Mini 808 - Rabbit Doubt Mafia: Over!

[ZazieR]

MOD

: How do we go about investigating these rooms...?

By entering a room. Walking through a room only to go to a next one doesn''t count as entering as you only go through it to enter another room. If you''ve found an item, you''ll be notified through PM

[ZazieR]

1) Kmd4390
2) mykonian (1) - Kmd4390
3) Wolf (1) - PaperPenguin
4) Ztife (1) - Looker
5) Looker
6) Iecerint
7) MafiaMann
8) Kreriov
9) Tenchi (2) - Battousai, Kreriov
10) PhilyEc

11) Battousai (2) - Tenchi, Iecerint

12) PaperPenguin (1) - Mafiamann

Not voting (4) - mykonian, Wolf, Ztife, PhilyEc

With 12 players alive, you''ll need 7 votes to lynch.
Green indicates closest to lynch.

Room 1: Male Restroom - Kmd4390
Room 2: ???

Room 3: Library - Wolf, Battousai, PaperPenguin, Ztife

Room 4: ???
Room 5: ???
Room 6: Dark Room - Mafiamann

Room 7: Storage Room - PhilyEc

Room 8: Great Hall - Iecerint

Room 9: Bedroom - Kreriov

Room 10: Empty Room
Room 11: ???

Room 12: Crime Scene Room - Looker

Room 13: Exit Room - mykonian

Room 14: ???

Black means that that the door is open.
Red means that the door is closed.
Room 14 is in darkred, as it's its door in a different room, which got locked by Iecerint. So nobody, except for Iecerint (who can't use his barcode on it) can get to this door. So nobody can open this door until Iecrint unlocks his door.
Then there's purple. Room 7 also had an extra door in it. This one was opened by Mykonian. As Mykonian didn't leave this room when PhilyEc closed Room 7 and as Mykonian's door isn't locked, both Mykonian and PhilyEc can still move between these two rooms.

Corridor - Tenchi

NOTE: When you open a room, you''ll automatically enter it.

[Looker]

Hmm, now I have Super Hot Chick all by myself...

Looker closes Room 12

Let's see what we can make out of all of this...

[mykonian]

I do not have a key.

Hey, I read the manga, and the only person that didn't have a key was the main character. How this will affect the game though, I don't know. Anyway, I guess I should do something useful now.

Wolf opens door number 3

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battousai probably read it too.

- Somebody should probably lock the room with all the weapons as soon as possible. It seems like a place for the mafia to pick up abilities.

- Heck, we should lock all the rooms. So now, if somebody want's in on somewhere, they have to ask permission first. It prevents people from doing what Battousai has just done, and it leads to much more discussion, and with discussion: there might be some information.

- Did the mod just give us a hint that Myconian has turned into some sort of monster? I think so.

- There are locked doors behind locked doors! Let's slow down with the opening, since we probably don't have enough to open everything.


I will comment on Battousai later, maybe. If I'm not feeling lazy.

this person is directing way too much. I doubt all his motives are town.

vote Penguin

@Kreriov
Wait so, you'd have voted for whoever got the storage room? How does that make me scum? Sorry but if this was an actually issue someone would've brought it up ages ago.

I picked number 7 because its lucky. Quit reaching. +scum points

QFT

[quote="Tenchi]So what is your real reason for going to that door?

Following KMD's lead?
Because it is lucky?
Or because you are one lying lying sneaky weaponless scum looking for weapons?[/quote]'

please check what you are assuming with these questions.

a. the mod gave scum what is in which room.
b. phily is stupid because he doesn't directly go for his room, but talks first.

I think this solely makes your case unbelievable.

[PhilyEc]

please check what you are assuming with these questions.

a. the mod gave scum what is in which room.
b. phily is stupid because he doesn't directly go for his room, but talks first.

I think this solely makes your case unbelievable.

Tenchi didn't realise I was in the room because I opened the door, at the time he thought KMD opened the door & that me and Batt skipped on inside.

[mykonian]

I'll read in a second, but the game is up and I have a non-random vote to make. That's right. No RVS for me.

btw, Hello KMD, Tenchi, Phily, nice to see you again!

and of course Looker. I hope will have fun this game (I promise I won't try too hard to get you lynched this time)

Vote Mykonian

. The only way you could make that promise is if you know Looker's alignment. The only way you know Looker's alignment is if you are scum. Myko is scum.

you actually meant this? No, it is because I have in short time aggressively pursued the lynch of Looker twice, while she was town. Last time she threatened she would talk to me , and we don't want that, do we?

and Tenchi does this more often, I think battousai, while having good reasons, shouldn't go for that. Tenchi seems his town self.

[Tenchi]

[quote="Tenchi]So what is your real reason for going to that door?

Following KMD's lead?
Because it is lucky?
Or because you are one lying lying sneaky weaponless scum looking for weapons?

'

please check what you are assuming with these questions.

a. the mod gave scum what is in which room.
b. phily is stupid because he doesn't directly go for his room, but talks first.

I think this solely makes your case unbelievable.[/quote][/quote]

That's why I withdrew my case on Philly ages ago. Again, that post what a product of me misunderstanding who opened which room.

[Tenchi]

this person is directing way too much. I doubt all his motives are town.

vote Penguin

WTH LOL?

If you disagree with what he suggests then refute it. I think leadership is (a bit) pro-town. And a null-tell at its worst.

[Battousai]

"I was scummy, but now we are talking" is NOT a defense.

Nope. You are considering me scummy for pointing out things I notice instead of being silent.

But by pointing, you also voted. To me at least, pointing something else is not the same as voting.

Battousai's Post 232 - Do you feel as if everyone is turning against you or

tunneling

in on you? If so, you should express this and assess those whom are both stating suspicions of you and voting you. There could lie the scum. That is, of course, if you, yourself, aren't scum and your fellow partners aren't bussing you.

And you must understand it's hard to believe someone right off the bat, so, usually, I would think it necessary to continually press an issue if you are suspicious of it. But speaking of, when you entered the Storage Room, what was that item that you picked up?

It's too early to really gauge if anyone is tunneling in on me, but more than one person has expressed doubts about me, and that is where that posts comes from. I “technically” didn't pick up anything.

Let's create codenames for everyone so that MafiaMann can help us with stuff.

I want mine to be

"the guy with glasses"[/b].

Battousai, why did you move to Room number 7? Do you need an Evil Bunny mask to do your stuff?

Why did you post this question only to vote me after I answered? That implied that you had an acceptable answer in which I could have responded. What could I have said that would make you not want to vote me?

Good question. But I believe I can use a rhetorical question in my arguments just like you did in one of your posts.

The truth of the matter is I suspect you already just because you went straight into that room.

Vote: Tenchi

You could have voted me in the first post instead of asking a rhetorical question. This implies to me that you were trying to get me to say something in which you could infer that I have a powerrole.

So you're voting Tenchi because you believe him to have been fishing for your alleged "powerrole"?

I think he was trying to get information out before voting me. If you read my post:

Tenchi FOCUSED on that single reason, while assuming with no basis that scum had to go there to use their NK, without even considering any other reason, which is a scumtrait to focus on the scummiest thing someone does to get them lynched. That is why I brought up the fact he asked me a question, got a reply, and didn't care and voted me. He wanted me to say something that could possibly hint at me being a powerrole. Plus there is the sideeffect of looking like you aren't just pushing the scummiest reason.

I'm seeing the move as random more and more now, I think you went in there just being playful ._. Dont do that anyway, if you aren't scum you're taking attention away from more appropriate suspects. You admit it was a bad move right?

Nothing is a bad move until it causes a loss. Who knows what this can/did lead to.

I do not have a key.

Hey, I read the manga, and the only person that didn't have a key was the main character. How this will affect the game though, I don't know. Anyway, I guess I should do something useful now.

Wolf opens door number 3

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battousai probably read it too.

Honestly, the first time I read the wiki on it was when I said their could be an unlimited amount of scum due to hyptnosis. And for a reason for you to believe I'm not lieing about the key is that EVERYONE except me has used their key, I believe. That means that unless there is only one scum, the scum have keys as well as the town.

[Ztife]

Alright, I have read the manga, here are some strategies I believe we can use to help find the wolf.

Regarding the room type flavour, I believe certain rooms have important events to trigger.

The dark room caused a post-restriction. This might be just flavour related, there might be something else to it, but as far as the manga goes he shouldn't have anything else to it.

Storage room is where the main character actually got a weapon to defend himself. If anything, I believe everybody should go into the storage room. This will more likely trigger a vig ability or 1 self save or whatever sort of ability rather than giving the wolf a kill. It makes little sense for wolf to be able to NK only after going into this room.

Library is where one of the characters found a clue. It might be a good idea for all of us to visit there once. Especially the cop.

As for choosing who to lock ourself up with, I believe for N1 we should stay in groups of 3s. This is because we will probably be able to see the wolf leaving the room if we stick together (the wolf can open all doors, but in order to kill he will need to leave the room right?). And assuming there is 2 wolfs (in a typical 12 man setup, maybe even 3), this is the best way to group ourself for N1. So we know who left rooms or whatever. Or at least have a look at N1 flavour before deciding something else.

Assuming Phily is left alone in his room. We wouldn't know if he left the room to kill somebody at night eh?

If assuming rooms totally do not affect night actions regardless, that we can't watch anybody's back or whatever, the best idea would be everybody to visit every room once, since there should be more town abilities we can trigger from than wolf NK ability. At least, that's the way it seems to make more sense to me.

[Ztife]

Oh yeah, one thing I forgot.

Everybody should name where their key is located. So we can chop up the body and use the key (or whatever) if the flavour allows later. Just for safe measure.

[Tenchi]

Everybody should name where their key is located. So we can chop up the body and use the key (or whatever) if the flavour allows later. Just for safe measure.

I'm paranoid. Is there a reason why the key locations seem to be placed at different places (why they are quite hidden)?

[Battousai]

Tenchi- Ztife suggests that everyone should go to the weapons storage... why haven't you expressed suspicion on that and instead focus on the keys?

[Iecerint]

Back from V/LA

I'm not certain how much I like Battousai's defense of what I found most suspect about his action ("that he was just giving alternate, hypothetical town explanations for his behavior beyond 'no reason'" and "how quickly he mentioned a vig," respectively), but I don't think there's anything to be gained from pressing the issue further at this point.

Unvote

I'm not sure what to make of some players seeming to believe that locked doors have no effect except to optionally block door access during the day. "Possible night actions" implies that some night actions are NOT lock-proof IMO. I guess it's possible that the door locks are red herring, but I doubt it.

I like Ztife's post a lot:

It makes little sense for wolf to be able to NK only after going into this room.

I agree, unless the room locations are arbitrary (e.g. Mod has a list of the order in which rooms are unveiled such that the Storage room was pretty likely to be opened on Day 1 anyway). But I buy this. I think it's somewhat odd that Batt is trying to shift the negative attention onto you, but it could be that he's just trying to highlight Tenchi's alleged selective attention.

As for choosing who to lock ourself up with, I believe for N1 we should stay in groups of 3s. This is because we will probably be able to see the wolf leaving the room if we stick together (the wolf can open all doors, but in order to kill he will need to leave the room right?). And assuming there is 2 wolfs (in a typical 12 man setup, maybe even 3), this is the best way to group ourself for N1. So we know who left rooms or whatever. Or at least have a look at N1 flavour before deciding something else.

This method/implicit theory also sounds good to me, as it hypothesizes a function for the rooms given that they don't affect power-roles' efficacy.

[Iecerint]

Oops, forgot to move about as per reasonable suggestions:

Iecerint opens door number 8 (Great Hall).
Iecerint moves to the corridor.
Iecerint moves to room number 3 (Library).
Iecerint moves to the corridor.
Iecerint moves to room number 9 (Bedroom).

I'm finishing in room 9 because it fits my flavor slightly better than the other rooms, but I have no other reasons for approaching that room. I'm entering room 3 on the way because of Ztife's suggestion that we may find clues upon entering it.

[Iecerint]

EBWOP: Ah, ignore my first movement. I missed the Mod's note that opening a door is tantamount to entering it. My intent was to specify that I was unlocking door 8 before entering the corridor.

[Looker]

Mykonian's Post 255 - We never did have that talk, btw. I believe the fact that you turned up town proved tantamount to that decision...

Tenchi's Post 257 - Tenchi, do you agree with Penguin's post?

Battousai's Post 258 - Sorry, I was unaware we were beginning a game of semantics. So you "triggered"?

Ztife's Post 259 -

Looker leaves Room 12, enters Room 9, INVESTIGATES Room 9, leaves Room 9, enters Room 3, INVESTIGATES Room 3, leaves Room 3, enters Room 12, and closes Room 12. Looker also molests the still super hot bod of Super Hot Chick Codename: ZazieR

We'll see what this gets us.

Foam...?!?

Ok. I thought KMD was in Room number 7 and you just went into Room number 7.

My bad.

Vote: Battousai

LOL Kinda.

Battousai is suspicious still in my book all this time. However, I thought you were accusing/deflecting onto Battousai when "the fact" WAS you did the same thing. (I thought KMD opened Door 7. Battousai went in. And then you went and pranced into Door 7. Then with the way you defended yourself (which again I took out of context) I thought you were a worse liar) So I questioned you about that.

Sorry about that.

How is Battousai suspicious in your book? What did he do?

[Battousai]

Let me rephrase it. According to the game, I did not pick up anything, was not given anything, I have not gotten an item. I said technically, because I didn't get anything even though I said I took the rope to jump rope (much like the way you molested super hot chick Codename: ZazieR.

[Iecerint]

MOD

: How do we go about investigating these rooms...?

By entering a room. Walking through a room only to go to a next one doesn''t count as entering as you only go through it to enter another room. If you''ve found an item, you''ll be notified through PM

Clarification Question -- I recently left room 8, entered room 3, then entered room 9. It is my understanding that I have therefore investigated rooms 8, 3, and 9. Is this accurate (as I have entered all the rooms), or not (as I didn't end any posts in room 3)?

[ZazieR]

Looker leaves Room 12, enters Room 9, INVESTIGATES Room 9, leaves Room 9, enters Room 3, INVESTIGATES Room 3, leaves Room 3, enters Room 12, and closes Room 12. Looker also molests the still super hot bod of Super Hot Chick Codename: ZazieR

We'll see what this gets us.

You don''t need to include that you investigate a room.
But you do need to open the door:

Hmm, now I have Super Hot Chick all by myself...

Looker closes Room 12

Let's see what we can make out of all of this...

Also, Super Hot Chick, codename ZazieR, is not a usable object!

[ZazieR]

MOD

: How do we go about investigating these rooms...?

By entering a room. Walking through a room only to go to a next one doesn''t count as entering as you only go through it to enter another room. If you''ve found an item, you''ll be notified through PM

Clarification Question -- I recently left room 8, entered room 3, then entered room 9. It is my understanding that I have therefore investigated rooms 8, 3, and 9. Is this accurate (as I have entered all the rooms), or not (as I didn't end any posts in room 3)?

You investigate a room automatically when you enter it. So you have investigated rooms 8, 3 and 9

[mykonian]

move to the storage room, close the exit room

[ZazieR]

move to the storage room, close the exit room

Rooms can only be locked when you are inside that room

[PhilyEc]

PhilyEc moves to Corridor
PhilyEc moves to Room 3
PhilyEc moves to Corridor
PhilyEc moves to Room 9
PhilyEc moves to Corridor
PhilyEc moves to Room 12 but smacks his face off the door.

ow.. Also, I like Ztife's suggestions. For Night Phase we'll all have to get into groups of three thus using 4 rooms. Any suggestions on which rooms they should be?

Note: Room 7 is open to anyone now

[Iecerint]

For Night Phase we'll all have to get into groups of three thus using 4 rooms. Any suggestions on which rooms they should be?

Note: Room 7 is open to anyone now

I agree with the spirit of Ztife's suggestion, too, but are you (and Ztife) implicitly promoting NL today?