Mini 808 - Rabbit Doubt Mafia: Over!

[Tenchi]

@Phily: What was your rationale for making those trios (why group person A with Person B and C, etc.)?

[Battousai]

Quick question, why are we grouping together in the first place?

[Tenchi]

Quick question, why are we grouping together in the first place?

Er... wasn't that part of your suggestion?

[Iecerint]

Quick question, why are we grouping together in the first place?

I think it was based on speculation from Ztife that we might receive notices that a roommate left the room during the night.

[Kmd4390]

So I guess the safe assumption is that we have power roles that need to be triggered by going into the rooms? Because from what I am seeing here is that we have people possibly masking power roles or the power role people are getting their powers or the power people are just waiting in the corridor.

I have a suggestion. How about we vote for the Towniest person and let that person decide on the groupings?

If you are scum, you are looking for power roles and telling us that one of your scumbuddies is doing a good job of looking protown. Noting this for future reference.

I suggest the following trios. IF someone gets lynched then one trio becomes a pair.

How were these trios chosen?

Also,

Unvote, Vote Tenchi

. Scummier than Myko and more likely a lynch.

[Kreriov]

I guess one set of groupings is as good as another.

Kreriov moves to room 9

[Looker]

Phily's Post 323 - I lack the mental capacity (and time and patience) to adeptly assess this situation, so if anyone sees any problems with these pairings, please don't hesitate to point them out.

Ztife? Hopefully you have no reservations about bunking with Icerint and I?

[Battousai]

Quick question, why are we grouping together in the first place?

I think it was based on speculation from Ztife that we might receive notices that a roommate left the room during the night.

Thought so. How unbalanced is that? I guess we can try it for the first night, but I am highly doubtful that it will actually work that way.

I guess we can go PhilyEc's way for tonight.

The players who are still alive

:
1) Kmd4390 - Room 1: Male Restroom
2) mykonian - Room 13: Exit Room
3) Bitchibee

Wolf

- Room 3: Library
4) Ztife
5) Looker - Room 12: Crime Scene Room
6) Iecerint - Room 8: Great Hall
7) MafiaMann - Room 6: Dark Room
8) Kreriov - Room 10: Empty Room
9) Tenchi - Room 9: Bedroom
10) PhilyEc - Room 7: Storage Room
11) Battousai
12) PaperPenguin

Room 1
1) Kmd4390
2) mykonian
3) Bitchibee Wolf

Room 12
4) Ztife
5) Looker
6) Iecerint

Room 9
7) MafiaMann
8) Kreriov
9) Tenchi

Room 7
10) PhilyEc
11) Battousai
12) PaperPenguin

[Iecerint]

Quick question, why are we grouping together in the first place?

I think it was based on speculation from Ztife that we might receive notices that a roommate left the room during the night.

Thought so. How unbalanced is that? I guess we can try it for the first night, but I am highly doubtful that it will actually work that way.

My theory is that both certain scum and certain power roles will run around at night, which makes it a little more ambiguous with respect to the balance issue (pending knowledge of who actually moves around at night).

I'm not sure that Ztife's model is accurate, but I do think that sleeping locations will have an effect on the game, and I don't think it's that scum may only kill those that room with them (as flavor suggests the master wolf has a master-key). The other possibility I can think of is that it affects what players certain power roles may target with their abilities, which also probably makes sleeping in small groups a good idea.

Do you have an alternate theory? Maybe there's a more obvious function I've not considered.

[Kreriov]

Well, it is wonderful that we are taking time to consider what to do during the night. Never hurts to plan ahead. However, we do have to actually get there at some point. Maybe we should talk about who we think is scum?

[Iecerint]

I like the Tenchi wagon better than those prior, but I also think he's one of the most active players, which can produce the appearance of scumminess where none exists. I'm sensitive to this because I was recently lynched as town in a similar situation.

I think the two most suspect actions taken by players so far have been Kmd's focus on myko (which doesn't strike me as scummy so much as unusual) and Batt's vig soft claim (even if he afterward said it was intended to be hypothetical). I also don't know what to make of Kmd holing himself up in the Male Restroom. Batt's other behavior seems town to me, and the vig thing has already been dealt with, so I don't think badgering him would be productive.

[ZazieR]

1) Kmd4390
2) mykonian
3) Bitchibee (1) - PaperPenguin
4) Ztife (1) - Looker
5) Looker
6) Iecerint
7) MafiaMann
8) Kreriov

9) Tenchi (3) - Battousai, Kreriov, Kmd4390

10) PhilyEc
11) Battousai (1) - Tenchi
12) PaperPenguin (2) - Mafiamann, Mykonian

Not voting (4) - Wolf, Ztife, Iecerint, PhilyEc

With 12 players alive, you''ll need 7 votes to lynch.
Green indicates closest to lynch.

Room 1: Male Restroom - Kmd4390
Room 2: ???

Room 3: Library - Bitchibee, PaperPenguin

Room 4: ???
Room 5: ???

Room 6: Dark Room
Room 7: Storage Room - PhilyEc, Mykonian
Room 8: Great Hall
Room 9: Bedroom - Kreriov
Room 10: Empty Room - Iecerint

Room 11: ???
Room 12: Crime Scene Room - Looker, Battousai

Room 13: Exit Room - Ztife

Room 14: ???

Black means that that the door is open.
Red means that the door is closed.
Room 14 is in darkred, as it's its door in a different room, which got locked by Iecerint. So nobody, except for Iecerint (who can't use his barcode on it) can get to this door. So nobody can open this door until Iecrint unlocks his door.
Then there's purple. Room 7 also had an extra door in it. This one was opened by Mykonian. As Mykonian didn't leave this room when PhilyEc closed Room 7 and as Mykonian's door isn't locked, both Mykonian and PhilyEc can still move between these two rooms.

Corridor - Tenchi, Mafiamann

NOTE: When you open a room, you''ll automatically enter it.

[ZazieR]

Activity check coming up

[Iecerint]

EBWOP: Ztife's barcode location fishing was a little weird, too, but I think whether that was scummy will be easier to judge once we have a better idea of how the first death plays out. We can throw in my soft flavor claim for completeness, I guess.

[ZazieR]

PaperPenguin will get prodded. Ztife gets prodded tomorrow morning if he hasn''t posted by then. The same goes for Bitchibee

[PhilyEc]

@Phily: What was your rationale for making those trios (why group person A with Person B and C, etc.)?

I think it was based on speculation from Ztife that we might receive notices that a roommate left the room during the night.

This ^

I agree with Ztifes opinion on how we should approach nightphase.

How were these trios chosen?

Directly from mod's player list. I just put each 3 players into a room one of them had access to.

[MafiaMann]

I dont like anyone person trying to dictate where people stay seems like a textbook scum tactic

[Ztife]

Ztife moves to Corridor
Ztife moves to room 6
Ztife moves to room 12

Where anybody stays shouldn't really matter, I don't really care about who is with who, as long as there is more than 2 person in one room. 2 person in one room might possibly be both scum and this will throw off usefulness of testing our theory. Thus, I don't really see a problem if the result is 4 or even 5 people in one room. Since the whole point is to test is we are able to observe who left the room at night on N1.

As with what iec said, tenchi is being really active, which is probably one of the reason why he is drawing all the scum attention. However, the repeatedly weak arguments bothers me. (voting for batt for "picking up a rope", voting phily for trying to add into discussions)

Batt, what do you think about the possibility of Tenchi being scum?

[Ztife]

Btw since im in the crime scene room, am I allowed to strip the corpse Super Hot Chick, Codename: ZazieR, to look for a barcode?

[Looker]

Kreriov's Post 334 - Excellent idea, Kreriov. The bandwagon is currently on Tenchi; however, Tenchi is voting Battousai. Because of this, I would say that they are both cast under scrutiny. I've attempted to recollect the posts stating the logic utilized for these votes and if they still hold, if they still believe them to be viable reason to believe the other is scum, I'd have no problem lynching one of them.

Ztife's Post 343 - I was informed, much to my disappointment, that Super Hot Chick CodeName: ZazieR was not a tool; therefore, I would deduce that we can't use her for anything...excluding explicit eye candy.

Let's create codenames for everyone so that MafiaMann can help us with stuff.

I want mine to be

"the guy with glasses"[/b].

Battousai, why did you move to Room number 7? Do you need an Evil Bunny mask to do your stuff?

Why did you post this question only to vote me after I answered? That implied that you had an acceptable answer in which I could have responded. What could I have said that would make you not want to vote me?

Good question. But I believe I can use a rhetorical question in my arguments just like you did in one of your posts.

The truth of the matter is I suspect you already just because you went straight into that room.

Vote: Tenchi

You could have voted me in the first post instead of asking a rhetorical question. This implies to me that you were trying to get me to say something in which you could infer that I have a powerrole.

VS

Ok. I thought KMD was in Room number 7 and you just went into Room number 7.

My bad.

Vote: Battousai

Do these still hold true? Are these still viable votes?

[Iecerint]

(voting for batt for "picking up a rope", voting phily for trying to add into discussions)

I believe he voted for Phily for breaking from Kmd's method of our selecting our rooms and consequently ending up in the Storage Room (Phily claimed he didn't notice Kmd's selection method and just chose lucky number 7; Kre started this wagon), and he voted for Batt because he chose Phily's Storage Room to enter in spite of other options being on the table, which he thought might suggest a need to find a weapon to kill (Batt claimed the choice was random -- flavor-wise, that he wanted to jump rope -- and pointed out that a vig would hypothetically also have a motivation for entering said room).

I think those were both very reasonable discussions, so I don't fault Tenchi for that. What I find more suspect is that he didn't seem to incorporate their explanations into his interrogation, which may have tunneled him in more than is advisable for Day 1. He's explained this as a playstyle; he likes to be aggressive with his best current lead.

[Iecerint]

myko, could you elaborate about your vote on Penguin?

[Battousai]

Looker add what you posted in 344 with my post number 30 (when singled out to just my posts). That is the main reason for me to vote and to keep my vote on him.

[mykonian]

myko, could you elaborate about your vote on Penguin?

mykonian will, after reading the thread, something that he will do, and finish tomorrow. Probably.

[ZazieR]

Btw since im in the crime scene room, am I allowed to strip the corpse Super Hot Chick, Codename: ZazieR, to look for a barcode?

As already stated, Super Hot Chick, codename ZazieR, is not a usable object!