MKM II GAME OVER

[sirdanilot]

All I know is that Lawrencelot provides safeclaims to scum (I think they are just rolenames, but I don't know).

Mod edit
Visible Votecount

-killa seven (3): AceMarksman, Riceballtail, killa seven
-Gorrad (1): Kast

Not voting (5): caf19, ZEEnon, ortolan, Gorrad, sirdanilot

With 9 alive it takes 5 real votes to lynch.

[ortolan]

it is interesting that both Kast and AceMarksman claimed results last night that incriminate someone, which never happened previously as far as I'm aware.

Based on Shadow Knight's claim I think he might give them safeclaims, I'm going to check MKM1

[Kast]

it is interesting that both Kast and AceMarksman claimed results last night that incriminate someone,

which never happened previously as far as I'm aware.

Not quite true. Gorrad claimed to have attempted to kill Millar but Millar survived and claimed vanilla townie. Given the near universal suspicion of Millar, it seems extremely unlikely that any protection roles would have bothered to protect Millar.

This would normally be pretty solid evidence incriminating a player, especially if that player's role was already unbelievably overpowered. A direct contradiction between a confirmed townie and another player is generally more reliable evidence than a missing NK and a claimed roleblocker.

@K7 Wagon-
-What does RBT's vote count for today? Yesterday it was zero (or at least claimed to be zero). This would put K7 at possibly just 1 *claimed* real vote. If we're actually going to test his zero vote, then we need more people to vote for him.

I can vote K7 if RBT's vote is still zero. If not, two someones other than myself or Gorrad (who is also a claimed double real voter), need to place votes.

-If we're not waiting for a demonstration of K7's vote, then let's hear from anyone else who is claiming and/or end the day.

[caf19]

My vote is currently worth 1, and I'd have no qualms using it on k7 as required.

[caf19]

Actually, there's not much point hanging around, I was planning to wait to see how much RBT's vote is worth but it doesn't matter that much because k7 isn't in immediate danger of lynching.

Vote killa seven

[Kast]

Okay, so if there is one more player who has a vote worth 1 or less, please place your vote so we can see the real votecount.

[Riceballtail]

My vote seems to count for 0 again today. I mostly put it on K7 for more pressure to post.

[killa seven]

I thought we were mass claiming? seems the scum are trying to quick lynch me now before others claim and more things are discussed (caf19)

[ortolan]

I agree

Vote: caf19

[Kast]

Okay. If everyone is telling the truth about their votes, then K7 should be at L-3 (Ace=1, RBT=0, K7=0, Caf=1).

I'm going to

Vote: K7

. This should put him at L-1 if everyone is telling the truth. It puts him at 5 players voting for him, so we should see a real vote count. If K7 is lying about his vote, then I don't mind if he gets lynched. If RBT is lying about his vote count, then it'll be obvious to me (and hopefully obvious to others since Gorrad and I demonstrated our double votes yesterday). I'm mostly assuming that the claimed single votes are most likely telling the truth since that is something we can test fairly easily.

@K7-
Caf hasn't said to quicklynch you and end discussion. He said he was holding off on voting to ensure that you did not get quicklynched, but since that is not the case, then he will go ahead and place his vote. With my vote we can confirm your claim.

Mod: vote not counted, please unvote first

[caf19]

I'm not trying to quicklynch you, k7... the point of this exercise is that you

don't

get lynched. Unless you're lying, in which case, you should be lynched because you're probably scum...

[sirdanilot]

Okay so now we are supposed to have a real votecount right?

[ortolan]

unless some1's been fibbin'

[sirdanilot]

There's no real vote count and I happen to know Lawrencelot did check this game.

Meaning we have a liar?

[sirdanilot]

hey you know what

MOD: IS IT NOT YET TIME FOR A REAL VOTECOUNT AND WHY?

[caf19]

I think that given we've had a 'visible hammer', we're going to get a real votecount no matter what. So we just have to wait a bit.

[ZEEnon]

Mod: vote not counted, please unvote first

Kast did not unvote, therefore his vote was not counted. Please try again.

[Lawrencelot]

Mod: vote not counted, please unvote first

Kast did not unvote, therefore his vote was not counted. Please try again.

This is correct.

[Kast]

Oops.

UNVOTE, VOTE: K7

[ZEEnon]

NOW you can start asking for a vote count.

[Kast]

Yes thanks. Vote count would be much appreciated.

[Lawrencelot]

Visible Votecount

-killa seven (5): AceMarksman, Riceballtail, killa seven, caf19, Kast
-caf19 (1): ortolan

Not voting (3): ZEEnon, Gorrad, sirdanilot

With 9 alive it takes 5 real votes to lynch.

Real Votecount

-killa seven (4): AceMarksman, Riceballtail, killa seven, caf19, Kast
-caf19 (1): ortolan

Not voting (2): ZEEnon, Gorrad, sirdanilot

With 9 alive it takes 5 real votes to lynch.

[ortolan]

so can we lynch killah seven now?

[sirdanilot]

so can we lynch killah seven now?

Wait hold on

RBT has a vote of 0 right? Meaning K7 has a vote of one? If not, k7 has a vote of 0 as he claimed. But didn't acemarksman claim that he could lower the vote with one?

Doesn't this mean acemarksman is lying?

I am willing to hammer only if we sort everything out first. But what happened with massclaiming then?

[caf19]

Kast has 2 votes, I have 1 and RBT has 0. (or so we're claiming)

So if Ace has 1 vote, then k7 has 0. k7 claimed to have a zero-vote, but Ace claimed to have lowered it. It's possible that his power can't lower a vote-number below 0.

I think the best way to proceed is to organise the rest of the massclaim before we end the day... who hasn't claimed yet? Ort, me, sirdan, Zee, RBT?