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Post Post #22 (isolation #0) » Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:11 am

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ronnieroo wrote:
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What is your general play style and how many games have you played before? (If you've played lots I just need a quick estimate 20+, 50+. 100+, etc)
Being my first game i dont have a style and before it would be 0... XD
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Post Post #62 (isolation #1) » Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:10 am

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just cus im going with the crowd:

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Post Post #65 (isolation #2) » Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:30 am

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ac.... dam.... thats not good... i read a poll earlyer saying about a newbie mistake... i think im the person that just slipped up and did the newbie mistake.
I'll stand by my vote for now just to see what happens.
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Post Post #66 (isolation #3) » Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:32 am

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sorry about double posting but i've changed my mind

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Post Post #72 (isolation #4) » Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:43 am

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>.> i cant explain my self, thats the thing, u cant tell if they are lieing or not. Thats the whole point of this game (as far as im aware.) I guess you'll just find out when i get lynched.
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Post Post #74 (isolation #5) » Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:47 am

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cus everyone else did... yep u think im scum, even i would XD i feel so stupid...
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Post Post #78 (isolation #6) » Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:59 am

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i was going from the top, and just for randomness too...
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Post Post #80 (isolation #7) » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:14 pm

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2bh i dont know...
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Post Post #83 (isolation #8) » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:18 pm

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XD yep as usual im a big help. oh and whats an FoS?
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Post Post #85 (isolation #9) » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:22 pm

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oh right. thanks
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Post Post #98 (isolation #10) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:16 am

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just to ask, what were to happen if we get to 22/07 and we still havnt reached a verdict?
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Post Post #100 (isolation #11) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:58 am

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what is there to explain? Im a nwb, i say something wrong. making me look like a scum. simple as realy...
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Post Post #106 (isolation #12) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:22 am

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i would of thought that me trying my hardist to stay in would be a bit more suspicious cus there arnt many scum so it would be harder for the remains.
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Post Post #108 (isolation #13) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:34 am

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thats what i said, scum would definetly try their utmost best to try to stay alive.
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Post Post #110 (isolation #14) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:48 am

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... good point...
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Post Post #134 (isolation #15) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:46 am

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KittyMo wrote:Directed @ BlueRaven
Myself wrote: 1. Who do you currently find suspicious and why?
2. Do you remember your entire thought process for voting me? If so, could you please explain it to us?
3. Who do you currently find not suspcious and why?

(Good question, Reckoner!)
ok after an extensive examination of all the posts b4 my increadably nwb mistake i've come to a conclusion:

1) that TFGM (or his replacement) for the evidance that other players have given against him being town. And krauthammer for defending, but this could be turned around saying that he's just giving his own opinion and thats it. Of corse this could go one even further saying that im vilanising them...

2) Yes i can. I was being brain-dead acting on spur of the moment being a nwb. But that has changed (i hope) seeing ive been putting time into reading some guides.

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Post Post #135 (isolation #16) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:47 am

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oh and hi zach
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Post Post #151 (isolation #17) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:10 am

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12Keyblade wrote:
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Still not satisfied.
During this players have been telling me how that stuff like that isnt very satifiying. And to me without properly justifying your self that makes YOU look like a scum. But i dont think this is solid proof that you scum so:

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Post Post #163 (isolation #18) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:01 pm

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KittyMo wrote: Ok, I think you've answered #1 & #2 sufficiently for now. (Continue to update your answer on #1 as time goes on, though, if you're ever unsure what to post.) However, I don't understand why you don't want to answer #3. Is it because you don't want to let the scum know who to NK? I will accept not answering the question if you have a reason for not answering, but I'm not going to let you "I don't know" your way out of this one. ;)
I had to go (away from the comp) so i didnt have to finish my answer. I think you and reckoner are not scum because you both have been trying to work everyone off my case, which a mafia wouldnt try to do because if they can get someone easyly out of the picture it will give them to kills in 24hours. either that or you both are using a stratergy i dont know about yet.[/ooc]
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Post Post #164 (isolation #19) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:02 pm

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im not sure how that [/ooc] got there... >.<
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Post Post #299 (isolation #20) » Wed Jul 08, 2009 7:27 pm

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sorry my computer's been playin up recently and i've only just fixed it. But im bk and hopefully my comp wont break down again.
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Post Post #308 (isolation #21) » Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:37 am

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why me? i checked in...
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Post Post #311 (isolation #22) » Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:03 am

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oh right.

I think that you've done alot of discussing but all in all you havn't gone very far. Somewhere along the line something happened and some how u got around in a circle not answering any questions... thats just in my opinion anyway.

I think that keyblade is quite scummy but appart from that i think everyone is townie, but now thinking about it, Krauthammer was one of my suspects b4, and i think he still may be....
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Post Post #313 (isolation #23) » Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:16 am

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i find keyblade suspicious cus he seems to be trying to drive my bandwagon while most other people seems to be losing interest and belief that i am a scum.

i find Krauthammer because of the evidence that i showed in my post when kitty asked me a few questions (i cant remember when) and because he hasnt posted much since then i cant change my desision on it...
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Post Post #368 (isolation #24) » Sat Jul 11, 2009 9:13 pm

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... all i have to realy say is LOL... but appart from that, thats about it.
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Post Post #379 (isolation #25) » Sun Jul 12, 2009 11:02 am

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alright, byebye ronnieroo...
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Post Post #380 (isolation #26) » Sun Jul 12, 2009 11:04 am

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and blade...
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Post Post #472 (isolation #27) » Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:49 am

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why would you need to 'claim' if we lynch him we'll find out then, its as if he'd own up to being a scum now will he? and even if he said he had a power role we'd still lynch him so all in all i dont think this claim realy matters...
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Post Post #477 (isolation #28) » Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:05 pm

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lol, that is hilarious... and as u said reconer, we shouldnt lynch anyone till the other 2 come bk...
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Post Post #479 (isolation #29) » Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:26 pm

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well judging by the evidence and the atitude and the attacks and the etc's.... the most likely candidate would probobly be zach but reverendpsycho was also one of my past candidates before and he hasnt posted so i cant rule him out either. btw mod i think a prod needs to be given out.
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Post Post #484 (isolation #30) » Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:26 pm

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so what happens now? thats the final vote....
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Post Post #487 (isolation #31) » Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:11 pm

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your right... after about 5 mins of random-pageing i've already learned some stuff like SHSD (some one needs to organise another game of this)
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Post Post #488 (isolation #32) » Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:18 pm

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btw because of this we've achived 3rd in the longest nwb day 1.

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Records
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Post Post #494 (isolation #33) » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:20 am

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ok i thought we were going to wait for them to come back b4 we lynched. To me that was very suspisous:

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Post Post #514 (isolation #34) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:13 am

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illiniguy09 wrote:Also,
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I've always thought he was scum.
tell me then? why do you think i am scum? You cant just go around accusing people without evedence.
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Post Post #517 (isolation #35) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:30 pm

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whats a scummy?
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Post Post #522 (isolation #36) » Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:27 pm

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ok seeing that there is nothing i can think that we can talk about im gonna have re-read to see if i've missed something...
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Post Post #545 (isolation #37) » Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:44 am

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im gonna be on v/la till saturday, sorry for such the short notice guys...
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Post Post #546 (isolation #38) » Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:51 am

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btw why would i want to kill reckoner? he was defending me more than trying to lynch me. and the case illini brought up wasnt very strong in my opinion, it just covered all the old pointers about me which we've all seen before...
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Post Post #558 (isolation #39) » Sat Jul 25, 2009 10:39 am

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alright im back, i see we havnt moved much since i left... btw for now i'll
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i dont think that my vote from before was clauseable... for now....
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Post Post #583 (isolation #40) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:19 am

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sorry my computer is playing up again, i am here and i am reading but i have no comment on it. Im doing checks on my computer but if i may have to send it off.

btw when did i become a girl?
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Post Post #607 (isolation #41) » Sat Aug 01, 2009 3:58 am

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ok, i've tried everything on my computer, scanned it, defrag, etc... but there still problems on it ¬_¬... so im going to have an expert look at it so i'll be V/LA till next week, maybe a bit longer depending on how busy he is.
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Post Post #620 (isolation #42) » Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:54 pm

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ok im back from the repairers. My computer checked out that it became corrupt to a nasty virus... i dont have all that many details about it cus i wasnt the one who picked it up from the repairers.

i was reading through the posts and i jus thought that why would Monsieur PM keyblade? dosnt that seem suspisious...?

and i just realised that we dont have that much time till the deadline so we need to act fast...
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Post Post #656 (isolation #43) » Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:04 pm

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to be honest i agree with key, i dont find ronnie's game play scummy. But she could do with posting more often.

But i do agree with you when you say that you found both his predecessors scummy. I think that he's be best lynch candidate for today...

But then there is you to consider which i didnt in this theory cus i cant deside if ur scummy or just have bad judgement.
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Post Post #662 (isolation #44) » Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:15 am

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KittyMo wrote:Crap, we only have 2 days. I will most definitely be paying attention.

BlueRaven's refusal to answer my question for him is also noted. It really seems like he's trying to get away with saying as little as possible.
um.... what was your question?
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Post Post #681 (isolation #45) » Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:00 am

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KittyMo wrote:
BlueRaven wrote:
KittyMo wrote:Crap, we only have 2 days. I will most definitely be paying attention.

BlueRaven's refusal to answer my question for him is also noted. It really seems like he's trying to get away with saying as little as possible.
um.... what was your question?
Here.
i think there are 2 options to us.

1) we quickly lynch someone asap and hope we have no regrets.
2) we just leave today's lynch as no lynch and risk the loss.

presonally i think we should do the second but im not sure who i should vote, either geek or riddle...
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Post Post #682 (isolation #46) » Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:01 am

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i ment the first not the second. XD
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Post Post #685 (isolation #47) » Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:13 am

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the more i think about it the more i become suspective, on page 26 raskol finds ronnie scummy as hell enough to vote for her. But by page 27 people such as me and key think that she is townie and defend her. In his head raskol may of thought that this would eventuallly vilanise him, so he quickly changes his vote to someone who is more scummy-ish. i think he's is a nwb scum.

vote: raskol


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Post Post #687 (isolation #48) » Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:17 am

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may i also add, my vote will stay there for tonight but on the last day if we arnt going to get a lynch in and someone is on L-1 i WILL hammer them.
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Post Post #691 (isolation #49) » Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:39 am

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so then, shall we start with the role claim? even though i think this is pointless, cus they'd say that they are town instead of scum (like who'd admit to being scum appart from TFGM). even if they said that they were a power role for town, then if someone else is a power role then they'd know that u were speaking balls. but go ahead, do the roleclaim anyway.
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Post Post #693 (isolation #50) » Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:48 am

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any power role or just vanillia?
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Post Post #696 (isolation #51) » Sat Aug 08, 2009 10:21 am

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what happens if the ammount of scum is equil to the ammount of town?

i made this little diagram showing the possible destinies of this game cus i was feeling a little bored.

start of day 2


town1
town2
town3
town4
town5
town6 dead
town7 dead

scum1
scum2

start of day 3 (poss.)


town1
town2
town3
town4
town5 dead (NKed)
town6 dead
town7 dead


scum1
scum2 dead (lynched day 2)

end of day 3


town1
town2
town3
town4
town5 dead
town6 dead
town7 dead


scum1 dead (= we win)
scum2 dead

or

town1
town2
town3 dead (NKed)
town4 dead (lynch day 3)
town5 dead
town6 dead
town7 dead

scum1
scum2 dead

move onto day 4


make or brake, if we lynch town we lose, lynch scum we win.

OR
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start of day 3


town1
town2
town3 dead (NKed)
town4 dead (lynched day 2)
town5 dead
town6 dead
town7 dead

scum1
scum2

this is the equil point, it only takes 2 to lynch so if a scum votes for 1, the other will follow suit and there is a lynch and nothing can stop them.
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Post Post #698 (isolation #52) » Sat Aug 08, 2009 10:23 am

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so we need to be 100% sure on who we lynch or there could be that dificulty,

i also just thought about if the 2 town worked out who the 2 scum were and made their own co-oridinated attack b4 the scum did. but that is unlikely in my opinion.
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Post Post #701 (isolation #53) » Sat Aug 08, 2009 10:29 am

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ah right, so that equil sinario would never emerge. thanks for pointing out my mistake.
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Post Post #703 (isolation #54) » Sat Aug 08, 2009 10:34 am

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but why would the scum opt their NK?
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Post Post #707 (isolation #55) » Sat Aug 08, 2009 10:45 am

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ok, makes sence kitty and i agree with raskol, riddle is the best lynch candidate for today...
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Post Post #714 (isolation #56) » Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:14 am

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i thought it was 1/2 the populations votes, not 1/2 the votes. if so then we would need a hammer on him.
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Post Post #717 (isolation #57) » Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:24 am

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so that means that someone needs to have 4 votes otherwise there will be no lynch so we have to have a hammer without beeing looked on as scummy.
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Post Post #721 (isolation #58) » Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:37 am

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im going for dinner at my nans tomorrow and will be there pritty much all day, i'll see if i can use the comp but i cant make any pormises.
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Post Post #732 (isolation #59) » Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:15 pm

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KittyMo wrote:
Raskol wrote: (Actually, I think we should make BlueRaven swear he won't do it first though, since he might otherwise claim that didn't understand/thought we needed to hammer. I don't think anyone else would have an excuse, though.)
BlueRaven: Do not vote for anyone unless you are later told otherwise.


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Post Post #736 (isolation #60) » Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:21 am

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oh ok, that cleared it up for everyone i think. or at least for me. I guess thats why there are nwb games.
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Post Post #742 (isolation #61) » Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:40 pm

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well it dosnt make a difference, he was going to get lynched anyway. so i dont see all the comotion.
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Post Post #754 (isolation #62) » Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:13 pm

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i dont see what all the comotion is about key hammering, he would of had the deadline lynch anyway so it dosnt make much difference....

and i think that massclaim sounds like a good idea, unlike the other single claim, we can find out where someone may of been lieing... i hope...
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Post Post #755 (isolation #63) » Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:15 pm

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plus also it strikes me as odd that geek has gotten away from the lynch on both days yet has been acused by pritty much everyone. Even both the IC's thought he was scummy... what are your thoughts on this? (sorry for the double post)
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Post Post #759 (isolation #64) » Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:59 pm

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KittyMo wrote:My mind's clearer now. Ok...

BlueRaven, who do you think should claim first? We're looking for the person we collectively agree is scummiest.
well i would of said geek but he's already claimed. So i would of thought ronnieroo would be a good start.
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Post Post #761 (isolation #65) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:45 am

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well i dont realy think that key or kitty look all that scummy and it would just be stupid to say that i am the scummiest. So it isnt that i have anything against ronnie its just a process of elimination.
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Post Post #765 (isolation #66) » Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:24 am

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Vanilla town, thats it.
Next i'd like ronnie's claim next, as of before.
By the way, kitty, why do u think i'm the most scummy?
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Post Post #769 (isolation #67) » Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:28 am

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wait a second, you said you find me the most scummiest before, now your saying that we're equil? whats up with that?
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Post Post #771 (isolation #68) » Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:25 pm

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key and kitty should be back today anyway...
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Post Post #773 (isolation #69) » Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:28 am

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KittyMo wrote:
BlueRaven wrote: wait a second, you said you find me the most scummiest before, now your saying that we're equil? whats up with that?
Nowhere did I say I found you the scummiest.

I said:
KittyMo wrote: You've raised some good points, Geek, but I wonder if we should have someone else go first just because we don't want to waste 3 days waiting around for him to get back. I think between Blue and ronnie, Blue is more likely to be scum, so I'd vote for him going first. If Keyblade was here, though, I'd probably have him go first.
It would be pointless for Geek to claim, since he already claimed, and I wanted Keyblade to go later because he wasn't here. I find all 3 of you scummier than ronnie currently, and thus I wanted you to go first. Can you please point out where I specifically said that I found you the scummiest?
Geekalicious wrote: Just letting you all know that I'm hear reading. However, it's hard to find content to post about with most of the players absent....
And why is that?
you didnt say it plane and simple but you sogested it in saying 'Blue is more likely to be scum.' who agree's with me here?
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Post Post #782 (isolation #70) » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:27 am

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so..... are we going to wait for ronnie to come back or are we just going to vote for someone else to claim in the mean time?
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Post Post #798 (isolation #71) » Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:43 pm

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ok, i've been reading alot of theory and beacuse of your inactivity or failing to post through the game i cant decide weather your cop or not.

and for future reference i havnt used the noob card for ages ¬_¬... not in day 2 or 3 and for the last 1/3 or 1/4 of day 1.

I also have been looking into 'how to be a good mafia' or 'finding mafia' sort of guides cus i have a feeling that kitty and her accumplis (if she is scum) are driving this bus to hell. And she some of the criteria:

> wishy washy voting (this is an unstable scum tell though)
> third person an wagon here
> saying someone is town without 'if'

But then it leads onto who is her partner (if she is scum of corse)
with some reaserch into posts of people i've listed what i think might be most possible combo's.

kitty & key
kitty & geek
key & geek (both look scummy and thus could create a pair)
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Post Post #816 (isolation #72) » Sat Aug 22, 2009 2:32 am

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i never said anything about thinking kitty was inoccent. To me its guilty untill proven inoccent. And dont bring up that post after my epic slip up. That was just me trying to dig my self out of that hole and fail.

But i must add this was all driven by a gut feeling... so you know....
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Post Post #835 (isolation #73) » Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:41 pm

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im sorry and i realy am, one of my family members has had an accident and my parants and i are now going up to london to see them. I'll be away for the next few days unfortunitally. If you realy want to lynch me do so and lose.

V/LA till sunday 30th.
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Post Post #884 (isolation #74) » Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:29 pm

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well all i have to say is im sorry about my lurking, i must also say that i stayed in london for longer than i thought... but at the end of the day this has been a huge jump for me as this was my first game. Next game i wont lurk as much and use my vote more.

As for my analasis? well as you may have noticed im not a big fan of word walls. Plus it would just be echoing what people have already said.

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