mini 814: OVER!

[Henrz]

Uhh? Random Vote?

Vote: Droid

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[Henrz]

Uhh? Random Vote?

Vote: Droid

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1.Why are you unsure?

To anyone who feels like answering:

2.What is your opinions on the random voting stage?

3,Why did you pick this game in particular?

4.Who do you expect to be the first person to be lynched this game, and why?

5.Who do you want to be lynched first this game, and why?


Thank you for your time.

1. I wasn't I just generally think about confirming before doing a RV, which didn't happen.
2. It's good.
3. A random choice, and Droid just happened to be passing by in the game :p.
4. Droid.
5. Because I will[/sarcasm] :p. But as everyone's said it's too early.

Atleast you didn't ask this in the middle of day 1, like Santos did...

[Henrz]

Is there any point to that game?

[Henrz]

Ye, I agree, but I have nothing to say really... I tend to play exactly the same if I'm Town, or if I'm Scum, so it's really hard to tell with me.

I don't really see what's so suspicious about that post, except he's basically saying that he's bad at playing town...

[Henrz]

I've prodded her .

[Henrz]

Anyway, we should probably get an RC, just to stimulate activity and what not... (Droid). :p

[Henrz]

Hai Tarballs, we really need to spark some activity in here, it seems like everyone has forgotten...

[Henrz]

Ye Droid does suck when trying to find loopholes *Cough*Genghis Kahn*Cough* and also dies a lot when he plays aggressively. But he is changing (slightly).

And the response to the Random vote... Doesn't really help...

Unvote Vote: Henrz

. Discuss.

[Henrz]

Well, made activity .

Unvote

. Even though it was a weird method, you can see who is actually looking at the thread from who has posted, which is most people, which is good. I did the selfvote because I thought we needed to start something to get out of the RVS, I hope we can leave it behind.

And Hernz, wouldn't it be better to do something a little more constructive and not . . silly to spark conversation?

Yes, but it seems to have worked none the less, I've managed to actually get most people posting in the space of less than a day, when it took ages just to start off.

Yeah, self voting just draws attention to yourself, which is not pro town.

Right, I'm suspicious of this, albeit I may have brought it upon myself he added nothing, and it seemed like Scum trying to bandwagon in the hope that I'd get speed lynched by someone else, and then blame it on them.

I'm also suspicious of Locke a tad, mainly because of reasons I stated before (bar the no adding anything).

On to Starbuck, who didn't vote for me. Yes, selfvoting indicating you want to be lynched is stupid, but I don't think it's against the spirit of the game, since selfvotes are merely voting, self voting for a lynch, as I stated earlier, is bad because, if you survive, you'll be put under a lot of pressure to provide evidence as to why you did what you did, and stuff.

Making a random vote, and not just any vote but a selfvote, 4 pages into the game doesn't help us progress, so therefore he is obviously stalling the game on purpose. On the other hand, this will cause people to vote him for that anti-town play, which quite possibly will help us leave the RVS behind.

I think it does help progress, seeing as nothing was happening, if you looked at the timescale so many posts in nine days, which isn't really much considering your own game in the same timescale nearly double as many posts have been made so I really don't see it as stalling progress, more making the progress start. And yes, it will help us to leave the RVS behind, that was my main intention, along with activity. On the contrary to the anti-town play statment, I don't believe this to be anti-town play, I would consider it more neutral play.

Unconventional methods sometimes work best for stuff like activity, which is why I did it, regardless of whether it would draw attention to me or not, I think I have explained my actions slightly, if anyone has more questions, please voice them.

[Henrz]

What's wrong with it?

[Henrz]

The goal of this game is not to vote for yourself. It's to decipher and solve and find out who the scummiest people are.

Voting for yourself is anti-town. It's a stance I will always take because it is against the spirit of the game.

But voting himself stimulated discussion; stimulating discussion helps us find scum, so self-voting (in this situation) is pro-town.

Exactly!
Ok, generally I would agree with you Starbuck, voting for yourself is generally bad, but in this case it has basically kickstarted the game and lead to discussion because of a single action. Ask yourself, what do you think would've happened if I didn't self vote, if we just continued with nothing happening, desperately trying to start something without doing anything drastic. That would be against the spirit of the game, because there would be no game to have the spirit for (if that makes sense ). That's why I said selfvoting is a very neutral thing, it can be used for both bad and good.

(3) Where did DNW disappear? Also, it is, in retrospect, quite odd that DNW didn't actually answer her own questions. One would expect to begin by providing her own answers, or at least provide them at some point during the game.

I'd call that ironic, but yeah, we should get her to answer her own questions seeing as we've all answered them ourselves.

[Henrz]

Not really, anything that works is good play I think.

[Henrz]

Stop using other accounts... Firstly, I never said I don't like the RVS we just needed to get out of it, and secondly what does the RVS got to do with voting myself?

[Henrz]

There's better things we could be doing that will bring better results.

Such as?

[Henrz]

Monkey, eventually I'm going to try and get you replaced, just REMEMBER TO CHANGE YOU BLOODY ACCOUNT!!! And I think self-voting is neutral (generally) and I stick by that.

[Henrz]

1.I didn't ignore him at all.

2.There ARE much better ways to stimulate conversation.

3-1.The fact that someone would place a vote on themselves is completely against the way Mafia is played.3-2. If you want to think me suspicious for this, fine. I really don't care.

4.The fact that you have nothing else on me other than the fact that I think self-voting is wrong is pretty scummy on your part.

1.You're right, you didn't ignore me, you just ignored the

good consequences

from it.
2. Please name them and if it would've helped as much. Basically, I took the initiative, you didn't, if your other ways are so amazingly good, why didn't you use them?
3-1. You still haven't supplied any evidence as to why it's against the game, so. Why is it against the spirit of the game, Starbuck?
3-2. You should care if people are suspicious of you, in my books, not caring is more against the game than self-voting.
4. No, I don't think it's scummy on his part, I think it's scummy on your part not looking at what it's done to the game.

1.Self-voting should never be used.

2.We just need to agree to disagree and move on.

1. I disagree.
2. No, we should not move on, we should question you on your actions, if we find the answers suffice, we will postpone the argument, until suspicion dawns on you again, then we may well re-ignite the argument.

[Henrz]

Wow Droid, quite the tunnel vision you have there.

Uhh what does tunnel vision mean?

[Henrz]

Well... Unless Starbuck IS scum...

[Henrz]

Is everyone up for lynching Monkey tomorrow (depending on if Starbuck is scum or not)?

[Henrz]

Ye... I see your point, because it's not like Monkey is the greatest player in the world, but, I think it does confirm him a tad more, because why would he cut himself off?

[Henrz]

Wait, so I wasn't on the Starbuck lynch because I didn't want a speed lynch? That's some weird logic... And it's true, there are players better than you in this game, which they could've cut off just as easily, but it may well just be a coincidence, so I'm not putting it for you to much. Also you do realise why I self-voted, to get out of the RVS and to get some god damn activity... What's so hard about that to understand, everyone else seems to accept that, but you don't why not? Give more reasoning that "I still don't like it".

[Henrz]

Is everyone up for lynching Monkey tomorrow (depending on if Starbuck is scum or not)?

I don't quite understand what the meaning of this question was. Were you willing to just go and speedlynch MonkeyMan if Starbuck had flipped town?

That question is still without an answer.

Oops, sorry, In answer. Kinda yes... But, I was meaning like after his defence, not before, and even then maybe not, but yeah, I kinda was. Bus NOT a speedlynch.

[Henrz]

Uhh, what IS a silencer?

[Henrz]

Yeah, sorry I'm away at the moment and can't get much connection to the internet, I must've forgot to say, I'll post on Saturday (when I get back).

[Henrz]

I agree you need some more input from me, so therefore I'ma going to analyse, and it will be very througher.

[Henrz]

Okie Dokie, right I'ma going to start with Locke

DNW: my point was that it didn't need to be probed. Starbuck missed the line that said the questions were for everyone, saw it later and decided to answer them. It wasn't that he'd deliberately avoided answering them (or if he did, he lied about it, which you have no way of knowing anyway). That's why I thought it was a bit of a pointless question and the beginnings of an unfounded attack. If he'd said 'I don't want to answer the questions' then changed his mind, it would have been more relevant.

Right this is Locke's first defence of who we now know to be scum, Starbuck, albeit it was only a slight defence of a largely pointless (in my view), which is why I would take this as a first offence (kinda). Now this doesn't look like much if it's just on its own, like it is. But...

Other people have commented that I generally come off as pro-town, so I'd say that's a fair comment.

On Hernz's self vote: not really sure what it was he thought we'd discuss; Tarballs pretty much covered the main points. Backing up Droideka and then self-voting seems a little odd to me, especially at this stage of the game.

Unvote; Vote Hernz

Hernz: were you referring to my vote when you said the random vote doesn't really help? It wasn't random; admittedly there wasn't a big case behind it, but I did have a reason for it.

Right this; is one of my main reasons for concern, I didn't really give it much thought at the time but thinking about it it is quite a large offence. Putting someone who had just done one thing at L-1 so quickly without basically anything backing it up (mainly because we thought that he genuinely didn't see it and Monkey was a better candidate and other stuff). It could easily be a scum slip and then as soon as you realised that you might get outed early on, you quickly unvoted, then voted the person before you, which took a lot of pressure of yourself.

And then basically all of P5 you were defending me (kinda) which I think, after just voting me then unvoting, is a bit of backtracking, and I dont really like that (I could give an example but all you need to do is look)... But then of course he went and Voted Starbuck and such which lead to his lynch. And I'm going to post each person in a different post, because I nearly lost this . And I don't want to lose it when I've done EVERYONE. (So don't think I'ma picking on you Locke :p).

[Henrz]

Right, Monkey/Kitty next (Although mainly Monkey because Kitty hasn't posted much yet).

I have an idea...we could play "Two Truths And A Lie"...nice icebreaker game...people post three statements, two of which are true, and one of which is false, and people try to guess which is the false one. For example...

I've played in the marching band of a Rose Bowl game.

I'm a Taurus.

I have two middle names.

Right, it looks like here (I know it's a while back ) he's doing off topic things to make the game go out of the RVS OR just to stall it which it was, we may never know, but the game stalled anyway until my Selfvote, so...

You weren't encouraging random

voting

, per se, but you did encourage going back to random and idle discussion, which cannot develop into anything useful.

I think the current line of questioning of Starbuck is rather useless and superficial, and you don't know that my ideas of discussion is useless...

This is defending Starbuck here (kinda) because he's saying it's useless the argument against her and that his game is better, which seems kinda weird to me because questioning is better than playing something COMPLETELY off-topic.

Yeah, self voting just draws attention to yourself, which is not pro town.

Vote: Henrz

This is just a blatant Bandwagon, no reasoning AT ALL and he gave 0% Evidence to support what he'd done, he didn't even say "I agree with Tarballs" or something like that, just, it's scummy.

Unvote; Vote: MonkeyMan

I didn't notice that he'd voted for Hernz when I did. I don't see how drawing attention to yourself is not pro-town in itself. Still got my eye on Hernz and Droideka now that Droideka has defended Hernz too, though.

Drawing attention to yourself is not pro town because it is not scum hunting.

This is just weird, so therefore in a sense he's meaning that if you don't scum hunt in every post, you're scum, it doesn't go right AT ALL.

I didn't know she was at level one. I was just voting for who I thought was scummiest. I didn't see the Hertz vote going anywhere and I'm trying to help the town.

Generally, I would call BS on that, but as Spinach said, there was no Votes to lynch, so it could easily be an honest mistake (and a good mistake at that) that's why I think he Almost CERTAINLY isn't scum, which also means that Kitty isn't scum.

Well, for now, here's my reads on people (in alphabetical order):

Fluffy = leaning town
Henrz = slight town
Locke Lamora = leaning town
ODDin = neutral
Spinach = neutral
Tarballs = slight scum

I've had kind of a busy day today, so I don't have much more than that. (More stuff coming later, though.) In general, though, I think this game is off to a great start, and I'm really liking the discussion. =]

I know it probably means nothing but... You kinda changed me in the spur of the moment .

Well, I'm half done. I'll go ahead and post the first half.

Locke Lamora:
He scumhunts, asks good questions, and gets discussion going. Haven't noticed any scumtells from him.
Read: Leaning town

Fluffy/DNW:
The more I think about it, DNW seemed like he voted a bit early. Either he is really excited about getting out of the RVS, which makes sense, or he was bussing Starbuck, which also makes sense. Fluffy doesn't seem to have really contributed anything; I get somewhat of an active lurking vibe from him.
Read: Neutral (but if I had to lean either way, I'd say slight scum)

Henrz:
Hmmm, he confuses me a little. He joined the site in April '09, so I suppose he's kind of a newbie, so that might explain some of his actions. I think the self-vote was a null tell, but he's said some things that sound weird and he seems to be lurking.

Uhh? Random Vote? Vote: Droid.

1.This seems awkward.

Ye, I agree, but I have nothing to say really... I tend to play exactly the same if I'm Town, or if I'm Scum, so it's really hard to tell with me.

2.Avoiding the question?

Oops, sorry, In answer. Kinda yes... But, I was meaning like after his defence, not before, and even then maybe not, but yeah, I kinda was. Bus NOT a speedlynch.

3.Why so uncertain? >.>

Read: Slightly Scummy

But anyways.
1. Well, funnily enough that was my first first post EVER in a mafia game and my first theme on MafiaScum so I wasn't to sure how you do it here, because I know that the playstyle differs A LOT between places.
2. It was never a question.
3. I don't think I was uncertain, I was just trying to mask it with "confusion" because I knew it was really the wrong thing to say (although the truth).

[Henrz]

Hmmm... I'ma being away for like 2 weeks, but I should have a reasonable amount of internet access, but no big posts can really be expected. This is also kinda against Tarballs:

Also, while we're on the topic of Tarballs, I realized something.
I realized that (from the nightkill) the mafia have another goal in this game: to hamper communication.
Then I looked at the nightkill. They were obviously trying to isolate someone, and they could do it in two ways:
a) Kill Droid and isolate Monkey. (the outcome)
b) Kill Tarballs and isolate Hernz.

So I have a question: Why was option a chosen over option b? Could Tarballs be scum, rendering option b impossible? I know it seems... far-fetched, but I'd just like to throw it out there while we're talking about him.

Just to say that again but I don't really think it's very much info at all, anyways I'ma going to be travelling today and tomorrow so DEFIANTLY no access then. And Spinach, your fate may easily not be decided the majority could change to someone else. That's defeatist.

[Henrz]

... I missed out half my post (well not half).

But even so I do think that you are the best lynch candidate

Vote: Spinach

just don't expect me to unvote tomorrow or the day after. "I'ma going to be travelling today and tomorrow" it's Tomorrow and the day after, I just mucked it up.

[Henrz]

Well, it seems that I couldn't get connection... I'ma look through everything I'va missed.

[Henrz]

KittyMo, Hernz, Fluffy:

What do you think of ODDin's slip at the end of the last day?

I don't think anything of it really, and if it is anything, then it most certainly isn't a case against him.

In regards to the Tarballs/Spinach response stuff some of those things do look rather silly now that you look of them, this line particularly amused me:

He then hints that the reaming scum may have a role. Interesting...

I'd be surprised if there were

any

players here without a role.

[Henrz]

Whoops... I really suck at this activeness... Sorry... Really sorry, but I had some uber power cut like 5 days ago that lasted ages, so yeah, you wanted me?