Mini 808 - Rabbit Doubt Mafia: Over!

[Kreriov]

@PhilyEc - /sigh What part of 'you would be better of by not posting' was not clear?

We are supposed to take your word it was a random room based on your lucky number? I said I am inclined to believe you, but you just will not shut up and let me or anyone else decide. I have made no assumptions, that is part of the problem. I DO NOT ASSUME you are telling the truth or that you are lying. I DO NOT ASSUME that you knew or did not know what was in that room. Hell, I do not even assume you knew KMDs plan! YOUR statements indicate you read KMDs post. Your spin on it is definitely to your favor if beleived, but that is all it is, your spin! You still clearly read KMDs post. YOU say you missed the part about opening rooms by player number. How convenient for you! YOU explained, you spun, you did everything under the sun except actually take the time to go back and see what I was talking about. The first thing you do when I question why you opened door 7 when you should have opened 10 is attack me, mischaracterizing my post. Indeed, it takes 3 or 4 more posts of you tap dancing around before you finally say 'Hey, I understand now. I screwed up. I missed the part about open specific doors.' Great, wonderful, but why the hell did you not go back and re-read right then? And you keep on arguing that its poor logic! It is NOT poor logic. It is a statement of fact. You did indeed do these things. Now the rest of us have to decide if we think WHY you did these things is nefarious or a mistake. Let us do it!

[Iecerint]

1) If I lock it now, I'll either lock myself inside with Battousai or else lock him in the room while I remain in the corridor. Battousai must leave my room >.<

I think you can only close doors from the inside. Maybe this is a mechanic to prevent doors from becoming permanently inaccessible (assuming that mafia have a means of breaking into locked doors overnight, as otherwise we could just hide in separate rooms and break the system)?

I find Phily's argument that he could have waited for Player 7 to open said door persuasive at this time. MafiaMann, player 7, had not yet opened door 6. I am inclined to believe at this point that Phily made a mistake. On the other hand, I find Battousai's quick vig soft-claim, not to mention his dash for the confirmed weapons room, comparatively troubling.

Vote: Battousai

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I speculate that there are mechanisms for more barcodes to be found, perhaps on a daily basis. Is there a precedent for that in the manga?

I agree with the suggestion that we should lock our doors and require discussion should players desire access to our rooms.

Iecerint closes door 8.

[Kreriov]

Ah, thank you for reminding me lecerint.

[Kreriov] closes door [10]

[PhilyEc]

Does anyone else see that my interogater is telling me not to answer? You keep saying I shouldnt have answered after making posts directly towards me. You want your case to go undefended? You want to appear completely in the right or something? Go to hell

Dude, I'm done answering your questions. You're just accepting your own opinions above any answers I give. You seem to be the only persons so far that doesnt get that it was an honest mistake.

[Kmd4390]

KMD, do you wanna keep watch over him together in the toilet tonight? (sounds so wrong)

I'd prefer if we all stayed in our own rooms for tonight, but he has no room..

I know how the scum are going to WIFOM us and I can't think of any way to avoid it..

I don't think where we sleep affects our night actions, since the mod did say that we would all sleep on an unlocked room.

I missed that part. >.<

Tenchi,

-your case on Batt is crap.
-what is wrong with WIFOM?
-How was that a slip
-If scum don't know each other, you're the one who just slipped. (Myko is your buddy if this is the case)

Why do you answer for him, when he is so far away from a lynch?

I'm not answering for him. I don't like it when people have a problem with WIFOM. And Tenchi's point about scum not knowing their buddies is only valid if Tenchi is scum who doesn't know his buddies. The only part of the case itself that I address is the fact that it is crap.

@Kreriov
Wait so, you'd have voted for whoever got the storage room? How does that make me scum? Sorry but if this was an actually issue someone would've brought it up ages ago.

I picked number 7 because its lucky. Quit reaching. +scum points

He has a valid point. You didn't

actually

"follow my lead" like you said you were. And you got the weapons room instead of an empty room in doing so.

Oh, I didnt know he was doing it by number. I just followed his lead by picking a door like he did. Thats what I meant by it. Are you sure he implied we were suppost to pick the door out number in Mod's list gave?
Anyway, thats my bad but KMD didn't seem to mind afterwards.

I thought I was pretty clear about that.

I never even noticed you didn't pick the right room.

It is still a good start I believe. How about you? Have you tried looking for scum today?

Yeah. I already found two. You and Myko.

Too much and too obvious usage is scummy. Hell, I personally believe that WIFOM, by itself, is the best scum weapon.

If used properly, it's useful for town as well.

Hold up a sec. I didnt notice KMD wanted to organise who picks what doors. I went at a door as he did, that was what I meant by following his lead. Feigning ignorance? If I were scum and knew storage room was there, I wouldnt have gone for it RIGHT AFTER KMD pointed out what he wanted people to do concerning who picked which door.

You would if you acted like you didn't see my plan.

IF I was scum I'd have let whoever number 7 is open the door and done what Battousai did, run inside. (During twilight phase preferably) I'd also lie about having no key so i'd have an excuse for not picking my own door. Yes I'm fucking reflecting here because Im saying exactly what scum would do

Nah, that would be too obvious. It would be better to go to it when everyone thinks you have no idea what it is.

Phily, would you be willing to sleep in room 10 tonight?

Ok. I thought KMD was in Room number 7 and you just went into Room number 7.

>.<

[Kmd4390]

[Kmd] closes door [1].

[PhilyEc]

Nah, that would be too obvious. It would be better to go to it when everyone thinks you have no idea what it is.

Phily, would you be willing to sleep in room 10 tonight?

Sure, Ill go check whos in there [opens new tab] ... Ew.

He has a valid point. You didn't actually "follow my lead" like you said you were. And you got the weapons room instead of an empty room in doing so.

Because I followed your lead by opening a door, I hadn't read your room by order thingy but I did see your movement in big bold letter. Excitied, I followed your lead and opened A door too.

[Kreriov]

@KMD - Oh, I like your rebut of his logic that he could have let MafiaMann (Player 7) open the room. I did not think of that scenario.

@PhilyEc - Of course you should have answered. You should have answer immediately, truthfully, and without the mischaracterizations. You did not. Once you finally did, your answer (that you made a mistake) is out there for all to see and discuss. Unless there is more to add, there is no need to say any more. Let that discussion happen. It will anyway. Are you suddenly going to change your story for some reason? Are you suddenly going to say you really did know where the weapons were but since your the vig you needed to get in there? (Those are rhetorical and sound a little familiar, so do not feel like you need to answer.) I promise I will remove my vote if a wagon builds and I am not convinced that you are scum. I am not convinced right now, just suspicious and thinking that this discussion is useful.

[Iecerint]

as otherwise we could just hide in separate rooms and break the system)

Just realized that this is no good, since at least one player doesn't have a barcode. I think the point it was supporting (just set-up speculation) is unaffected, though.

Does anyone else see that my interogater is telling me not to answer?

I think his point was that he had already agreed that you had probably just made a mistake. Since this was the best you could have done under the circumstances, it was in your best interest to drop the issue. I believe this applied regardless of your alignment, so I don't think your subsequent indignation is a tell. Please let me know if it is apparent that I have missed something crucial about your altercation.

[Tenchi]

Tenchi,

-your case on Batt is crap.
-what is wrong with WIFOM?
-How was that a slip
-If scum don't know each other, you're the one who just slipped. (Myko is your buddy if this is the case)

Why do you answer for him, when he is so far away from a lynch?

I'm not answering for him. I don't like it when people have a problem with WIFOM. And Tenchi's point about scum not knowing their buddies is only valid if Tenchi is scum who doesn't know his buddies. The only part of the case itself that I address is the fact that it is crap.

This is exactly why I don't like WIFOM. I shouldn't have addressed the statement if I found it to be WIFOM. My mistake here was replying and assuming based on a WIFOM statement.

Anyway, my meat of the Battousai case is not because somebody knows their scumbuddies or whatnot. Battousai went into the Weapons Storage room. I want a decent explanation. He doesn't have one, or he claims to be a vigilante. He also doesn't have a key, which is kinda odd.

[MafiaMann]

Close door to whatever room im in

Ok people I think maybe some people should stay in the same rooms because i have a feeling that you can only be protected by lets say a doctor if you are in a room with them and such. This also would make roleclaiming cop a bad idea because then mafia would know who the doctor was by whoever moved in with the cop.

[Iecerint]

Ok people I think maybe some people should stay in the same rooms because i have a feeling that you can only be protected by lets say a doctor if you are in a room with them and such.

Assuming that some second player doesn't have an ID, this will happen inevitably.

[Kreriov]

@Tenchi - Yes, it is odd but it is part of the manga. It is pretty much expected that at least one of us does not have a bar code. I think it is a null tell, actually, because even though in the manga the guy missing a key was town aligned, that does not make it so here.

I do not like Battousai moving into the room and then soft claiming maybe, that is for sure.

And on that, I am out of here. I doubt I will have a chance to check in again until Wed morning, but then I have probably reached the post tolerance level with most of you anyway

[Battousai]

dang dang dang!!! ergaa...

I had a pretty long post full of quotes and responses/questions that I was copying/pasting when I switched pages. I forgot to paste this last time and I copied something else and erased it. I will have to do it from memory real quick like.

1) I believe I never claimed to be vig. I said not saying I am, not saying I'm not.

2) Tenchi- If you believe your theory on the scum having to fulfill certain conditions to use their NK, wouldn't it be equally as likely that a town vig would also have the same condition? Also, wouldn't scum want everyone to open all the doors to find the weapon storage? You should be suspicious of anyone who wanted all the doors openned as well.

I've explained why I picked 7, its a lucky number. Battousai's explaination is that he wanted to skip rope...

How is a lucky number more likely than wanting to skip rope?

Battousai moves to room 3

Got bored skipping rope, now I'm going to see if I can find any research in the library.

[Iecerint]

Battousai moves to room 3

Got bored skipping rope, now I'm going to see if I can find any research in the library.

Have you missed the beginnings of a consensus around not allowing open access to rooms in the spirit of promoting discussion, or do you think that discussion doesn't apply to you because you don't have a key?

[Battousai]

Whats the difference between standing in a corridor and standing in the library that was openend by someone else?

And the beginnings of a consensus is not a consensus.

And I don't understand how me going into the library would prevent me from promoting discussion.

[Iecerint]

Whats the difference between standing in a corridor and standing in the library that was openend by someone else?

Presumably, standing in the corridor is completely innocuous. Going into the library seems more innocuous than going into the storage room, but still carries the possibility of activating effects (unpleasant or otherwise). For all I know, there's a scene in the manga where a character enters a library and discovers his/her dark past and goes crazy. Discussion might have brought this to light and affected your decision to enter the library.

To everyone: have any players yet claimed familiarity with the source material? If so, do the rooms yet revealed remind you of anything?

And I don't understand how me going into the library would prevent me from promoting discussion.

That's an interesting point. Coupled with your comment about the lack of a consensus, am I to infer that you do not believe that it is currently wise to restrict access to our rooms?

[Battousai]

If a room is open, I don't see any harm in going into it.

[PhilyEc]

Dude, I'm done answering your questions. You're just accepting your own opinions above any answers I give. You seem to be the only persons so far that doesnt get that it was an honest mistake.

You should have answer immediately, truthfully, and without the mischaracterizations. You did not.

You got some sort of lie detector rigged buddy? Its on the fritz. I've been overly honest. I have nothing to hide. I've made clear the thought process I made during the event and still you cling to the notion that I used the word 'lead'. It seems generally accepted by most players that I simply made a mistake.

Now then, since Battousai has left my room;

PhilyEc moves to Corridor

(moving out of room 7)

PhilyEc locks Room 7 from the outside

PhilyEc bangs on Room 10's door

Hmm, closed. Convieniant.

[Iecerint]

PhilyEc locks Room 7 from the outside

I doubt that this will resolve as you seem to think it will:

doors can only be closed from the inside.

I believe "closing" and "locking" are synonymous. To keep your room secure, you have to hide out in it.

[PhilyEc]

PhilyEc locks Room 7 from the outside

I doubt that this will resolve as you seem to think it will:

doors can only be closed from the inside.

I believe "closing" and "locking" are synonymous. To keep your room secure, you have to hide out in it.

Then the rooms gunna be accessible by everyone tonight if I dont lock it from the inside...since I have as much access to weapons tonight ill be fine with guarding them by locking out the rest of the group <_<

Anyone have a better idea? Oh and someone open the door in the storage room, I'm getting way too curious for my own good...

PhilyEc opens Door 7

*automatic entrance as Mod pointed out earlier*

PhilyEc closes Door 7

I'm inside alone now >_>

[Iecerint]

I don't think they can open the storage room door while you have the storage room door itself locked.

[Tenchi]

1) I believe I never claimed to be vig. I said not saying I am, not saying I'm not.

2) Tenchi- If you believe your theory on the scum having to fulfill certain conditions to use their NK, wouldn't it be equally as likely that a town vig would also have the same condition? Also, wouldn't scum want everyone to open all the doors to find the weapon storage? You should be suspicious of anyone who wanted all the doors openned as well.

I have a problem with 1 and 2.

One(1) claims you are not claiming vig.
Yet Two(2) uses a soft-vig claim for your defense.

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Also, there are two scum scenarios that you pointed out based on my POV.

1. Scum goes into weapons storage, to get a weapon.
2. Scum tries to open all doors to find weapons storage.

You are correct that both hinges on the assumption that night actions need triggers found in the rooms. However, consider the town scenarios that were presented.

A. A vig needs to get into the weapons storage, to get a weapon.
B. Town tries to open all doors to find something useful.

I can find B as an excuse for 2 acceptable. Just because nobody can tell one from the other, and it is very plausible that given that townies have a majority, most of us will fall under B than in 2.

However, A is quite a more unlikely scenario compared to 1. First, I have to assume all my suspicions on night actions are correct AND a vigilante exists. Looking at the number of people here, unless we are in for a very quick game, I really doubt there is a vigilante.

[PhilyEc]

I don't think they can open the storage room door while you have the storage room door itself locked.

I know, I'm just making sure the doors closed until someone offers to check out that door in the storage room.

[Tenchi]

Question: How do kills happen in the Manga? Do they have to be like in the same room or do people wind up dead despite being alone in a room?