MKM II GAME OVER

[Gorrad]

Mod: Is it possible in this game for a player to have a negative vote?

Mod: yes, that was also in the rules

[Riceballtail]

If Gorrad is a double voter, then ZEEnon has to have a negative vote, unless Sirdan's counts for 0, which he has already stated is not the case.

[Kast]

@RBT-
ZEEnon claimed a -1 vote that he has claimed has been part of his role for the entire game.

The real votecount looks like everyone is telling the truth about their current number of real votes.

I would like to hear an answer to the potential discrepancy between Ace claiming a power that reduces another player's vote and K7 claiming to have 0 votes as his normal number of votes.

@AceM-
Can you get clarification on:
-Whether your power always reduces the number of votes?
-Is there a fixed amount that your power reduces to/by?
-Can your power reduce votes below 0?
-Does your power only work on players who can jump/fly?

@Claims-
I'm going to unvote until we get the rest of the claims.

UNVOTE

If there's nothing that changes my mind after that, I'd support lynches on Gorrad or K7.

[ZEEnon]

I'm pretty sure that we wouldn't have two town-aligned players with a double vote, by the way.
Therefore, I have a feeling that one of them is lying.

[caf19]

I'm pretty sure that we wouldn't have two town-aligned players with a double vote, by the way.

Why's that?

[Kast]

@ZEEnon-
I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have a double-voting, two-shot vigilante, two-shot "affiliation + name + items + coins" cop, two-shot doctor, two-shot bulletproof, two-shot townie creator, who could potentially also enable other townies to buy lots of items. Hence my suspicion of Gorrad. But I would agree with you that it is unlikely that the town would have two players with double votes (although I also don't know why my vote is a double vote).

I assume you think one of us is lying about our role and not lying about the double vote?

@Claiming-
Are Caf, Ort, RBT, Sir, and ZEE all willing to go ahead with claiming?

If so, you guys could roll off and claim in that order.

[Gorrad]

Mod: Is it possible in this game for a player to have a negative vote?

Mod: yes, that was also in the rules

Bah! Reading's for squares.

And Ortolan should claim last, as I can confirm his role.

[ortolan]

I have no intention of (myself) claiming at all at this point

if we're massclaiming zEEnon can go next

it should be in order of scummiest, and we stop if we get obv-scum

[caf19]

I think Zee should claim now, and after that we proceed popcorn-style, since the order of who's scummiest is probably a matter of some contention. Does that sound fair?

[ortolan]

I think zEE should claim now then I will dictate whether I like his answer enough to ask somebody else to claim; or if we should lynch him

[Gorrad]

Yeah how about no. Like it or not, man, it's still a democracy, not a dictatorship.

[Kast]

@Caf-
"Fair" would be to use a random method to determine order which prevents scum from stacking claims in a favorable way.

However, I've already claimed as have my top suspects so the others claiming is something that might help but probably won't do too much. Given how easily everyone here believes implausibly overpowered roles, I doubt that scum have much to worry about from a claim.

Your suggestion certainly seems more fair and reasonable than Ort's suggestion. If we're going to proceed with a mass claim, might as well go with that.

[ortolan]

I wasn't being entirely serious there However I still think there is merit in going with the claims one by one. zEEnon claim and nominate the next person pleasey

[Gorrad]

I wasn't being entirely serious there However I still think there is merit in going with the claims one by one. zEEnon claim and nominate the next person pleasey

Good to hear, and seconded.

[ZEEnon]

I am a

Monty Mole

. I'm a digging expert in Bowser's army.
I need to stop the Mushroom Kingdon from invading the castle.

Each night I am able to target one player to take underground with me.
That player's vote is multiplied by -1 for that day.

The first night I targeted Looker. Night two I targeted Kast. He can confirm.
Night three I targeted Gorrad. You can see hinting my target here:

I believe Gorrad's claim right now.

The flavor behind the double vote is that without Bowser, I'm the closest thing we have to a leader. Also, rereading, it's worth noting that it says my vote number is inchangable.

Your vote number cannot be changed?

Night four I was awayand was unable to target anyone.
Lawrencelot started the day without waiting, which is understandable, I guess.

I win when non-Bowser aligned players are all gone.

[ZEEnon]

As for who claims next, I choose caf19.

[ortolan]

why did you target Kast?

[ZEEnon]

I hate the way he posts. It was a reason I replaced out of Notre Dame Mafia, no offense Kast.

[ortolan]

I'm really thinking a killah seven lynch seems good

he claims to be playing to his win condition but clearly isn't helping the town, plus he's claimed to have an item list but no coins, and doesn't get any. That's very scummy.

[ortolan]

did you think he was scum zEE (in this game), or was it just a policy vote deprival?

[ZEEnon]

he claims to be playing to his win condition but clearly isn't helping the town, plus he's claimed to have an item list but no coins, and doesn't get any. That's very scummy.

I haven't been gaining any coins and I started off with the list and one coin.

[ZEEnon]

did you think he was scum zEE (in this game), or was it just a policy vote deprival?

I used it for pure annoyance. I also didn't read the game, so it might as well have been pure random.

___________________________________________________________

Out of curiosity, why do you always type my name with a small 'z' ?

___________________________________________________________

[ortolan]

I think I always read it as that LoL

I will make an effort from now though

ok ZEEnon is obv-town, let's get a claim from caf

[killa seven]

Zeenon's claim seems believable, i dont care who goes next realy.

@ ort, im notlying i do have a items list and havent recieved any coins so far, you dont have to believe me but after im dead and at end game i would like a apology for calling me a liar.

[ortolan]

why would I apologise for calling you a liar in the context of a mafia game?

that post is scummy