Dichotomafia- Games Over

[the silent speaker]

Why are you disregarding everyone else?

I'm not, yet. Hence the "let's see what happens" part. I'm looking for reactions.

We lynched scum didn't we? I can't see how outing a fake claim can be a bad thing.

Yeah, but not because of flavor text issues. My point was that it isn't easy to trip up someone on flavor text most of the time, but scum might probe townies for theirs to better forge their own.

[the silent speaker]

dp to clarify: we lynched scum, but not because of flavor text. And asking for flavor text isn't that likely to out a fake claim because blah blah and furthermore blah.

[Mgm]

You can say what you think, but I probably wouldn't have put the final vote on STD if it wasn't for his suspicious flavor text.

Besides, isn't it all irrelevant for village events? What happened to STD is town business.

[Norinel]

Norinel, could you please update the front post and remove FD from it?

Where? I only see "Mastermind of Sin (Replacing Flying Dutchman)" in both alive lists.

[Mgm]

My mistake, I wasn't fully awake when I wrote that.

[Save The Dragons]

Vote MGM

I don't think you've been awake all day.

[Mgm]

Does that automatically mean you don't see any merit in my plan?

[halfpint]

Hey guys.

I'm sorry I've been awol. I have been out of town all week at a conference, and while I asked mathcam to post in all my games that I would be out of town, I forgot to list this one (as I am replacing in this one and forgot).

I'm actually still out of town (staying at a friend's house, and he is letting me use his computer). I'll be back tomorrow ... I'll read through things then. I'll probably have to read through things a couple of times considering it has been a little hard for me to follow along. I'll post something on Sunday (or maybe tomorrow night if I'm not too tired).

[Save The Dragons]

Now it's my turn to be tired. Which plan? People claiming?

[halfpint]

Does that automatically mean you don't see any merit in my plan?

Hi. I'm trying to get caught up here. Can you please explain what plan you are talking about? And why are you so sure that Nanook is innocent (post 1024)?

[Mgm]

Yes, I mean the claiming plan I suggested a few posts back. This is also where I said that I believe Nanook is already investigated. I'm not sure Nanook is clean, but I think changes (s)he is are considerable. Who would your random investigation go to in a werewolf game? The same thing happened to DP in Dragon Phoenix Mafia on the GL.

Anyway, I said all that, go back and just read the full rationale I wrote down earlier.

[Norinel]

Uraj45 replaces KingEnigma.

Quick & lazy

Vote Count

Mgm- 2 (the silent speaker, Save The Dragons)

Not voting- everyone else

5 to lynch

[Mgm]

dp to clarify: we lynched scum, but not because of flavor text. And asking for flavor text isn't that likely to out a fake claim because blah blah and furthermore blah.

Since he's high on my list of suspects, let's see if asking his flavor text will out a fake claim.

Vote:TSS

FOS: Silent players

[Mastermind of Sin]

Argh, I've been FOSed!

At this point, I have no opinion either way on MGM or TSS simply because I don't know what's going on. I need to reread their posts for this game to see if I can pick something up. If possible, would someone be willing to mark out the date and time that each day started and ended and perhaps what page it was on? This would make rereading their posts much easier for me, and I'd be able to return with a response sooner.

[Mgm]

Norinel has done that on the first post of the game.
And all you really need to read is my plan (a few posts back).
I prefer to have some opinions on that before we go into night.

[ralphmerridew]

Well, MGM, personally I don't see why I should consider you or Nannok to be a more likely innocent than anyone else; would you care to give your claim first?

[halfpint]

Norinel has done that on the first post of the game.
And all you really need to read is my plan (a few posts back).
I prefer to have some opinions on that before we go into night.

Well, it's hard for me to formulate an opinion on your "plan" (which all I can ascertain from it is that you want me, MOS, and TSS to claim). You haven't answered my question about why you think Nanook is innocent, and personally your statment of

I'd also be happy to claim myself if required

gives me scummy vibes. In general, innocent people aren't happy to claim as it gives scum more information.

Fos: Mgm

[NanookTheWolf]

Halfpint, MgM has explained why he has found me innocent .. You remember the investigation on me? I don't know if there was one or not but that was his explanation in post #1035.

Let me just speak in my defense here even though I'm not entirely on the line. I want everyone to take a moment to think here, and just imagine how I could be making choices in this game, when I've been absent for two nights, and 3 days. I asked for replacement, never was replaced, but later asked to come back in the game.

I'm going to have to look back over the rest of this day here to determine my

Just think about that one.

If you all want me to claim, that's fine, but whether it would be worth it or not is something that you'd have to decide after the deed is done. I will not claim however unless half of the majority of the town asks me to. I know that I am being pretty aggressive here, but I want this game over as much as the next. If it takes a sacrificial claim from me, then so be it.

[halfpint]

Thanks for the info Nanook. I did read that a couple of times, and promptly forgot it each time. I guess I just don't think that is a very strong line of reasoning to think someone is innocent.

[halfpint]

Thanks for the info Nanook. I did read that a couple of times, and promptly forgot it each time. I guess I just don't think that is a very strong line of reasoning to think someone is innocent.

Wait, was there an actual investigation on you or did Mgm just suppose there was? Now I'm confused and will have to go and try to find this information out.

[NanookTheWolf]

I didn't say that it was a stong line of reasoning .. just that he did answer your question.

[Mgm]

those who are publicly uncertain:
Mastermind of Sin / FD
Mgm
the silent speaker
halfpint (Replacing silgado106)
NanookTheWolf

those who I consider cleared:
PeaceBringer - good by willows_weep
Save The Dragons - vig (almost certain)
ralphmerridew - Mason (not challenged by Talitha)

I'm not identifying anyone else in my mason lodge for now.

I think that we could win the game on this end with a few well-placed claims. I think we only need one more wolf who was associated with Coron and Fishbulb, and according to ralphmerridew we've got 5 suspects left (though I'm not sure how STD killing Speedy clears him/her of being an SK)

I know I'm innocent and I believe Nanook is too. And if those assumptions are correct that would leave us with 3 suspects (MOS, halfpint and TSS).

I'm pretty sure it would help the town if any other masons came out to shorten the suspect list and I'd also be happy to claim myself if required.

Is it really that hard to read back a few posts and think? I stated my reasons clearly and it would be hypocritical to ask others to claim and not be willing to myself.

Yes, claims give scum info, but it gives town info too. And with only 1 more werewolf (assumption) to track down, I think we can afford it. Why hold claims and info back when they can win us the game?

[Mgm]

Of course, it could a SK too.

Funny how you're still alive with such a name. On the other hand, I expect that probably caused you to be investiagted early on. (Just like DP in Dragon Phoenix Mafia on the GL)

And here's why I

think

Nanook is innocent. Of course, I could be wrong, but I prefer to give a good look at people I don't know a single thing about than people on who I can at least speculate.

[Mastermind of Sin]

So far I've gotten through Day 2, and I've picked up that TSS was quite instrumental in getting votes for Wacky, since he provided the reasoning, yet he never once voted for Wacky on that day, and spent most of the day voting for myself (FD) with less reasoning than he had for Wacky. I'll let you know if more stuff catches my eye as I keep reading.

[Mgm]

So far I've gotten through Day 2, and I've picked up that TSS was quite instrumental in getting votes for Wacky, since he provided the reasoning, yet he never once voted for Wacky on that day, and spent most of the day voting for myself (FD) with less reasoning than he had for Wacky. I'll let you know if more stuff catches my eye as I keep reading.

Even more reason to bandwagon TSS. I'm keeping my vote.