Newbie 810 - Game over!

[12Keyblade]

VOTE: 12Keyblade

For holding up the start of the game.

FYI, I confirmed b4 TheFlyingGreenMonkey.

Vote: reverendpsycho

We don't need a Serial Killer (Psycho) in a Newbie Game!

Good luck to all! (Except the scum. They can go die in a hole)

[12Keyblade]

Oh, and I have questions!!!

BlueRaven

: Do you believe anything can be gleaned from anyone's random vote? Why?

geekalicious

: Do you think it would be a good idea to lynch quickly on Day 1? Why?

KittyMo

: Do you follow a "Lynch all Lurkers" policy? Why?

krauthammer

: Do you follow a "Lynch all Liars" policy? Why?

reverendpsycho

: Do you believe anything can be gleaned from anyone's random vote? Why?

ronnieroo

: Do you think it would be a good idea to lynch quickly on Day 1? Why?

TheFlyingGreenMonkey

: Do you follow a "Lynch all Lurkers" policy? Why?

xRECKONERx

: Do you follow a "Lynch all Liars" policy? Why?

Yes, I copied and pasted. My document with brilliant questions disappeared.

[12Keyblade]

FYI, 12Keyblade, I think the moogle avatar is cool. And I'm not sure on my policy about quick lynches yet. This is my first mafia game, and I just really want to ride it out and see how things go.

Thanks. Never played IRL or online?

[12Keyblade]

@12Keyblade
Neither, actually.

Ah. So a real newbie then. OK, I'll accept this for now.

[friendlyadvice] Might want to reread some old newbie games, or others. Get an idea of what people consider a "stupid idea."[/friendlyadvice]

[12Keyblade]

Even though I only have to answer the one that was towards me, I'm going to go ahead an answer them all.

Oh, and I have questions!!!

BlueRaven

: Do you believe anything can be gleaned from anyone's random vote? Why?

I actually do think that you can gather info from someones "random" vote. Some votes that are "random" are actually not random, but are carefully worded to make it look like they are. This way if a bandwagon is formed on a townie, the person can go back and say "They followed a random vote." And if no one jumps on the bandwagon they can say "It was just a random vote" Thus, yes I think some info can be found in "random" votes.

geekalicious

: Do you think it would be a good idea to lynch quickly on Day 1? Why?

I think there should always be a lynch on day one. This way you get some imformation that you can go on for day two. Do I think it should be quick? No, I don't.

KittyMo

: Do you follow a "Lynch all Lurkers" policy? Why?

No. I prefer that lurkers are replaced.

krauthammer

: Do you follow a "Lynch all Liars" policy? Why?

I tend to not believe people in a game after they've lied once. You lie once... and I'm not going to trust anything you say for the rest of the game. So yes... I guess in a way I do, but in a way I don't.

The Qs beneth here are repeats... I cut them out to save space.

So far I see alot of voting with no reason. I know this is normal for day one, but I still dislike random votes.

I would like to ask a question now.

Everyone:

What is your general play style and how many games have you played before? (If you've played lots I just need a quick estimate 20+, 50+. 100+, etc)

My answer would be: I'm a more serious player. I don't like random votes (particularly after day one) I post only when I have something useful to say. I tend to answer all questions. I've played 50+ games on various forums.

@12Keyblade: Would you answer your own questions?
[/b]

I like you! I've played exactly one game online. IRL, over 50 (it took self restraint not to put OVER 9000!!! Oh, wait. Crap.)

My playstyle consists of careful thinking and interrogation [sic].

Why yes, I will answer my own questions!

#1: I think that 98.7% of the time, random votes are random and off-the-wall (I h8 yer avatar, your name haz too mane Z's, etc.) However, if a bandwagon takes off from a random vote, either a scum player was the first and third vote, or they were second and third.

#2: I concur that there should always be D1 lynches. I don't think they should go within hours, but as much info should be gathered as possible before lynch occurs. So 2-2.5 weeks is fine, but not much longer.

#3/4: I lightly follow Lynch all Lurker, and blatantly follow Lynch all Liars.

(BTW KittyMo, I'm reading that game. Basically to metagame you and xRECKONERx.)

[12Keyblade]

@12Keyblade

#1: I think that 98.7% of the time, random votes are random and off-the-wall (I h8 yer avatar, your name haz too mane Z's, etc.) However, if a bandwagon takes off from a random vote, either a scum player was the first and third vote, or they were second and third.

How did you establish your idea that a random vote from the first and third or the second and third player resulting in a bandwagon means that the pair is scum?

I will explain if we accept the following caveats:
1. The hypothetical game is a Newbie Game.
2. It is D1, RVS still, and 9 alive.

FAKE GAME:

Player A (Expericenced Scum) Random Votes for Player B.
Player B Random Votes for Player C.
Player C decides to Random Vote for Player B.
Player D (NewbScum) decides "oh, bandwagon! Time to kill people!" Votes for Player B.
Player E (NewbIdiot) votes for Player B, putting him at L-2.

[12Keyblade]

Vote: No Lynch

Explain pls.

[12Keyblade]

EBWOP:

Unoffical Vote Count (Hey, it's a new page)

12Keyblade (1) - reverendpsycho
BlueRaven (0)
geekalicious (0)
KittyMo (1) - xRECKONERx
krauthammer (1) - KittyMo
reverendpsycho (1) - 12Keyblade
ronnieroo (0)
TheFlyingGreenMonkey (0)
xRECKONERx (0)
No Lynch (1) - TheFlyingGreenMonkey

5 to Lynch

[12Keyblade]

I will place an

FOS: TheFlyingGreenMonkey

for not wanting to lynch on D1, thereby (in my eyes) giving Mafia a free kill. I don't want to put him at L-2 on Page 2. Yet.

[12Keyblade]

Hey, let's not have epically long posts like that, please. Makes the game much more of a hassle than it needs to be. Linking to posts in reference is fine, and you could also just...

not chime in on every single thing.

That being said, I'm a fan of the TFGM wagon.

Miner FOS: xRECKONERx

for (possibly) trying to stifle discussion.

[12Keyblade]

Official Vote Count

12Keyblade - 1 (reverendpsycho)
KittyMo - 1 (xRECKONERx)
reverendpsycho - 1 (12Keyblade)

TheFlyingGreenMonkey - 2 (KittyMo, geekalicious)

KittyMo - 1 (TheFlyingGreenMonkey)

Not Voting - 3 (BlueRaven, Krauthammer, ronnieroo)

5 to Lynch.

Deadline

is the end of Wednesday, July 22 (Eastern, GMT - 4).

Kitty's on there twice. She has 2 votes on her.

Thanks, fixed

[12Keyblade]

I will place an FOS: TheFlyingGreenMonkey for not wanting to lynch on D1, thereby (in my eyes) giving Mafia a free kill. I don't want to put him at L-2 on Page 2. Yet.

This was my logic for the FOS. It was after his vote for a No Lynch.

[12Keyblade]

Ah crap.

Mod: Fix tags pleaseums?

Done

[12Keyblade]

Unovote Vote:

TheFlyingGreenMonkey

Three things:

1. Yes, you can vote for yourself.
2. IDK if that counts as it's not all bolded.
3. Voting for yourself is BADBADBAD!!! Don't do it until you commit more scumtells.

[12Keyblade]

Oh, crap.

FOS: BlueRaven

You're just lucky I don't want to give Scum a hammer (my vote would put you at L-1). Care to explain yourself?

[12Keyblade]

OK BlueRaven, here's the thing:

The past few posts of yours are along the lines of "oh wel, i'm skrewd, nothn i kan do nao." This is highly scummy. I personally expect an explaination, with or without role claim, ASA NOW.

Without that...well, I don't know.

[12Keyblade]

Not trying to stifle discussion at all.. I just don't think it's always a player's place to respond to every last detail in the game unless specifically asked to do so. Also, I'd like Psycho to respond to exactly how geek was taking the quotes out of context.

In my previous post I felt that geek took keyblade's simple question to FGM to explain his reasoning as suspicion. He also used ronnieroo's noting of a contradiction in FGM's logic as support for his vote on FGM. Upon 2nd reading, that DOES seem to make sense. Still, IMO, I don't think simply asking someone to explain their No Lynch vote is necessarily an act of suspicion. Then, in an effort to further support his reasoning, he states that 12keyblade did place an FoS on FGM. While that is true, geek's vote on FGM came

before

keyblade's FoS post.

So, I revise my statement and say that I believe geek took ONE post out of context.

As for my "tossing the finger" comment, scum tend to deflect attention away from themselves and find a target for everyone else to look at. My first RVS vote was indeed random, but the way keyblade rationalized his OMGUS vote by stating that he wasn't the last one to confirm smelled funny. Couple that with a few ppl voting for FGM, admittedly by FGM's own doing, it seems a bit odd, don't you think?

My random vote was simply that, random. My "reasoning" was that I didn't want a psycho around. I said before that that I wasn't last to confirm, solely to correct the facts of the matter.

[12Keyblade]

TFGM has asked to be replaced.

Fan-effing-tastic.

[12Keyblade]

We're on page four!

Bah! IC golden rule #263: if you join a game, don't get flustered and replace out. Only replace out if you have legitimate real life issues that will interfere with the game.

*writes down rule*

[12Keyblade]

just to ask, what were to happen if we get to 22/07 and we still havnt reached a verdict?

Depends on the mod. Either a) No Lynch, or 2) whoever has the highest votes gets lynched.

Start 'splainin pls.

[12Keyblade]

what is there to explain? Im a nwb, i say something wrong. making me look like a scum. simple as realy...

You haven't (aside from this, and even this is questionable) defended yourself against any accusations. This is highly suspect, as it may lead to beliefs that you don't have a defense.

[12Keyblade]

oh and @BlueRaven:

At deadline, ½ the original number of votes will be required for a lynch. In the case of a tie, the person who first received the required number of votes will be lynched. If this number is not met, a No Lynch will occur. There will be no reduced number of votes in LyLo.

When you make a new post (not a quick reply), you can hover your cursor over the different tags and see the proper format to get them to work properly.

Just sayin'.

[12Keyblade]

AAARRRGGGHHH! I H8 QUOTE TAGS!

[12Keyblade]

KittyMo's logic can be applied in certain scenarios. Imagine this:

Newbie Game
4 Players left
1 Mafia, 3 Townies (power roles don't matter)

If they lynch wrong: 1 mafia, 2 Townies. Mafia NK one and endgame the other.
If they no lynch: Mafia NKs one townie. 1 Mafia, 2 Townies left, more info b/c of role reveal on death.

BlueRaven: Defend/explain yourself, now, or my next post will include a vote for you.

[12Keyblade]

^ What Keyblade said.

I'm thinking BlueRaven is our best lynch candidate for today, but I'd like to give him another chance to respond before we dive right into a lynch. Of course, if we lynch him and he turns up town, then whoop dee doo, we gain nothing from his role reveal because he's playing like scum so we can't target anyone for voting him.

I hereby endorse this product and/or service.

[12Keyblade]

EBWOP:

Unvote

[12Keyblade]

I would like to suggest that all players get an avatar so as to tell your posts apart quickly on rereads.

And if scum could make their avatars big red letters that say "

I AM MAFIA, LYNCH ME

!" that would be fantastic. [/joke]

[12Keyblade]

Just FTR...BlueRaven has until 12:48 pm (Eastern Time) to post and 'splain good, or he gets my vote for at least...well...a while anyway.

[12Keyblade]

Hi Zachrulez!

: Do you believe anything can be gleaned from anyone's random vote? Why?

Do you think it would be a good idea to lynch quickly on Day 1? Why?

Do you follow a "Lynch all Lurkers" policy? Why?

Do you follow a "Lynch all Liars" policy? Why?

Care to answer any/all of these? (After a reread, of course)

[12Keyblade]

Vote: BlueRaven

Still not satisfied.

[12Keyblade]

I believe that's L-2.

Role Claim? In addition to explaination.

[12Keyblade]

I believe that's L-2.

Role Claim? In addition to explaination.

Is there any particular reason you think L-2 is a good time to ask for a roleclaim?

It comes before L-1? If you want to wait until then, fine. There was a after roleclaim to see if others wanted it.

[12Keyblade]

Also I'm noticing that my predecessor earned a few votes for voting for a no lynch.

I am suspicious of both votes, most particularly geekalicious' especially because he quickly transitions into an opportunistic Blueraven vote.

Why is it, that my predecessor got hammered so hard for his no lynch stance, rather than someone taking the time out to explain to him why the idea was bad?

Supporting no lynch is a common newbie error that must be beaten out of them with a logical explanation, and the best one for it is that it takes away one of the town's lynches. (You go from having 3 with 9 players to 2 with 8.)

Anyway, Blueraven does look a little bit fishy to me, but I am weary of the speed of the bandwagon that formed on him. My gut is telling me that scum are driving this bandwagon.

I explained that No Lynch is usually a bad idea, but presented a scenario where it works.

So you're implicating krauthammer and/or geekalicious as scum? They were the first two votes.

[12Keyblade]

And now begins my series of Post-by-Post Analysies for each player.

reverendpsycho

Post 4:

reverendpsycho votes 12Keyblade for holding up the start of the game. Says it’s random.

Post 39:

Calls my random vote on him an OMGUS b/c I clarified that I wasn’t last. Says I tossed a finger at TFGM. I didn’t. Also asks TFGM to explain his No Lynch vote, after quoting a post from me explaining a situation where it may work in the town’s favor.

Post 89:

Asks BlueRaven to explain and throws an FOS.

Post 126:

Zachrulez replaced TFGM.

Post 158:

Votes geekalicious for following crowds without giving his own beliefs.

Post 165:

Is asked by xRECKONERx to explain geek’s contradictions.

Scum-O-Meter says: 5 out of 10

[12Keyblade]

KittyMo

Post 5:

Votes Krauthammer for having the funniest username.

Post 10:

Admits to lurking being a pet peeve of hers. Likes to get them replaced, not lynched.

Post 16:

Posts a game for geekalicious to read where she and xRECKONERx play, and xRECKONERx fails at scum.

Post 18:

Playstyle is scumhunting, which she sometimes fails at.

Post 29:

Votes TFGM for voting no lynch and claiming to be experienced. Inference: No Lynch is a horrible idea.

Post 61:

Tells TFGM to stop screwing with the game, unless he’s frustrated scum.

Post 160:

Accuses me of “tunnel vision” and mentions an “investigation.” Cop breadcrumb?

Post 162:

FOSs reverendpsycho for having weak voting reasons.

Scum-O-Meter says: 3 out of 10

[12Keyblade]

xRECKONERx

Post 6:

Votes KittyMo for not having a kitty avatar.

Post 9:

Follows Lynch All Liars.

Post 20:

Has a combative playstyle, dismisses game posted by KittyMo as “his first game, isn’t his meta.” Sure...

Post 41:

Asks for shorter posts. Stifling discussion?

Post 56:

Says he wasn’t stifling discussion, just doesn’t think one should respond to everything.

Post 67:

Votes BlueRaven for not understanding his point.

Post 91:

Says asking for further explanation is useless, as BlueRaven is a flustered newbie.

Post 116:

Says BlueRaven is best lynch candidate, but then wants more explaination. Contradiction w/ 91?

Post 165:

Votes reverendpsycho, asking for an explanation on geek’s contradictions.

Scum-O-Meter says: 6.5 out of 10

[12Keyblade]

geekalicious

Post 33:

Votes TFGM, following ronnieroo and KittyMo’s logic.

Post 64:

Votes BlueRaven for following the crowd. Hypocrite?

Post 136:

Due to his explaination, agrees with BlueRaven that he could have made a newbie mistake. Still did not unvote.

Post 152:

Is getting tired of the “I’m a newbie” argument.

Post 157:

Says he is not following others, he is evaluating points others have made and the suspect’s actions.

*note* Most unincluded posts include a) asking questions, or 2) following others’ logic.

Scum-O-Meter says: 7 out of 10

[12Keyblade]

ronnieroo

Post 15:

Answers all my questions, asks another, and asks me to answer my own questions.

Post 31:

Points out a possible contradiction from TFGM.

Post 112

: Says he suspects BlueRaven for saying Town don’t defend themselves.

Post 153:

Quotes geekalicious and points out that he follows others.

Scum-O-Meter says: 3

[12Keyblade]

BlueRaven

Post 62

: Votes KittyMo to go with the crowd (what crowd?)

Post 65:

Mentions a mysterious “newbie mistake poll” and stands by his vote to see what happens.

Post 66:

Then unvotes.

Post 72:

Says he can’t explain himself.

Post 100:

Says he looks like a scum because he’s a nwb.

Post 106:

Thinks that by not defending himself he looks town. Wrong.

Post 151:

FOSs me because I didn’t justify my vote on him. (???)

Scum-O-Meter says: 7

[12Keyblade]

krauthammer

Post 38

: Finds every post of TFGM scummy, but doesn’t want to start a bandwagon.

Post 60:

Says he is leaning toward TFGM being town, but will be mad if he is.

Post 63:

Votes BlueRaven because following the crowd is scummy.

Post 71:

BlueRaven is scummy as hell, but don’t vote him yet!

Post 124:

Says that TFGM is town, and BlueRaven could go both ways.

Post 155:

Said that TFGM/Zachrulez explained themselves in a good way, but BlueRaven didn’t.

Scum-O-Meter says: 4 out of 10

[12Keyblade]

TheFlyingGreenMonkey/Zachrulez

Post 25:

TFGM votes no Lynch on his first post.

Post 30:

OMGUS Votes KittyMo.

Post 34:

Says the attack on him is coordinated.

Post 59:

Attempts to vote for himself.

Post 93:

TFGM asks for replacement.

Post 126:

Zachrulez (an IC) replaces TFGM

Post 140:

Asks why I asked for a roleclaim at L-2.

Post 142:

Thinks scum are driving the BlueRaven wagon, and questions why TFGM got votes for a no-Lynch vote.

Post 144:

Suspects reckoner for an earlier post where he tries to stifle discussion. Familiar?

Post 148:

Accuses geek for attempting to discredit his suspicions by questioning knowledge of setup. Then votes geek.

Scum-O-Meter says: 5 out of 10

[12Keyblade]

And finally, a post count and Scum-O-Meter Scummary.

12Keyblade: 41
xRECKONERx: 24
BlueRaven: 19
geekalicious: 16
KittyMo: 14
Krauthammer: 11
Zachrulez: 9
TheFlyingGreenMonkey: 8
reverendpsycho: 7
ronnieroo: 6

Scum-O-Meter:

Town

ronnieroo (3)
KittyMo (3)
Krauthammer (4)
TFGM/Zachrulez (5)
reverendpsycho (5)
xRECKONERx (6.5)
BlueRaven (7)
geekalicious (7)

Scum

[12Keyblade]

Um, 12Keyblade, where's the analysis of yourself?

Listen, if I analyze myself, I'll come up town, even if I am scum. (cause I'm biased). Feel free to do it.

[12Keyblade]

Scum-O-Meter:

Town

ronnieroo (3)
KittyMo (3)
12Keyblade (4)
Krauthammer (4)
TFGM/Zachrulez (5)
reverendpsycho (5)
xRECKONERx (6.5)
BlueRaven (7)
geekalicious (7)

Scum

[12Keyblade]

KittyMo

Post 5:

Votes Krauthammer for having the funniest username.

Post 10:

Admits to lurking being a pet peeve of hers. Likes to get them replaced, not lynched.

Post 16:

Posts a game for geekalicious to read where she and xRECKONERx play, and xRECKONERx fails at scum.

Post 18:

Playstyle is scumhunting, which she sometimes fails at.

Post 29:

Votes TFGM for voting no lynch and claiming to be experienced. Inference: No Lynch is a horrible idea.

Post 61:

Tells TFGM to stop screwing with the game, unless he’s frustrated scum.

Post 160:

Accuses me of “tunnel vision” and mentions an “investigation.” Cop breadcrumb?

Post 162:

FOSs reverendpsycho for having weak voting reasons.

Scum-O-Meter says: 3 out of 10

Hello rolefishing.

God that's so terribly scummy. I'm really going to have to think about where I want my vote now.

Listen, even she marked it with quotes. So she didn't want us to see it? Fine.

[12Keyblade]

I don't think it would ever be a good idea to reveal the cop, when would that ever be good for town, especially on the first day?

Not reveal, breadcrumb. Think about it:

Day 3, 5 left alive. Bob claims he is the cop and has a guilty on Joe. Joe challenges him to prove it. Bob points to post 54, where he mentioned that he was "investigating" someone. Mary and Janey are convinced, and Joe the Mafia is strung up and lynched.

[12Keyblade]

12Keyblade, when you were analyzing reverendpsycho, you wrote:

Post 39: Calls my random vote on him an OMGUS b/c I clarified that I wasn’t last. Says I tossed a finger at TFGM. I didn’t. Also asks TFGM to explain his No Lynch vote, after quoting a post from me explaining a situation where it may work in the town’s favor.

You did indeed toss a FOS at TFGM in post 37 as I noted when I did my analysis of you. Contradictory?

The reason I (mistakenly) said that is because when he wrote about me "tossing the finger" he had quoted/was analyzing an earlier post, where I hadn't tossed the finger yet. That's the problem with looking at one user at a time, I didn't realize that I had placed the FOS prior to his post. I apoligize; I'll read more carefully.

I'm sensing a general hatred for my Scum-O-Meter (patent pending). Why is that? Do you have a better solution/what are your own opinions?

I was merely offering my opinion in a way that I often use internally. I guess we just want to be sheep...

[12Keyblade]

Zachrulez replaces TFGM.

Yeah, got that XD

oops

[12Keyblade]

I don't like how psycho disappeared after I called him out.

It hasn't been a day yet, give him time!

[12Keyblade]

So, Keyblade. I notice you're still voting for Blueraven.

As I glace at your "Scum O Meter" (Patent pending?) Blueraven is tied for highed on it with geekalicious.

Since I am finding it difficult to follow your thought process, and where you assert each are scummy in your analysis, (Since I can't figure out what formula you're using or what actions you are quantifying for your scores.) can you summarize an explanation for me to why you're voting for Blueraven over Geek?

At the moment I'm quite interested in everyone on Blueraven's wagon. (Plus Reckoner.)

I'm still voting for BlueRaven because geek hasn't been scummy enough yet to warrant a vote change. That's the only reason.

[12Keyblade]

I'm kinda looking for a more specific explanation here.

Um...like what? I gave my reasons for voting for BlueRaven, and they still apply IMHO.

[12Keyblade]

While VRK's here:

I will be V/LA from the 13th until the 18th. Try not to lynch anyone while I'm away.

[12Keyblade]

KittyMo: Sunday 7:54 pm.
ronnieroo: Sunday 5:39 pm.
BlueRaven: Sunday 3:02 am.
Krauthammer: Sunday 2:30 pm.

Prod on BlueRaven, ceratinly, but the others have a few hours left.

[12Keyblade]

KittyMo: Sunday 7:54 pm.
ronnieroo: Sunday 5:39 pm.
BlueRaven: Sunday 3:02 am.
Krauthammer: Sunday 2:30 pm.

Prod on BlueRaven, ceratinly, but the others have a few hours left.

I think the requirement is every 48 hours for this game, but I could be wrong.

Crap, I thought it was Tuesday. Yeah, prods all around I think.

[12Keyblade]

Well at least we're in agreement on this matter.

Mod: Prods on Kittymo, Ronnieroo, Blueraven, and Krauthammer please.

Probably be the last time 4 a while...

[12Keyblade]

Zach, you're taking xRECKONERx's post out of context. Not only that, but his point is "I didn't jump on it right away." He's correct. He was vote #3 on a 4-person bandwagon. That's not right away.

[12Keyblade]

Zach, you're taking xRECKONERx's post out of context. Not only that, but his point is "I didn't jump on it right away." He's correct. He was vote #3 on a 4-person bandwagon. That's not right away.

Go back and look at the timestamps of the posts that followed Blueraven's going with the crowd vote.

That fact that his vote was 3rd is incidental, as he voted within a half hour of BlueRaven's "scummy" post.

Dang...sorry dude, you're on your own for a while. It's lunchtime here.

[12Keyblade]

Zach, you're taking xRECKONERx's post out of context. Not only that, but his point is "I didn't jump on it right away." He's correct. He was vote #3 on a 4-person bandwagon. That's not right away.

Go back and look at the timestamps of the posts that followed Blueraven's going with the crowd vote.

That fact that his vote was 3rd is incidental, as he voted within a half hour of BlueRaven's "scummy" post.

Dang...sorry dude, you're on your own for a while. It's lunchtime here.

Damn you and your eastern time zone. I still got about another hour.

Whassa matter? Hungry?

Ima have me a grilled cheese sammitch. With Tomato Soup. Take that!

We now return to your regularly scheduled Mafia Game.

[12Keyblade]

Sorry, I'm here. *rereads*

Yay, Kitty's back!

*waits on other three players*

[12Keyblade]

Strange. Keyblade is V/LA for the exact same days.

Oh, the cruel sheer irony!

ronnie, I'd ask if I knew you, but you're a girl and I'm going on a Boy Scout Hiking Trip, so no such luck. Unless your first name is Elizabeth...

[12Keyblade]

It just seems like you're being just a little overly harsh & sarcastic. I'd appreciate it if you'd tone it down a little, but it's nothing too bad.

QFT

[12Keyblade]

Well Zach, you got your wish. I found someone scummier than BlueRaven.

Unvote
Vote: Zachrulez

Ronnie, his "logic" is that you have extra info that tells you there's two mafia goons.

Also, If I was going to give my #3 scum, it'd be reckoner solely off a gut feeling. IMHO that's worthless, but hey. You asked.

[12Keyblade]

Hi!

[12Keyblade]

Oh, shit. I'm in the wrong game. I was thinking someone else was posting in another game. ugh. My mind. Is fucked.

Heh. This belongs in the "You know you have been playing too much Mafia when..." thread


BTW, I just nominated you for the custom title of "Too Much Mafia..." for this little gem.

ZOMG!

Win. Epically!

[12Keyblade]

As of 5:00 today, I will be V/LA. If you have anything you need from me before then, now is the time.

[12Keyblade]

I'm outta here; see you!

[12Keyblade]

Well, I see quite a lot has come up since I came back from Washington. I think I'll start with a nice

FOS: All who voted for Zach

.

And yes, I realize that includes me. I probably should have unvoted before I left.

[12Keyblade]

Anyways, for me, a reread is in order. I always like to look back through things when there are newly confirmed players. So, um, I'll hopefully have something to get us talking later today or tomorrow.

/concur

I'd do it right now, but I'm working on pulling together the Enda Arrowman and my brother's birthday party, so I'm slightly frazzled.

[12Keyblade]

COMMENT TO THE MOD:

I always LOVE your "Go to the Day [whatever] Lynch" button in the first post. It is sooooo helpful. Don't ever get rid of it.

Sucking up to the mod = scum. Don't forget it.

For those newbies reading this, I'm joking. See? It's funny!

Sorry, my mind exploded. Just saw HP6.

[12Keyblade]

I'd do it right now, but I'm working on pulling together the Enda Arrowman and my brother's birthday party, so I'm slightly frazzled.

Enda Arrowman? What's that?

We'll go with "Newsletter that I happen to be the editor of."

[12Keyblade]

Ah, so you read the fakevote game too!

Don't take any small children with you to HP6. Trust me. Inferi are creepy as all get-out.

[12Keyblade]

I can keep a vote count. I'm good at that. But I can't write death scenes, except for mine.

(just while Vel's gone)

[12Keyblade]

Official Vote Count

illinguy09 - 1 (BlueRaven)

geekalicious - 1 (illiniguy09)

Not Voting - 5 (12Keyblade, geekalicious, KittyMo, reverendpsycho, ronnieroo)

4 to Lynch.

Deadline

is the end of Sunday, August 9 (Eastern, GMT - 4).

I like your new scummy, Vel-Rahn!

[12Keyblade]

whats a scummy?

See the little icon below his name that says something like "Behind the Scenes Contribution?" That's a Scummy Award. They're given out each year to the best players on this site for things like Best Mafia Player (As Mafia and Town), best Newbie, and Best Role Claim (aka the Flying Pumpkin that Shoots Lazer Beams Out of its Ass Award). VRK just won a 2008 scummy, and Jeep just added them to their recipients.

[12Keyblade]

But let's get back on topic now, shall we?

[12Keyblade]

V/LA until Friday. Sorry everyone, hopefully you don't miss me too much!

I like your new scummy, Vel-Rahn!

Oh, YOU'RE allowed to say that, but I can't just point out that... :p

Yep! IRL I'm a blatant suck-up.

[12Keyblade]

It's kinda late, so this might be spammy, but ATM geek's at L-2. Content in the morning.

[12Keyblade]

Content promised and delivered!

Page 1:

reverendpsycho votes for me in the RVS. I vote him back, and this simple exchange is overanalyzed forevermore.
I also ask questions of all the players about their playstyle/how they think the game should be played.

Page 2:
In his first post, TheFlyingGreenMonkey votes for no lynch, then says "I don't like first day random kills." KittyMo votes for him, causing him to switch to her for voting him. Geek then votes for TFGM, who mentions that "two votes agianst one person seems like a cordnated attack." As I was casting suspicion on him as well as ronnieroo, it wasn't really 2 people. Krauthammer states that he doesn't want to start a bandwagon, but he finds all of TFGM's post scummy/radically misinformed.
Reckoner brings up an excellent point about how in one of geek's posts, he rationalizes his bandwagon jump by bringing me up, in case TFGM turns up town (which he does).

Page 3:
BlueRaven votes for KittyMo "just cause i'm going with the crowd." This inspires a major bandwagon, yay for bandwagons! Krauthammer, geekalicious and xRECKONERx all place votes. I FOSed him with the intent of soon putting him at L-1.

Page 4:
BlueRaven's defense consists mostly of "oh well," with little actual defense.

Page 5:
BlueRaven's defense for lack of defense says that scum would defend, but town wouldn't.

Page 6:
After avoiding our requests to "explain," BlueRaven answers one set of questions.
Zachrulez, our replacement for TFGM, votes for geek. He proceeds to suspect geek for the rest of his life (tee hee). reverendpsycho votes for geek as well.
My much-hated Scum-O-Meter makes an appearance and...

Page 7:
is immediatly ridiculed by everyone. Zachrulez accuses me of rolefishing due to my PBPAs.

Pages 8-10:
Zachrulez begins to bring cases against reverendpsycho and xRECKONERx.

Page 11:
I get off topic (as I am wont to do) and begin discussing my lunch with Zach. crap, now I want breakfast. Zach states that he could see any combination of me, geek and reckoner being scumbuddies. On this and the next page Zach and reckoner begin a long argument with Zach as the interrogater. Unfortunatly, this doesn't help us much, as both are dead townies.

Page 13:
Zach begins a case on krauthammer.

Page 14:
xRECKONERx suggest posting our #3 scum candidate, which is well accepted.
Zach picks up on a post of ronnie's where she mentions a couple of mafia goons. Reckoner and Zach vote for her. I vote Zach because of his constant voteswapping.

--at this point ronnie and I leave--

Page 16:
Zach gives a lovely PBPA of ronnie stating that she never votes. Geek returns with one of Zach, and votes for him.

Page 18:
Zach accuses geek of buddying to Kitty.

Page 20:
Zach is lynched.

---Day 2---
In his first post, BlueRaven votes for illiniguy09.

Page 21:
Kitty and I get off topic again about HP6. illiniguy09 OMGUS votes geek and FOSes BlueRaven. Kitty and I both suck up to the mod.

Page 22:
Monsieur votes for KittyMo after doing a quick reread. He then switches his vote to geek after two content-laced posts. Seriously, are you related to anyone named Mastin?

So here's what I think:
geek, BlueRaven, Zach and I looked scummy to start. Since then, posting has dropped off from BlueRaven (can you drop from nothing?), geek has slightly dropped, and I've kept about the same. Zach's dead, of course. To be honest, I think one of us 3 is scum at least. I'm more inclined to vote for geek, as BlueRaven SOUNDS like a newbie. I don't want to put him at L-1 yet and give scum (if he's not) a chance to hammer. Now I want me some breakfast!

[12Keyblade]

Who is Mastin?

Mastin is a player known for exceptionally long posts filled with wonderful content. Really, it's quite brilliant.

[12Keyblade]

Oh, sorry. I missed that.

So wait. Since I try to really look for scum and back my conclusions up with explanations in well-formatted posts and thus don't SOUND like a newbie, that means you're more likely to vote for me? Wow...

TBH, yes. But not because of your posting style. Within BlueRaven's badly spelled and formatted posts I sense a hint of "town." Within your posts, I've found that I have an easier time believing you to be scum than BlueRaven. Oh believe me, I can put on a pretty face and make nice analysies even when I'm scum, so simply the fact that you're posting well does not automatically mean that you are completly cleared to me.

[12Keyblade]

btw why would i want to kill reckoner? he was defending me more than trying to lynch me. and the case illini brought up wasnt very strong in my opinion, it just covered all the old pointers about me which we've all seen before...

Hello WIFOM. Dear god.

[12Keyblade]

Well, seeing as how discussion is stalling, I think I'll do a prodcheck.

12Keyblade: Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:58 pm
BlueRaven: Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:39 pm
geekalicious: Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:46 pm
illiniguy09: Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:16 pm
KittyMo: Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:17 pm
Monsieur: Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:26 am
ronnieroo: Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:15 pm

Mod: Prods on

12Keyblade

and geekalicious please?

[12Keyblade]

EBWOP:

I will

FOS: geekalicious

. This is for multiple reasons:

1. I've found his playstyle to be somewhat scummy.
2. It's possible his lurking can be attributed to panicking.
3. If I vote now, we might end up lynching a lurker without giving him a chance to speak.

[12Keyblade]

12Keyblade, you hadn't posted in the thread since about the same time I had, but I'm the one lurking and "panicking." Uh. Huh. However, I note going through your post history that you were posting in other places such as General Discussion and the Queue after that time. Were you the one "panicking" in this thread?

Short answer: no.

Long answer: I was waiting for others to post their opinons and answer the questions directed at them. You and KittyMo had been away for a bit, so I was waiting to hear their opinions, particularly on our new replacement.

[12Keyblade]

OK Mon, here's your info:

Post 53: Begins the long chain of overanalysing my random vote for reverendpsycho.
Post 64: Places the second vote on BlueRaven. He also placed the second vote on TFGM, so either he's on at all the wrong times, or he likes to be second on bandwagons.
Post 157:

I'm not following others. I look at the person's actions, I look at points that others have brought up about them, and then I take the action I see fit.

And yet, in both cases where you were vote #2 (and the only votes you had placed up to that point), there was little to no content between your vote and the first one.
Post 395: Places the second vote on Zachrulez because of his case on ronnieroo. To me, ronnie seems town, but geek's blatant defense puts me on edge. Also selectivly quoted Zach to make him seem scummier.
Post 440: Possible, maybe, not really, but kinda buddying to Kitty. I may have said the exact same things, which is why it's not a big deal for me.
Post 495:

Oh great.... Both of our IC's are dead.... >_<

This falls along the same lines as "Good job Doctor!" or "Darn, our cop is dead." IMO, a null tell, but to some it's a light-up billboard.
Post 510: A post from ronnie, which I just noticed, which may be returning the favor of geek defending her.
Post 523:

The only commentary that I can make is that I think that at least 12Keyblade and/or ronnieroo is cleared from being scum since they were both on V/LA during the period of time when night actions needed to be submitted. That means that at least one scum (or perhaps both) was definitely in town during the period to submit a night kill.

Never. Ever. Metagame. The. Night. Don't forget it.
Posts 529 and 530: Please read these loverly posts from our new player Monsieur for more detail than what I've put here.
Post 569:

So why couldn't I have been doing the same thing instead of "panicking"? Granted, I was sick, but what led you to jump to the conclusion that I was lurking?

I wasn't aware that you were sick, and as such, I apologize.

So unless anyone (besides the accused) is against it, I will vote for geek after illin's replacement shows up and offers his opinion, unless that manages to sway me in the extreme.

[12Keyblade]

villa lean
keyblade
blueraven

purgatory
illiniguy

wolf lean
kittymo
geekalicious
ronnieroo

Oh no Monsieur, that got me in trouble earlier. That being said, I concur with most of what's listed there.

[12Keyblade]

Why would it get you in trouble?

Ah, I just did something similar earlier in the game and got chewed out for it.

Scum-O-Meter:

Town
ronnieroo (3)
KittyMo (3)
Krauthammer (4)
TFGM/Zachrulez (5)
reverendpsycho (5)
xRECKONERx (6.5)
BlueRaven (7)
geekalicious (7)
Scum

And I got chewed out for it.

[12Keyblade]

^this.

Also, where is everyone?

[12Keyblade]

I will abstain providing an explanation to my reads because:

1) KeyBlade and I have been the only ones to post a full reads list on the entire cast, while everyone else has not. I find this ironic because although Keyblade had taken the time to post his reads list, while others have not, they are quick to judge and criticize.

My suggestion: Everyone should post their list of reads. It doesn't matter how you present it.

2) I have contributed to the discussion far too many times, and I'd prefer other people to talk other than myself.

My suggestion: Either exert effort into this game, or it will be discouraging and the expected value of us winning will decrease.

Mon, I would like to suggest that you continue contributing. Sometimes Mafia Games die because the most prolific posters stop and wait. Plus, I really don't want to see a Mafia win because there was no discussion.

[12Keyblade]

Had a panic attack today. Not entirely stable. I'll answer everyone's questions tomorrow, hopefully.

xoxo KittyMo

I'm composing a longer content post in reply to this. I've just been really busy with school since it's the end of the semester this past week. Hopefully, I'll get it posted by tomorrow.

I understand both of your difficulties, but now'd be a wonderful time. Let's see some discussion!

[12Keyblade]

I'm not quoting your post, because it's way too long. But it should be understood that I've read it.

I'm inclined to agree with you on just about everything. I'm going to nitpick the analysis of me on a couple of things.

Re: My lack of self analysis:

My comment that I looked scummy to start was based on other's reactions. If I were to analyze myself at any point, I think I looked town, because I read my role PM. So the analysis of myself as "scummy" was based on my perceptions of other's perceptions.

Re: The "panicked lurking:"

I thought I had posted this, but the reason I was "lurking" was because I was waiting for others' opinions before commenting further. By the way, that fact that you pointed out (that I was seemingly avoiding this game) is an excellent point for some other players. I hadn't thought of that particular tactic, so you win a cookie.

[12Keyblade]

EBWOP:

Ha, found it!

12Keyblade, you hadn't posted in the thread since about the same time I had, but I'm the one lurking and "panicking." Uh. Huh. However, I note going through your post history that you were posting in other places such as General Discussion and the Queue after that time. Were you the one "panicking" in this thread?

Short answer: no.

Long answer: I was waiting for others to post their opinons and answer the questions directed at them. You and KittyMo had been away for a bit, so I was waiting to hear their opinions, particularly on our new replacement.

[12Keyblade]

12Keyblade, Monsieur's post of suspicions is somewhat of an inverse of mine that you agreed with at the beginning of the page. Yet, somehow, you now are inclined to agree with me "on just about everything" near the end of the same page? What, are you just sponging up opinions?

Allow me to clarify:

Agree=understand your opinions and understand why you have chosen to evaluate the players in that manner, while reserving final judgement until after illiniguy09 is replaced.

[12Keyblade]

I just wanted to let you all know that I won't be available on the thread tomorrow (Saturday). And sorry about the avatar. I just couldn't resist the temptation to change it after I mocked this up for another forum I'm posting on.

Is that a lightsaber versus a Keyblade? You are so my favorite in this game. Unless you're scum.

[12Keyblade]

Old Scum-O-Meter:

Scum-O-Meter:

Town

ronnieroo (3)
KittyMo (3)
Krauthammer (4)
TFGM/Zachrulez (5)
reverendpsycho (5)
xRECKONERx (6.5)
BlueRaven (7)
geekalicious (7)

Scum

New Scum-O-Meter:

Town

KittyMo (2)
Monsieur (3)
illiniguy09 (3.5)
BlueRaven (4)
ronnieroo (6)
geekalicious (7)

Scum

[12Keyblade]

Hello Riddle!

[12Keyblade]

Just FYI, Monsieur has told me that he intends to replace out because of "the apathetic cast."

[12Keyblade]

Just FYI, Monsieur has told me that he intends to replace out because of "the apathetic cast."

Monsieur PMed you? >.>

I'm actually kinda surprised he feels that way. This game is a lot less apathetic than any of the ones I am in.

No, contact through another site. That was all we discussed, Scout's honor.

[12Keyblade]

New Scum-O-Meter:

Town

KittyMo (2) Still is posting, though she is falling slightly behind, and seems to be helping the town.
Monsieur (3) I like his posting style, but the fact that he told me he intends to leave rubs me the wrong way.
illiniguy09 (3.5) Currently in purgatory. Hasn't posted lately and his hammer seemed to have little reasoning.
BlueRaven (4) Has dropped, but his lack of posting still irks me. I'd like it if he offered an opinion once in a while.
ronnieroo (6) Honestly seems town, but at the same time, Zach's case rings some bells...really, I think this needs moved.
geekalicious (7) Hints of buddying up to players seems scummy. See case I posted earlier for more details.

Scum

[12Keyblade]

12Keyblade:

Slightly Odd Random Vote

Dear lord, not you too! It was RANDOM people. RANDOM! Now can we drop it?

Votes Zach with little explanation. Later "forgets" to unvote before going on vacation.

Oh no, at the time I wanted that vote to stay exactly where it was. However, in hindsight it allowed illiniguy09 to place the hammer while ronnie and I were away. And of course I feel dumb now for getting a townie lynched.

Speaking of vacation:

V/LA August 12-16

. So basically, I won't be here for the start of Day 3 (assuming that I'm alive *prays*)

And for those who are counting,

Deadline is August 9. People, that's less than a week.

[12Keyblade]

Well, our replacement has finally spoken, 12Keyblade. Where does your vote lie while you're reminding us that we need to vote?

Tee hee, funny story...I don't have a clue. As much as my gut tells me that you are scum, my gut also is listening to Kitty and others who say you aren't. They've got some dang good cases...I really don't know. I'm going to try to place a vote later today. I make no promises.

I'm jealous of your many vacations, Keyblade. :p Have fun. Speaking of that, I never asked how your last one went. (Ronnie can answer too.)

First you complain about me being off-topic, now you're trying to get me off-topic. Really this needs to stop. However, Washington DC was great. We saw all the really neat stuff, like the Capitol Building and the Washington Monument. We even got to tour the White House and--hey, stop that!!!

i was reading through the posts and i jus thought that why would Monsieur PM keyblade? dosnt that seem suspisious...?

He didn't. Obviously you weren't really reading. He told me this on another site, completly unsolicited. He only knew it was me 'cause my sn's the same on both. His isn't though.

[12Keyblade]

Ummm...holy crap. Can I be perfectly honest for a minute? I'm considering voting for Raskol just for that. I don't see ronnie's playstyle as scummy in the least...OK, slightly. Very, very little. Like, almost not at all. Point is, I never considered voting for such a pro-town player. I really want to see the reasons behind this, or my vote may go from geek to Raskol.

[12Keyblade]

Ummm...holy crap. Can I be perfectly honest for a minute? I'm considering voting for Raskol just for that. I don't see ronnie's playstyle as scummy in the least...OK, slightly. Very, very little. Like, almost not at all. Point is, I never considered voting for such a pro-town player. I really want to see the reasons behind this, or my vote may go from geek to Raskol.

Then why's she a 6 on your scum-o-meter?

I said she needed moved.

Geek, that's your answer too. I was having a delusional day. However, I am not going to vote for Raskol yet. Why? He finally got ronnie to post more that two lines!

I really need to think about my vote, but I will place one later 2day or early 2morrow.

[12Keyblade]

I said she needed moved.

Geek, that's your answer too. I was having a delusional day. However, I am not going to vote for Raskol yet. Why? He finally got ronnie to post more that two lines!

I really need to think about my vote, but I will place one later 2day or early 2morrow.

Delusional day? What is that even supposed to mean? Additionally, if you think she needed to be moved, why did you even post her as a 6 on your Scum-O-Meter to begin with?! If ronnieroo were to flip scum, that vaguely worded post on your Scum-O-Meter basically gives you the ability to say "well, she was a 6 on my Scum-O-Meter" but it also lets you say "well, I said she needed to be moved." Win-win, eh, 12Keyblade?

Haha. You're so funny. I don't play those games. Please don't pretend like I do.

Delusional Day (n) -- a day upon which one is too lazy to do work. The mind is understimulated and thus, one tends to say/type/write/think things that make no sense or are delusional.

New New Scum-O-Meter

Town

KittyMo (2)
ronnieroo (3)
Riddle (3.5)
BlueRaven (4)
Raskol (5)
geekalicious (7)

Scum

So, with this in mind, I feel perfectly comfortable with the following line.

Vote: geekalicious

.

Thank you and have a nice day.

[12Keyblade]

Delusional Day (n) -- a day upon which one is too lazy to do work. The mind is understimulated and thus, one tends to say/type/write/think things that make no sense or are delusional.

Calling on the excuse of laziness = weak.

Strawmanning=weak. I really don't want a flame war here.

[12Keyblade]

Well, Kitty is the only one that hasn't voted yet, and we have a problem.

Votes:

geekalicious: 2 (12Keyblade, Riddle)
Riddle: 2 (Raskol, ronnieroo)
Raskol: 1 (BlueRavne)

Problem!

[12Keyblade]

At deadline, ½ the original number of votes will be required for a lynch. In the case of a tie, the person who first received the required number of votes will be lynched. If this number is not met, a No Lynch will occur. There will be no reduced number of votes in LyLo.

It's 4 to lynch, so we're actually OK right now. I think Geek is going to be lynched at the deadline, since he's got the required number of votes and got them before Riddle did. So, we're not going to be stuck no lynching. *sigh of relief*

Um, so what happens now? How do we officially decide between Riddle and Geek? How is roleclaiming going to work?

I'm really having trouble deciding here. If I had to choose right now, though, I'd vote for Riddle.

I say (if he agrees) we have BlueRaven hammer who you vote for after they both claim, people talk, etc.

[12Keyblade]

Raskol:

OK Mon, here's your info:

Post 53: Begins the long chain of overanalysing my random vote for reverendpsycho.
Post 64: Places the second vote on BlueRaven. He also placed the second vote on TFGM, so either he's on at all the wrong times, or he likes to be second on bandwagons.
Post 157:

I'm not following others. I look at the person's actions, I look at points that others have brought up about them, and then I take the action I see fit.

And yet, in both cases where you were vote #2 (and the only votes you had placed up to that point), there was little to no content between your vote and the first one.
Post 395: Places the second vote on Zachrulez because of his case on ronnieroo. To me, ronnie seems town, but geek's blatant defense puts me on edge. Also selectivly quoted Zach to make him seem scummier.
Post 440: Possible, maybe, not really, but kinda buddying to Kitty. I may have said the exact same things, which is why it's not a big deal for me.
Post 495:

Oh great.... Both of our IC's are dead.... >_<

This falls along the same lines as "Good job Doctor!" or "Darn, our cop is dead." IMO, a null tell, but to some it's a light-up billboard.
Post 510: A post from ronnie, which I just noticed, which may be returning the favor of geek defending her.
Post 523:

The only commentary that I can make is that I think that at least 12Keyblade and/or ronnieroo is cleared from being scum since they were both on V/LA during the period of time when night actions needed to be submitted. That means that at least one scum (or perhaps both) was definitely in town during the period to submit a night kill.

Never. Ever. Metagame. The. Night. Don't forget it.
Posts 529 and 530: Please read these loverly posts from our new player Monsieur for more detail than what I've put here.
Post 569:

So why couldn't I have been doing the same thing instead of "panicking"? Granted, I was sick, but what led you to jump to the conclusion that I was lurking?

I wasn't aware that you were sick, and as such, I apologize.

So unless anyone (besides the accused) is against it, I will vote for geek after illin's replacement shows up and offers his opinion, unless that manages to sway me in the extreme.

There's my case against geek.

[12Keyblade]

So, that's L-1. Just so we're all aware.

Re Riddle's analysis: On the first readthrough, it looked really good. Kinda like what I'd expect from Monsieur, TBH. However, looking back, it could have had more content. I'm really having an issue getting a good read on him because of all the replacements, but the fact that the player slot has been scummy sound kinda weak. He seems to be the majority opinion, but I'm happy with my vote where it is.

Also, I see fit to remind everyone that after this lynch, when day breaks I won't be here. So don't ask me questions yet. And no speedlynching! (unless hypothetical cop has a guilty).

[12Keyblade]

Crap. Is anyone on? If so, I suggest hammering Riddle unless you'd prefer I do it.

[12Keyblade]

You know what? Never mind. I've reread, and I'd rather have a more active poster D3. I don't care if this makes me look scummy, it needs to be done.

Unvote

Vote: Riddle

Harp on me all you want D3. Just remember I won't be here until the 16th. Good luck to any docs/cops out there; I'm rooting for us!

[12Keyblade]

Ask and ye shall recieve geek:

Re Post 712: All your accusations are calling my defenses weak. So really, I'm going to keep the same defense, regardless, because I don't lie and change my story.

The answer to why I hammered is simple: I don't like deadline lynches. I believe they are a cop out. I may have jumped the gun by 3 hours. Big deal. I wanted to be sure we had concensus, and I felt it needed to be done. Looking back, I obviously feel dumb about hammering a Townie, but having the balls to do something isn't scummy.

Also, if there is a cop, they should claim now with any/all results. If there is not, then fine. See you all on Sunday; no speedlynching!

[12Keyblade]

I just wanted to let y'all know that I'm back. This game is my first priority and I'm rereading from my V/LA Announcement back, so It'll be a while, but I'll get there!

[12Keyblade]

Here are my thoughts, live as I reread. Really, it's a good read!

Should we do a massclaim? I don't really know how those work, but I think we collectively decide who is the scummiest and have them go first, and then that person chooses next, and so on and so forth until we've all claimed. I've never actually done one in any of my games, so I don't know the procedure.

I'm still reading, though. ~

Massclaim could work...

I already claimed as a vanilla townie yesterday, so I won't be needing to claim again, right?

Currently, after looking through the game again today, I find 12Keyblade most suspicious based on what I've posted in my post 712. Additionally, I've added bold to the points of key interest in the post below:

KittyMo
Post 5: Votes Krauthammer for having the funniest username.
Post 10: Admits to lurking being a pet peeve of hers. Likes to get them replaced, not lynched.
Post 16: Posts a game for geekalicious to read where she and xRECKONERx play, and xRECKONERx fails at scum.
Post 18: Playstyle is scumhunting, which she sometimes fails at.
Post 29: Votes TFGM for voting no lynch and claiming to be experienced. Inference: No Lynch is a horrible idea.
Post 61: Tells TFGM to stop screwing with the game, unless he’s frustrated scum.
Post 160: Accuses me of “tunnel vision” and mentions an “investigation.”

Cop

breadcrumb?
Post 162: FOSs reverendpsycho for having weak voting reasons.

Scum-O-Meter says: 3 out of 10

Also, I see fit to remind everyone that after this lynch, when day breaks I won't be here. So don't ask me questions yet. And no speedlynching! (unless hypothetical

cop

has a guilty).

You know what? Never mind. I've reread, and I'd rather have a more active poster D3. I don't care if this makes me look scummy, it needs to be done.

Unvote

Vote: Riddle

Harp on me all you want D3. Just remember I won't be here until the 16th. Good luck to any

docs/cops

out there; I'm rooting for us!

Also, if there is a

cop

, they should claim now with any/all results. If there is not, then fine. See you all on Sunday; no speedlynching!

Throughout the entire game, 12Keyblade has shown an unhealthy interest in rolefishing for the cop role.

Tee hee, you're so funny. I don't rolefish. It's how I play.

I actually think a massive claim wouldn't be a bad idea, the only thing is, the mafia will know who to target tonight. My vote goes to BlueRaven as to who claims first.

If we screw up, it won't matter. If we don't, we're still that much closer (and it adds an extra bit of WIFOM when they survive :O )

Vanilla town, thats it.
Next i'd like ronnie's claim next, as of before.
By the way, kitty, why do u think i'm the most scummy?
And no one has answered my question yet...

What question?

Well, that was faster than I thought it'd be...this worries me guys. I left for 5 days and had 1 page of posts to read. No discussion=scum win. Geek, I've defendend against your accusations time and time again. Either vote for me (bad, as scum will quickhammer) or quit tunnelling.

I'll claim if y'all want me to. Just say the word.

[12Keyblade]

I think between Blue and ronnie, Blue is more likely to be scum

THAT IS NOT A CONTRADICTION WITH ANYTHING I SAID.

Disclaimers now Kitty? Remind me who your other suspect is pls.

[12Keyblade]

Whoops, sorry for neglecting the thread. As to my scummy hammer, I jumped the gun by two hours. Two. Hours. It was clear that we weren't going to get any input before deadline or before I left, so I dropped the hammer. If having the guts to do so was an issue, then fine. Lynch me for doing what was going to happen anyway.

Claim: Town.

Anything else I need to deal with?

[12Keyblade]

Ok, I'm back. Didn't get a chance to post last night.

Since I'm supposed to roleclaim next here it goes,
I want to say congratz to the mafia roleblocker, I would like to know why you chose to roleblock me though.

I'm cop. I investigated KittyMo night one and was roleblocked, and 12KeyBlade night two, was roleblocked.

Well, um...OK. Curious as to the investigations (reasons why), but OK.

So...should we let ronnie lead us, as it appears geek and I are merely going to continue to go back and forth? Or would you rather I ressurect my PBPA from earlier?

[12Keyblade]

After doing that bandwagon analysis, it struck me that I'd never really looked into 12Keyblade being scum. Well, after thinking it over for a while, I honestly feel like an idiot for not having considered it earlier, as it makes a lot of sense to me.

He starts off the game in a fairly normal manner, until this post, where he begins buddying ronnieroo

(ORLY? How so? By being helpful and answering my own questions?)

, and states that his playstyle consists of careful thinking and interrogation. (Has anyone noticed this being his playstyle? I sure haven't...)

(Good catch!)

After FOSing TFGM, Keyblade then makes this post that reeks of scumminess. It's incredibly non-commital and insincere, like he's waiting for other people to decide if they find it scummy before he decides how he feels about it.

(What the heck???)

Then, he active lurks for a really long time, mostly just quoting Reckoner and saying he agrees.

Next, he asks for a roleclaim at L-2 here. I've never, ever seen someone roleclaim at L-2, so this seems quite odd to me.

(I apoligize. I did jump the gun on that one. But I'd do the same thing on either side.)

Pretty soon afterwards, he points out here that I supposedly cop-breadcrumbed, which is very much anti-town, which ends up leading to an awkward response from ronnieroo, which is probably the reason why the roleblocker roleblocked ronnie. (Assuming she's the cop, of course.)

(It's what I do. If you're going to breadcrumb, do it better.)

He also lies here about how I marked the word investigation with quotes

(Accident! Honest!)

, and when Zach calls him on it, he never responds. He active lurks for 3 days, votes for Zach, then goes on vacation without unvoting.

(And I was happy I did at the time.)

Start of Day 2, he does more active lurking. (Though, that is partially my fault...but still, this guy active lurks way way way too much.)

(How is it your fault?)

In fact, that's what he does most of the first half of Day 2. Most noteworthy post is here, where not only is he active lurking, but he buddies Geek in the same post. o.O

(Not buddying. MErely commenting.)

He changes his scum-o-meter around a lot here with no real explanation. There's another extremely non-commital post here.

Ok, now right here is about the scummiest post I've ever seen in my life. I don't know why I didn't notice this yesterday; perhaps because of the deadline-almost-here-moment, but wow...non-commital, makes no sense, possibly lying, insincere, all in one!

(Oh-ho, really? I disagree with you!)

Mentions power roles *again* here and here, and in the second one he also hammers extremely scummily without a real explanation, totally ignoring what the rest of the town had agreed to do, and *doesn't care* that it will make him look scummy tomorrow. The only reason you wouldn't care if you look scummy in LyLo is if YOU'RE SCUM, because if you're scum in 5-person-LyLo, your partner gets another chance the next day. He offers his explanation here, but I still don't get why he couldn't have explained it back in the post where he hammered. It's not a very good explanation, either...another mention of the cop, but at least it makes sense in this situation. Crappy defense to Geek's accusation in this post, though that seems to be becoming the norm. This post makes no sense, and when asked to explain, he doesn't. And, finally, it doesn't occur to him here that Ronnie could be scum, and is OK with just following whatever she says.

Summary:
The most likely reason for Keyblade to have a different playstyle than he says he does, sets active lurking records, is very noncommital, often makes no sense when posting, seems to have an obession with rolefishing, doesn't care if he'll look scummy in LyLo, has to invent a reason for why he hammered early, and that it doesn't occur to him that a claimed cop could not be the cop, is...
because he is scum.

Vote: 12Keyblade

..................................

Unvote

That was just for dramatic effect. ^_^ I'm not ready to seriously vote him, but I do definitely think he is most likely to be scum. I feel like a total idiot for not seeing all of this before, when it's been painted right in front of our faces.

As for his partner would be? I'm unsure. His interactions with Geek and Ronnie are quite interesting, but I'm not sure if that makes them more or less likely to be buddies.

Anyway, I'm curious on everyone's thoughts on my case. -yawn- I might go take a nap now. That took a while...

- KittyMo

Well, I'm very happy with my play here. I would like to point out a post of mine.

Well, um...OK. Curious as to the investigations (reasons why), but OK.

So...should we let ronnie lead us, as it appears geek and I are merely going to continue to go back and forth? Or would you rather I ressurect my PBPA from earlier?

And bravo. Really. Well played by all. Do you really think I'm dumb enough to make that post without an ulterior motive? No. No I'm not.

Everyone expects reaction fishing on D1, right? Seeing what happens when you vote someone with little/no reason? How about D3? No? Good.

Kitty--You jumped on me immediatly. However, you may have contradicted yourself. In your first post, you say "I'm leaning toward it being true." In your EBWOP, you say "Did you even consider she might be scum?" Yes, yes I did. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised. But the question is, did you?

Geek--Unfortunatly, I like your response. You instantly called her on the fact that she was blocked two nights in a row. Then you pointed out to me oh-so-nicely that she has no results, so she could be faking.

ronnie--In the post after geek's, you added a wonderful layer of WIFOM. "If I was fake, I'd have done it better." Uh-huh. TBH, I don't remember what you said your experience was, but I'm having issues buying it.

BlueRaven--Well, you didn't react as strongly as I'd hoped. I'm not sure what to make of your response. However, reading theory is good. *goes and edits theory so it's all wrong* Nah, I wouldn't do that. Also, in the spirit of your post, I think I'll list my pairs, most to least likely.

ronnieroo and KittyMo
ronnieroo and geekalicious
KittyMo and geekalicious
ronnieroo and Blueraven
BlueRaven and geekalicious
KittyMo and BlueRaven

Also, Kitty? You stated earlier that now the scum know the setup. How so?

[12Keyblade]

That's mature VRK. Delete my post. OK, whatever

Nah, just kidding.

[12Keyblade]

That's mature VRK. Delete my post. OK, whatever

Nah, just kidding.

???

Tell you after the game.

[12Keyblade]

Oh, and ronnie's claim? False. Double-roleblocked cop? Please.

Also, please answer my question about the setup.

[12Keyblade]

The scum have known the setup since Vel-Rahn Koon posted Raskol's death scene, because he was the doctor. They know this because if they have a roleblocker, they know there is a cop. If they do not have a roleblocker, there is no cop. (This also answers a question Keyblade had for me.)

Already answered.

*facepalm*

Thank you.

[12Keyblade]

KeyBlade, ok you have me listed three times, meaning you think that I could be a scum buddy to anyone, and you don't believe my claim. The thing that I really don't like, is that you're not voting for me. Shouldn't that be enough? If you think I'm lieing about being cop, then wouldn't that make me mafia? So why aren't you voting for me?

Ok, when I say too innocent, it means everything is too sugar coated. It sounds too nice and perfect. I don't want scum tells.

By the slight, itty bitty chance you're town, I don't want a scum quickhammer.

[12Keyblade]

i never said anything about thinking kitty was inoccent. To me its guilty untill proven inoccent. And dont bring up that post after my epic slip up. That was just me trying to dig my self out of that hole and fail.

But i must add this was all driven by a gut feeling... so you know....

Oh, wow, this post reeks of scumminess.

I had to go (away from the comp) so i didnt have to finish my answer. I think you and reckoner are not scum because you both have been trying to work everyone off my case, which a mafia wouldnt try to do because if they can get someone easyly out of the picture it will give them to kills in 24hours. either that or you both are using a stratergy i dont know about yet.[/ooc]

The above is the only time you've ever mentioned whether you think I'm scummy. So, yes, you did in fact say something about thinking I'm innocent.

Guilty until proven innocent? The only way to "prove" someone's innocence is to see their death scence. You really have the mentality that everyone in this game besides you is scum? o.O

I'm still waiting for a reason that I'm the scummiest one here, besides gut feeling and being third on a bandwagon. I am also still waiting on examples of when I did wishy-washy voting and called someone a townie without saying "if."

Quit. Avoiding. My. Questions.

You are scummy because I find your case on me to be full of holes.

[12Keyblade]

Oh my god guys, so sorry. School kills. Seriously.

Content shortly following.

[12Keyblade]

He starts off the game in a fairly normal manner, until this post, where he begins buddying ronnieroo

ORLY? How so? By being helpful and answering my own questions?)

Saying "I like you!" in that manner is blatant buddying.

I apoligize. There is more to the game than just blatant killing, and I believe in being pleasant and playing like this was real life, talking to people face to face.

and states that his playstyle consists of careful thinking and interrogation. (Has anyone noticed this being his playstyle? I sure haven't...)

Good catch!

Yeah. I know. o.O

After FOSing TFGM, Keyblade then makes this post that reeks of scumminess. It's incredibly non-commital and insincere, like he's waiting for other people to decide if they find it scummy before he decides how he feels about it.

What the heck???

>_> Saying "what the heck?" doesn't really mean anything. If you have a counter-argument or a more specific question, we can further discuss this.

OK then: Please explain, in detail, how this is scummy. I do not understand what you are telling me.

Pretty soon afterwards, he points out here that I supposedly cop-breadcrumbed, which is very much anti-town, which ends up leading to an awkward response from ronnieroo, which is probably the reason why the roleblocker roleblocked ronnie. (Assuming she's the cop, of course.)

It's what I do. If you're going to breadcrumb, do it better.

Hahaha. Funny. Trying to blame me for your anti-town actions. All I did was type in the word "investigation", realized it sounded like a cop-breadcrumb, but left it in hopes of redirecting the nightkill. I didn't go out and say that a long time ago because then that would've been a softclaim, which is baaaad. Also, "It's what I do" is a horrible defense for acting antitown.

He also lies here about how I marked the word investigation with quotes.

Accident! Honest!

You sure "accidentally" do things a lot. Why didn't you respond to this a long time ago, back when Zach originally asked?

I thought I had?

Start of Day 2, he does more active lurking. (Though, that is partially my fault...but still, this guy active lurks way way way too much.)

How is it your fault?

Because I was active lurking for part of it too, having a conversation with you about Harry Potter... However, my point still stands that I have never seen someone active lurk this much that hasn't been scum.

See point on my "buddying up to ronnie"

In fact, that's what he does most of the first half of Day 2. Most noteworthy post is here, where not only is he active lurking, but he buddies Geek in the same post. o.O

(Not buddying. MErely commenting.)

Yeah, you totally said without any buddying motive "You are so my favorite in this game!" I find that unlikely.

See point on "buddying ronnieroo"

Okay, so you commented against about half my case. But you left another half of it totally alone. I disagree that it was a failed case. It's certainly not the best case I've ever made, but quite a few of my points do stand. However, I think we need to clear up the situation with Ronnie first before coming back to this.

You are scummy because I find your case on me to be full of holes.

Okay. Might wanna update your scum-o-meter then...probably on everyone, since your reads on people seem to have drastically changed. Reasons this time, please.

Town

BlueRaven--Doesn't post much content, is hard to get a read on.
KittyMo--Case on me is incorrect.
geekalicious--See multiple previous cases.
ronnieroo--Cop claim is incredibly implausible, and posts two lines at a time.

To clear this up, I do NOT currently find KittyMo most suspicous, at this moment she's in my bottom two.

Secondly, I thought she was overplaying innocence on day one. I don't think she is anymore, and I never said I still did. She was worth investigating on day one.

@KeyBlade, ok I've noticed I've gone from obviously town to 99% sure mafia. I find it odd that you've thought I was town the whole game, and now after role claiming a town role you think I'm mafia. What has caused you to change your mind? The unlikly hood of it happening changed your mind?

Yes.

Forgot to add on:
If anyone thinks I am posting too much, kindly tell me to shut up, and I'll do it. I personally want to hear more from...well, all of you, but particularly BlueRaven.

No, this is good! [/notbuddying]

im sorry and i realy am, one of my family members has had an accident and my parants and i are now going up to london to see them. I'll be away for the next few days unfortunitally. If you realy want to lynch me do so and lose.

V/LA till sunday 30th.

Oh gosh, I'm so sorry.

Vote: ronnieroo.

Seriously? A cop with no results? No. That's bad. I mean, if you're gonna fakeclaim, do it better pls. Give an innocent on your scumbuddy or SOMETHING!

[12Keyblade]

Awesome lurk FTW! Glad Kitty posted the PMs, just a few things to say.

Town definitely would have won this without the major lurkage that showed up near the end.

If you guys didn't notice, I actually (using some points from Zach's case) attempted to get a lynch on ronnnie D2, then jumped back on the best BW.

I was really excited to be scum, it's my fav alignment.

Kitty, your case was way convincing. One night, I was literally freaking as I realized I was gonna get lynched. Then I remembered that my Scumbuddy was the one presenting it! You said no bussing on D1, and yet...nah, all is forgiven. You rock.

Geek, I'm really sorry that I was tunneling on you. D1, you appeared the scummiest and I always (town or scum) have a bad case of tunnel vision.

Ronnie, we got super lucky on our roleblocks. We had no idea that you were the cop; we thought it was all vanilla. When I saw "Raskol, Doctor" I went SHITFUCKSHITSHITSHITFUCKDAMMITWE'REFUCKED or something like that. Next time, just claim vanilla, b/c if you didn't, I was gonna claim cop.

Blueraven, lurk less pls. Also, you gave up way too fast D1. That's way bad, seriously.

Dead people: Sorry, but we did what was necessary!

Hope we can all be friends after this.

--12Keyblade
Lighting a fire to sing around.

[12Keyblade]

Sorry I've been gone. Real life has made me really, really busy. Anyway, I'm just extremely thankful I made it here in time for the deadline.

Well, I'm scared to do this, but I'm going to do it anyways:

Vote: 12Keyblade

*prays that the game isn't over*

...wait. a. minute.

According to VRK's deadline counter, I'm about 4 minutes after the deadline.

There's no reduced number of votes in LyLo.

We just no lynched.

I just lost the game for the town. Because I'm 4 minutes and 58 seconds late.

I can't believe this is happening... I'm so, so, so sorry.

Dang timezone differences. Gaaaah.

Okay, I'll shut up now. I just feel really stupid. Good game, town. I bet we would have won if I hadn't screwed up.

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

- KittyMo

Convincing as hell. You rock!

Also, I love how we considered killing Ronnie for a minute N1. Dammit, we should have!

Town: THAT HAMMER WAS NOT SCUMMY! I JUMPED THE GUN BY LIKE 1 HOUR! JEEZ!

Reckoner - I wanted you dead because you scared me. In a good way. xD You seemed most likely to catch on to me, and you began catching on to Keyblade early on. Having both ICs silenced by Day 2 was a big blessing in this game, because then I could take on the role of being the most nice and helpful player. It was tempting when I saw you on scumchat yesterday to say "Oh, Reckoner, you're going to lose Newbie 810 in about 6 hours. Just so you know." :p

LOL. Wait, since when are you two on ScumChat??

Also, I gotta say that the part of the game that probably amused me the most was when Keyblade immediately called Ronnieroo scum after she claimed cop after having a town read on her all game in general. How he was not immediately and unceremoniously lynched after that... I will never know.

You couldn't have written "I WANT TO LYNCH THE COP!" in bigger letters if you tried.

Remember an early game comment I made? Hold on...

I would like to suggest that all players get an avatar so as to tell your posts apart quickly on rereads.

And if scum could make their avatars big red letters that say "

I AM MAFIA, LYNCH ME

!" that would be fantastic. [/joke]

Remind me later. I don't have a September Avvie yet.

Awesome lurk FTW! Glad Kitty posted the PMs, just a few things to say.

Town definitely would have won this without the major lurkage that showed up near the end.

You don't think I could've won Day 4?

Yeah, you prob. could have. I briefly considered bussing you, then realized Roleblocker > Goon.

[12Keyblade]

Well I'd say one of either Kraut/Keyblade is scum, yes.

I think there is scum on the BlueRaven wagon because I'm getting newbtown vibes from Raven but can see he had a few

huge

fuck ups. It's the perfect opportunity for scum to push a lynch on D1. I don't have a strong read either way on anyone on the wagon (and excuse me for that, my mother had fucking heart surgery Monday and I haven't been able to formulate a whole goddamn case), but I assure you there is at least one scum on there.

Current voters: krauthammer, 12Keyblade, geekalicious.

I'm currently looking at (in ABC order) Geek, illini (would help if he'd answer my Q's), and Raven.

By looking at them I meant suspicous of them...

"If GreenMonkey is innocent then my suspicions would move over to either KittyMo or geek. Currently the contradiction and vote for no lynch naturally bring me to suspect you though GreenMonkey."

You wrote this. Why have you chosen to pursuit geek over kittymo?

That was at that time. More has since come up that has caused me to rewrite my suspect list a bit.

And yes, I feel that Geek is more suspicous then KittyMo, at this moment in time at least.

Breadcrumb after your failed investigation?

This (with bold added):

12Keyblade: Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:58 pm

BlueRaven: Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:39 pm

geekalicious: Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:46 pm

illiniguy09: Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:16 pm
KittyMo: Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:17 pm
Monsieur: Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:26 am
ronnieroo: Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:15 pm

Coupled with this:

2. It's possible his lurking can be attributed to panicking.

12Keyblade, you hadn't posted in the thread since about the same time I had, but I'm the one lurking and "panicking." Uh. Huh. However, I note going through your post history that you were posting in other places such as General Discussion and the Queue after that time. Were you the one "panicking" in this thread?

Little bit.

[12Keyblade]

Also: I don't see how after I got NK'd following my suspicions on Kraut and Keyblade, there wasn't an immediate witch hunt on those two.

I figured you were knocked off because you're an IC, and your death thus served to spread confusion.

Si, si senor!

That's why I was going to be forced to kill ronnieroo N3, because it would make no sense for BlueRaven or Geek to die instead of me. =/

Besides, there are reasons to keep pro-town looking people alive. The WIFOM of them being alive, or if they tend to lead the town to mislynches.

I would actually have kept her alive for the sheer WIFOM.

"What?? Our no-result cop is alive? Still? Hmm..."

EBWOP:
By the way, the reason I wanted a massclaim because I was dying to find out who the cop was. lol

ROLEFISHING! OBV SCUM!

Daykill: Kittymo

Dayblock: Zachrulez.

Claim or die scum.