suspect that scum cannot perform a nightkill without fulfilling certain conditions, since this is a Mini Themed game with rooms. And seeing each room has such a vivid description, I feel that each room has its significance.

What do you think is the significance of room number 7? Me thinks it has something to do with killing somebody so... why would somebody suddenly stuff themselves into THAT room? Why not the restroom, or check another room?

Something is up.

[Tenchi]

1) Why would I want to go to a smelly restroom?

Not the point. The point is of all the possible choices, why choose the "Evil Bunny Weapons" Storage Room?

2) Is there another reason why I did not use a key to open another door?

I read that you say you don't have a key. I don't know the Manga so I want somebody familiar with the series to comment on that.

3) If you are assuming scum have to go to room 7 for the killing weapon, why not assume scum know which room has the weapons in it already and suspect KMD?

Scum knowing where the weapons are hidden does not make sense, and defeats the purpose of having keys in the first place. KMD could be town curious in opening a door. Other than that, your deflection my suspicion against you to KMD is a bunch of WIFOM.

Your deflection has been noted.

4) The first question is rhetorical.

Which kinda proves you have no clear answer why you would jump into Room Number 7 unless you have some hidden agenda.

[Tenchi]

Honestly I just wanted the rope to jump with, lol. The other rooms had nothing in it, smelled awful, or was completely dark. The room I went into was more interesting.

Exactly. And the nature of the room does not help your case. Again, why stuff yourself in a room of weapons. It would be awesome if you are a vig, but I doubt that.

Besides, wouldn't I already have an evil bunny mask if I was the wolf?

LOL. How would we know? Or are you duping a bucket of WIFOM on my lap?

Otherwise you would already know I was a wolf.

How would I know? Or do you and your buddies don't know each other? Scumslip?

Maybe I'm a vig and wanted a weapon for my powerrole.

Maybe. Shudda Wouldda Couldda...

I am not buying it.

If your theory is true about the scum having to find that room then it is possible that I am a vig. Not saying I am and not saying I'm not.

WIFOM madness.

[Tenchi]

@Kreriov
Wait so, you'd have voted for whoever got the storage room? How does that make me scum? Sorry but if this was an actually issue someone would've brought it up ages ago.

2) Besides Battousai, I'd say everyone else will only want access to a room for night phase and lock the door from the inside. Now Im more curious as to what really motivated Battousai O_o Anyways agreed. For night phase Battousai should also not be allowed sleep in Room 7.

Somebody is quite forgetful on what they really believe... :-p

[Tenchi]

Tenchi,

-your case on Batt is crap.

It is still a good start I believe. How about you? Have you tried looking for scum today?

-what is wrong with WIFOM?

Too much and too obvious usage is scummy. Hell, I personally believe that WIFOM, by itself, is the best scum weapon.

-How was that a slip
-If scum don't know each other, you're the one who just slipped. (Myko is your buddy if this is the case)

I misread the statement and made a bad assumption.

I still find his sudden move to the Storage Room suspicious. However, I find Phily more... controvisercial.

[Tenchi]

Two different motivations. I've explained why I picked 7, its a lucky number. Battousai's explaination is that he wanted to skip rope...

WHO R U KIDDING? LOL!

VOTE: PhilyEc

(Both are crappy reasons and both are just mere EXCUSES just so you can stuff your noses in that room.)

[Tenchi]

As for Tenchi's case. Do you not find it strange that Battousai has now entered my room? This gives him access to weapons afterall. I thought he brought up a good point to be honest. His excuse is that he wanted to skip rope for gods sake. Do you think he just randomly decided to enter the room with all the weapons or do you think there was a motivation?

Don't play dumb. I have pushed Battousai in my last few posts.

Now what is interesting here is that you are diverting MY ATTENTION on you to him. Call it first-class deflection and ignorance.

[Tenchi]

On group strategy, I'm thinking I'm on not using my key just to see what happens.

(Advice though would still be appreciated.)

[Tenchi]

Hold up a sec. I didnt notice KMD wanted to organise who picks what doors. I went at a door as he did, that was what I meant by following his lead. Feigning ignorance? If I were scum and knew storage room was there, I wouldnt have gone for it RIGHT AFTER KMD pointed out what he wanted people to do concerning who picked which door.

So what is your real reason for going to that door?

Following KMD's lead?
Because it is lucky?
Or because you are one lying lying sneaky weaponless scum looking for weapons?

[Tenchi]

LOL wait...

unvote

[Tenchi]

Ok. I thought KMD was in Room number 7 and you just went into Room number 7.

My bad.

Vote: Battousai

[Tenchi]

LOL Kinda.

Battousai is suspicious still in my book all this time. However, I thought you were accusing/deflecting onto Battousai when "the fact" WAS you did the same thing. (I thought KMD opened Door 7. Battousai went in. And then you went and pranced into Door 7. Then with the way you defended yourself (which again I took out of context) I thought you were a worse liar) So I questioned you about that.

Sorry about that.

[Tenchi]

Tenchi,

-your case on Batt is crap.
-what is wrong with WIFOM?
-How was that a slip
-If scum don't know each other, you're the one who just slipped. (Myko is your buddy if this is the case)

Why do you answer for him, when he is so far away from a lynch?

I'm not answering for him. I don't like it when people have a problem with WIFOM. And Tenchi's point about scum not knowing their buddies is only valid if Tenchi is scum who doesn't know his buddies. The only part of the case itself that I address is the fact that it is crap.

This is exactly why I don't like WIFOM. I shouldn't have addressed the statement if I found it to be WIFOM. My mistake here was replying and assuming based on a WIFOM statement.

Anyway, my meat of the Battousai case is not because somebody knows their scumbuddies or whatnot. Battousai went into the Weapons Storage room. I want a decent explanation. He doesn't have one, or he claims to be a vigilante. He also doesn't have a key, which is kinda odd.

[Tenchi]

1) I believe I never claimed to be vig. I said not saying I am, not saying I'm not.

2) Tenchi- If you believe your theory on the scum having to fulfill certain conditions to use their NK, wouldn't it be equally as likely that a town vig would also have the same condition? Also, wouldn't scum want everyone to open all the doors to find the weapon storage? You should be suspicious of anyone who wanted all the doors openned as well.

I have a problem with 1 and 2.

One(1) claims you are not claiming vig.
Yet Two(2) uses a soft-vig claim for your defense.

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Also, there are two scum scenarios that you pointed out based on my POV.

1. Scum goes into weapons storage, to get a weapon.
2. Scum tries to open all doors to find weapons storage.

You are correct that both hinges on the assumption that night actions need triggers found in the rooms. However, consider the town scenarios that were presented.

A. A vig needs to get into the weapons storage, to get a weapon.
B. Town tries to open all doors to find something useful.

I can find B as an excuse for 2 acceptable. Just because nobody can tell one from the other, and it is very plausible that given that townies have a majority, most of us will fall under B than in 2.

However, A is quite a more unlikely scenario compared to 1. First, I have to assume all my suspicions on night actions are correct AND a vigilante exists. Looking at the number of people here, unless we are in for a very quick game, I really doubt there is a vigilante.

[Tenchi]

Question: How do kills happen in the Manga? Do they have to be like in the same room or do people wind up dead despite being alone in a room?

[Tenchi]

Let's create codenames for everyone so that MafiaMann can help us with stuff.

I want mine to be

"the guy with glasses"[/b].

Battousai, why did you move to Room number 7? Do you need an Evil Bunny mask to do your stuff?

Why did you post this question only to vote me after I answered? That implied that you had an acceptable answer in which I could have responded. What could I have said that would make you not want to vote me?

Good question. But I believe I can use a rhetorical question in my arguments just like you did in one of your posts.

The truth of the matter is I suspect you already just because you went straight into that room.

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Here's the deal. From what I am seeing from those who read the manga, I think scum will be able to kill no matter what is in the room. So I will leave my Battousai case for now.

I have another proposal. If you think that a room would trigger an important ability, then you should stuff yourself into that room. If you are vanilla, you can mask other powered up Townies moving into that room as well, making a Power role NK trickier. Or maybe if you have an ability that needs to be triggered, stuff yourself into that room ASAP, then hopefully a Townie covers and moves into the room. Or maybe you move into some other person's room, helping another different powerrole, then moving into your real room that already contains another person... etc. etc.

(I guess that's how WIFOM helps town?)

So let's do this!

Tenchi opens Room Number 9

Tenchi moves into Room Number 9

Tenchi leaves Room Number 9

[Tenchi]

Mod: Does Room 15 and 16 have locks?

[Tenchi]

Then it looks like we will be needing more keys...

Volunteers?

[Tenchi]

He asked a question (now claiming it was rhetorical), got a reply, then voted me. If he wasn't looking for something, he would have voted in the first post and not after I answered.

So you mean I should have voted for you in that same post to imply that I was not waiting for a "correct" answer and for me to note that that question was in fact a rhetorical question?

And heres the deal: Remember, you were the one also who brought the (remote) possibility of having a vigilante in this game. In my perspective, I suspect you of stuffing yourself there because you, as scum, needed to be there. The "power role needs to trigger their abilities so they need to be in their room" thing is a newer concept for me.

[Tenchi]

Yes, at the time you suspected me of that. Which is why I think you not voting me then instead of asking a question only to vote me after I answered is suspicious.

*rolls eyes*

[Tenchi]

It is appropriate: here's why. You are voting for me because:

(1) I should have voted for you at the same post as when I posed the question, since it was meant to be rhetorical.
(2) I am "rolefishing" because I was hoping you would say "OMG IM A VIGILANTE". (I mean cmon... Scum, Vanilla and roleholders would say, "I don't have a purpose of going in there.")

Point 2 proves my question is rhetorical . And I still stand by my vote where you... (1) of all the doors open, chose to jump into the Storage Room, instead of (a) waiting it out (assuming you really don't have a key) or (b) choosing another room.

Yes. I will continue to roll my eyes.

[Tenchi]

I won't go in circles. I have said my piece in my last post regarding that.

[Tenchi]

@MafiaMann - Batt really does have a good point, actually. It really does seem like Tenchi was looking for an excuse to vote Batt. I couple that with him then jumping wagons to vote PhilyEc then back to Batt, and it really seems like Tenchi is happy to just be voting someone, anyone.

Vote: Tenchi

I completely agree with you for once, Tenchi didnt ever want answers, he wanted a reason to vote for Batt and continue to pressure him. Tenchi you do realise how scummy that looks right? Why did you even ask Batt rhetorical questions if you'd already made up your mind on him?

Two things will happen here:

1. Either I say OMG I should have voted Battousai at the same time I said my question on him. You all vote for me.
2. I say nothing. You all vote for me.

Rhetorical questions are not meant to be answered. They are asked to drive a point:

my point being is that Battousai should have not entered Room 7.

That is my defense.

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And yes, I am looking for wagons. This is exactly why I (almost) singlehandedly grilled and argued with Philly, putting my neck out there. (Or maybe for a moment you would consider that I am actually trying to find scum here.)

[Tenchi]

I want to try something...

Tenchi goes to Room 9
Tenchi opens Room 15

[Tenchi]

Tenchi's Post 177 - Was the room that Battousai entered already unlocked and previously discovered or was he the first to enter it?

1. Philly Opened Room 7
2. ZazieR revealed the room was a Storage Room (lots of scary stuff)
3. Batousai moves into it.
4. I grill him.

Tenchi's Post 188 - Whose idea was it that room's trigger certain abilities? And vigilante...?

+ My original idea is: Scum needs stuff from Room 7 to perform a kill.
+ Batousai's defense is: A Vigilante might need to go into Room 7. (He brought the vigilante talk first I think) Found it: here is where he mentioned the vig thing: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 72#1719972
+ PaperPenguin revealed some spoilers about the manga that might tell how night actions work: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 28#1722628

[Tenchi]

Once again, Tenchi decides to use his bar code. He goes back to the bedroom, in order to open one of the locked doors there. He keeps his bar code in front of the scanner, and awaits the *beeb*
But no *beeb*
He tries again.
Again, no *beeb*
Once more.
Stll, no *beeb*

The next moment, Kreriov sees him using his head to hit the wall. With as result, Tenchi collapsing on the floor.
The lesson we''ve learned? Listen to the rules of Super Hot Chick, codename ZazieR!

*sigh* oh wells...

Tenchi leaves Room 9

[Tenchi]

Mod: Phily is voting Battousai, not me.

[Tenchi]

Mod: Phily is voting Battousai, not me.

Fixed now though >.<

Awesome Sexy hot chick mod

[Tenchi]

....he basically came up with a lame excuse to jump back to Batt. I am not saying the case against Batt is bad, it just seems more like opportunism to me on Tenchi's part.

My argument for suspecting Philly was based on a horrible misunderstanding of the situation and your case on him. If you read my initial suspicions of Philly, it was about him being dodgy/deflecting stuff + the same stuff I suspected Battousai for (going into Room 7).

I did not "change" my stance in the middle of the argument like you want to suggest. I did not make an "excuse". Rather, the original thoughts of me suspecting Philly was flawed, which makes the whole grilling of him, from me, flawed and invalid from the start. A responsible townie only should back off if that is the case.

[Tenchi]

And why are Myko and Tenchi both still alive?

What's the case on Mykonian?

[Tenchi]

Mykonian/Looker: can you explain the context of the post quoted by KMD above?

[Tenchi]

Oh. Yeah. Forgot about that.

I'm more concerned with the way Tenchi went after Batt. Looked too easy and forced.

Kind of a "Oh, look. Something weird happened. I'm gonna jump on this now."

Well, we gotta start somewhere.

You can at least give me props for getting discussion started, especially with relation to the rooms. :-p

[Tenchi]

"I was scummy, but now we are talking" is NOT a defense.

Nope. You are considering me scummy for pointing out things I notice instead of being silent.

[Tenchi]

I don't think Batt did anything scummy. He says he has no key, so it makes sense to follow someone into a room.

Night actions

don't depend on what room you are in during the day according to the rules.

Please quote the appropriate rules clause.

[Tenchi]

[quote="Tenchi]So what is your real reason for going to that door?

Following KMD's lead?
Because it is lucky?
Or because you are one lying lying sneaky weaponless scum looking for weapons?

'

please check what you are assuming with these questions.

a. the mod gave scum what is in which room.
b. phily is stupid because he doesn't directly go for his room, but talks first.

I think this solely makes your case unbelievable.[/quote][/quote]

That's why I withdrew my case on Philly ages ago. Again, that post what a product of me misunderstanding who opened which room.

[Tenchi]

this person is directing way too much. I doubt all his motives are town.

vote Penguin

WTH LOL?

If you disagree with what he suggests then refute it. I think leadership is (a bit) pro-town. And a null-tell at its worst.

[Tenchi]

Everybody should name where their key is located. So we can chop up the body and use the key (or whatever) if the flavour allows later. Just for safe measure.

I'm paranoid. Is there a reason why the key locations seem to be placed at different places (why they are quite hidden)?

[Tenchi]

Am rereading last two pages right now.

[Tenchi]

No, you are scummy for "noticing" crap. Batt's play wasn't scummy. Just different.

Not scummy? Then what do you think is his purpose for moving into that room?

I don't think Batt did anything scummy. He says he has no key, so it makes sense to follow someone into a room.

Now I ask you this. Of all the rooms that are open,

WHY THAT ROOM?

29* During the night, you’ll stay at the room you have last moved to during the day, with the exceptions of possible night actions.

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MOD: I honestly am confused. Please rephrase/give an example. Thanks.

Also, Batt's excuse for entering Room 7 is that he wanted to skip rope. I can understand someone being random but theres alot more appropriate places to act randomly than in a game where scum will be sneaking around rooms with the intension to create havoc. Room 7 is also the worst possible place to 'randomly walk into' so why the hell should we believe that he was just feeling random? It seems like a really bad excuse >.>

^ Listen to that guy

So from my previous post, if you feel my previous post is right and I am assuming you do for this question since you did not saying anything contrary, that means the only possibly explanation would be that you are assuming scum or vig need to go to that room. Is that right PhilyEc?

I wouldn't even think that a vig would need to be in that room. Evil bunny masks? Really? Pro-town?

Phily's Post 219 - What do you mean? How has Battousai been indirect?

Tenchi's Post 224 - Surely I can't explain the context, for only KMD can truly accomplish this, but I can state my opinion of it.

I'll read in a second, but the game is up and I have a non-random vote to make. That's right. No RVS for me.

btw, Hello KMD, Tenchi, Phily, nice to see you again!

and of course Looker. I hope will have fun this game (I promise I won't try too hard to get you lynched this time)

Vote Mykonian

. The only way you could make that promise is if you know Looker's alignment. The only way you know Looker's alignment is if you are scum. Myko is scum.

From my initial read, it looks to me that KMD makes a valid point. The only way that Mykonian

could

make this promise and still play to win would be if he knew my alignment; however, it is entirely possible that KMD is simply reading too far into this. Mykonian and I spent the entire game trying to kill each other last time and I believe it was to this that he was referring in that first post.

That is actually my concern in that argument. I worry that it is too far into the RVS. I would personally pass it off as a joke.

I'm seeing the move as random more and more now, I think you went in there just being playful ._. Dont do that anyway, if you aren't scum you're taking attention away from more appropriate suspects. You admit it was a bad move right?

Oh god... talk about sweeping the dirt under the rug. Scum coaching alert much?

and Tenchi does this more often, I think battousai, while having good reasons, shouldn't go for that. Tenchi seems his town self.

Don't use my meta in defending me. I don't need it.

But by pointing, you also voted. To me at least, pointing something else is not the same as voting.

And the only defense I have here is I should have voted for you at the same post as I have posted those suspicions?

Tenchi- Ztife suggests that everyone should go to the weapons storage... why haven't you expressed suspicion on that and instead focus on the keys?

I am paranoid as I have said. Especially with the key revelation. I do agree however with the staying together in groups of threes.

And yes, please do not deflect my attention on you to Ztlife. At least his entrance/proposal of going into the Storage Room had some form of logic into it (rather than say, a lame excuse like skipping rope).

But I buy this. I think it's somewhat odd that Batt is trying to shift the negative attention onto you, but it could be that he's just trying to highlight Tenchi's alleged selective attention.

^Listen to that guy.

(Selective attention? Maybe. Right now, the Battousai case is the best one I can think of, and makes sense for me.)

Tenchi's Post 257 - Tenchi, do you agree with Penguin's post?

Good question. I am using it as advice with a grain of salt. I think the mod would be dumb to copy 100% how the flavor story was originally told. So, it would be wise to assume that some elements of it are true, some are not. I think it has been a general consensus that Night Actions can be triggered by items/staying in their respective rooms and that doors render no safety from nightkills. But I am still cautious.

Let me rephrase it. According to the game, I did not pick up anything, was not given anything, I have not gotten an item. I said technically, because I didn't get anything even though I said I took the rope to jump rope (much like the way you molested super hot chick Codename: ZazieR.

Scum/Roleholder/Vanilla again would say the same thing.

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And I am baffled by Iecerint's flacor claim and Battousai's observation (I actually agree with him).

[Tenchi]

Don't use my meta in defending me. I don't need it.

Um. If his read on you comes from meta, why is he wrong to say simply that?

It is a pet peeve of mine. Unless it is random voting stage, I never use previous games as basis on how somebody should act. Nobody should too. I don't like such arguments.

[Tenchi]

So I guess the safe assumption is that we have power roles that need to be triggered by going into the rooms? Because from what I am seeing here is that we have people possibly masking power roles or the power role people are getting their powers or the power people are just waiting in the corridor.

I have a suggestion. How about we vote for the Towniest person and let that person decide on the groupings?

[Tenchi]

How bout no. As it is only D1, it could be easy for town to pick scum to decide groupings since they already would have the total scum members and convincing 3 or so others wouldn't be hard.

At least with my way there is no way scum could influence all of the groupings.

First of all, your suggestion is quite complicated. And whatever suggestion there may be (mine or yours), it will always have some scum manipulation into it. After all, somebody has to make a choice, and we are nowhere certain that those somebodies or that somebody would be Townies.

Now, my suggestion is hinged on the fact that most games start with a Townie lynch. Not to mention statistically speaking, it is easier to pick a Townie than scum (if you somehow decided to pick randomly).

Also, your attack on my suggestion assumes that:
1. Scum would vote together, and
2. One scum would vote for themselves.
If they do 1 or 2, they risk a high chance of being outed (see last point below).

Finally, this adds another layer of information. Scum will either pick the really towniest person out there, or risk being outed because they tried to weasel in their suggestion of voting for Person X. In other words, we all have to justify our votes.

[Tenchi]

@Phily: What was your rationale for making those trios (why group person A with Person B and C, etc.)?

[Tenchi]

Quick question, why are we grouping together in the first place?

Er... wasn't that part of your suggestion?

[Tenchi]

Mod: Personal life stuff. I swear I will be back in a few days.

[Tenchi]

Will review this game tomorrow.

[Tenchi]

335:

I think the two most suspect actions taken by players so far have been Kmd's focus on myko (which doesn't strike me as scummy so much as unusual) and Batt's vig soft claim (even if he afterward said it was intended to be hypothetical). I also don't know what to make of Kmd holing himself up in the Male Restroom. Batt's other behavior seems town to me, and the vig thing has already been dealt with, so I don't think badgering him would be productive.

Fair enough. I still find Battousai suspicious though, but I am willing to pursue other leads.

340: Interesting. Who leaves the room etc. But wouldn't it be best to put together people who find each other suspicious to make this more effective?

344: As far as I can remember, I suspect Batt for:

1. Going into the weapons storage room when there are other rooms open.

My suspicions still hold.

345: Iecerint summarizes how I feel:

" He's explained this as a playstyle; he likes to be aggressive with his best current lead. "

353: Looker, I have nothing more to add as far as I can remember. He did give the excuse that he might be a Vig needing something there, but I am not buying it. See below.

356: Paperpenguin reminds me of why I pushed the Battousai case: He never gave a clear answer why he picked that room. He did waffle around flavor. Although PP doesn't find it scummy, I still do.

358: Battousai, you are misunderstanding the timing of why I suspect you. We never talked about flavor before you went inside that room. The thing is, I see no possible intent on why the hell you would pick that room. Currently however, there has been consensus that it may be healthier that we all mask the power roles in gaining their abilities by everyone going into all the rooms.

Right now, I am still quite iffy by the proposal, but I am considering it. If I do fold and accept it fully however, that would be folding my suspicions of you.

Summary: I am firm with my decisions, but I am not close-minded.

360:

on page 4, tenchi comes with a crap case on battousai, and it is a subjective attack, mostly. It is about battousai not having a key.

MY CASE ON BATTOUSAI IS NOT ABOUT HIM NOT HAVING A KEY. KTHXBYE. (Read above.)

Also, you summarize my reactions to Battousai's defense and accuse me of not having any points AT ALL. Talk about selective reading! Sure I am arrogant at some of my reactions, but I always supported them with arguments. Instead, you took soundbytes from my posts!

361: I think I have answered some concerns on my stance in the Batt wagon given these new posts.

363: Good point by PhilyEC. It was interesting he didn't vote for me despite him calling my case weak or presenting no points for my vote/suspicions. Odd that he uses his "gut" to vote for KMD.

370: Interesting. Myk accuses KMD of being a Survivor with an NK.

388: Although you should unvote me :-p I think KMD makes a good point here, except #1:

Tenchi is away, unable to defend himself, and despite my suspicions, I am not really convinced he is scum. After reading everything, I am afraid I may be influenced by the fact that he has actually been very active and has actions to analyze.

Unvote

^This is a weak unvote.

1) Away or not, he's still scummy
2) "despite your suspicions", you aren't "convinced he's scum"? What's that even supposed to mean.
3) He only looks scummy because he's active?!? Um, what???

400: Fair enough reply by Kreriov.

406: Good point by Batt:

Not being able to say a player's name isn't much of a hindrance...

MafiaMann has no excuse to not participate. We have codenames remember?

408: Mykonian explains his vote for KMD vs his suspicions of me. Noting it here.

Tenchi is a player that tends to play with fire, like he does here. His things he said were scummy, but he took risks, something I consider town.

KMD does exactly the opposite. Tries not to stand out, but still be here. Brings little new, doesnt lead the game, like he likes to. Scummy behaviour for certain.

Phily: you are looking too much at prove, not at motivations. A player that takes risks, and stands out, is per definition more town. Check the meta on this site.

415: Now now... here is the thing. I am town, and has no partner etc. (not that it will change your minds but I am just thinking aloud here). Why would somebody would want to discuss their suspicion of me and not vote for me? In my POV, there is nothing to distance from. Now, could it be

A. They just find me suspicious but find another person more suspicious.
B. They are scum but wants to preserve me for
B1. a later lynch
B2. a frame up in case they bus the person who "distanced" from me.

I'm thinking...

423

I also think it's a little weird that you won't let anyone into the bathroom with you, flavor aside.

Also, is Batt aware that he's locked in the Crime Scene Room with Looker?

I'm not complaining

I don't know what it could imply but it should be interesting.

Now here's another thought for EVERYBODY:

If we lock each other in groups, and the owner of the key dies, then how do we get out? Or should we stay in those rooms?

[Tenchi]

I am actually still feeling out other people right now. The only thing suspicious I have seen so far (or I can remember on top of my head) is Mykonian's soundbyting of my case, then not voting for me.

I reread what I wrote and I do understand that it lacks more insight. However, the notes where I said "interesting" is something for me to review/reread because I am really not sure about them.

[Tenchi]

I think Batt's comment is just a joke about the flavor of being locked in a room with someone of indeterminate gender and the mod. On that note, given that your suspicion of Batt is based around his Storage Room entry, why aren't you suspicious of Phily for deviating from Kmd's room assignment plan? IMO both players have offered plausible-if-not-excellent explanations for their behavior (respectively, no key -> has to go into some room, random apart from that, [extra]-soft-vig claim if that doesn't satisfy you; and having misread in-thread).

I find Phily not suspicious because for him to open up the storage room, he had to know what was behind Room 7. I doubt anybody was given any room information in this game. His deviation here is what I would call really random, which I find acceptable.

Batt's "random" picking was not random. He had the information on what the rooms contained, but went to room 7. Hence, I find him suspicious.

[Tenchi]

Myko: Who was your primary suspect? Can you briefly explain your case against him/her?

[Tenchi]

Back tomorrow.

[Tenchi]

I am sorry that I have been busy for the past few weeks. After wednesday, it will be better.

Anyway, I will be taking questions (I don't have the luxury of rereading right now and tomorrow). I will be checking back quickly tomorrow.

[Tenchi]

Mod: Replacing out. New job. Sorry