Mafia 29: Mafia - Game over!

[Mr. Flay]

Wait... who's Joe?

joe is who STD replaced.

I'm still frustrated that every suspicion directed at me is based on lazmoth, because there's nothing I can do about his behavior. But if you want a claim, and possibly an explanation of what lazmoth was talking about about "being useful", then will it help to know that he/I am a Wise Guy. From my PM, I seem to get some sort of natural night-kill immunity, though I didn't get told if it's been used up, or whatever.

Presumably laz thought he could be a damage soak one night, thwarting the town's kill when they needed it most. I'm not sure what else to say, except to look at the people who are basing their votes *solely* on the behavior of a prior player's actions.

[Mr. Flay]

Wait... who's Joe?

joe is who STD replaced.

I'm still frustrated that every suspicion directed at me is based on lazmoth, because there's nothing I can do about his behavior. But if you want a claim, and possibly an explanation of what lazmoth was talking about about "being useful", then will it help to know that he/I am a Wise Guy. From my PM, I seem to get some sort of natural night-kill immunity, though I didn't get told if it's been used up, or whatever.

Presumably laz thought he could be a damage soak one night, thwarting the town's kill when they needed it most. I'm not sure what else to say, except to look at the people who are basing their votes *solely* on the behavior of a prior player's actions.

[DarkLight140]

Uh... SSF352, "He never said anything about defending"? Did you miss the "I had accusations pressed against me due to my earlier self (Laz). I had to defend myself" line, which was pretty much the basis for my entire post?

Mr. Flay... A Wise Guy? Huh. I'm not sure if that's in-flavor, but I'll ponder its ramifications to strategy for a while anyway before making a final decision. Temporary

unvote

.

[SSF352]

Um, yes. Yes I did. Now it makes more sense. Un-FOS DarkLight.

Mr. Flay, do you have any reason to think it isn't a permanent ability?

[Mr. Flay]

DarkLight140, I assume you meant JDTAY, not lazarusmoth, in your above post?

SSF352: I don't know, it doesn't specify one way or the other really, just that I'm tougher than usual in dealing with the town. The fact that it was mentioned at all makes me think I still have one use left (at least), but a permanent immunity to townie kills seems like too much to ask/hope for.

[Mr. Flay]

DarkLight140, I assume you meant JDTAY, not lazarusmoth, in your above post?

SSF352: I don't know, it doesn't specify one way or the other really, just that I'm tougher than usual in dealing with the town. The fact that it was mentioned at all makes me think I still have one use left (at least), but a permanent immunity to townie kills seems like too much to ask/hope for.

[Mr. Flay]

Aaaargh, with the double-posts...

[StevieT92]

I believe the wise guy claim, but all the confusion about who everybody replaced is wierd. I mean, it says it on the front page.

[SSF352]

You know... I'm starting to think I should have lynched lazarusmoth yesterday, when I had the chance. His play was scummy then, and I was holding off mostly because... well, I'll get to that later if it becomes relevant.

As for Mr. Flay, I don't particularly like the way he keeps stressing his ignorance of lazarusmoth's actions. He revoted StevieT92 on a basis of lurking after he said he thought of him as safe due to the claim. That seems more than a little off... How is voting for an innocent person, even one who's lurking, a good thing? His supposed ambiguity on there being more than one accomplice was more than a little off- and anyway, what scum would claim Accomplice when there's such a high liklihood of one being out there?

I'll agree that STD has been acting messed up, but for some reason he doesn't strike me as nearly so suspicious as Mr. Flay.

Vote: Mr. Flay.

For future reference, NanookTheWolf is behind him on my suspect list, being claiming a third spy immediately after his investigation was proven right. And yes, I know I prompted it, but he should have decided either to claim or not claim, after Thesp was accused by PeaceBringer, and stuck to that.

I think at this point, it is relevant. I would like to know what was meant here, because I'm torn on whether or not I but the Wise Guy claim. So, I'm holding off on my vote until DarkLight can clarify this statement.

[Save The Dragons]

It seems kinda vauge, the claim. But I too and interesting in knowning what Darklight was hinting at, unless he feels the need to keep it secret.

[PeaceBringer]

Hmm, claiming a nigh invulnerabilty is to me just a shaky claim, possible but shaky. I have seen scum use similar claims before and it is possible. I want to here from Darklight more since he hinted at more.

[commify]

Wise-guy. One-shot night kill immunity or something? That sounds reasonable enough.

[DarkLight140]

After consideration, I don't think I buy the Wise Guy claim. When compared to the other pro-mafia roles we know, namely Goon, Assasin, Hitman, Accomplice, Godfather, Bodyguard, and Spy, it just doesn't seem to fit. The reason I was commenting on was that I felt that lazarusmoth was implicitly claiming a power role that would undoubtedly kill him that night if he claimed by remaining silent even in the face of one-from-lynch.

However, does that work at all with this claim? I think not. If he had the role Mr. Flay describes, lazarusmoth would probably have been willing to claim fairly quickly- he would have claimed second Bodyguard, probably. Something to draw a kill but probably not a protect. He knew that we were turning against him, and he'd have no reason not to be perfectly willing to claim something good with a role like that. The Lynch All Liars policy hardly applies to a role like that.

As I see it, we're left with two options regarding Mr. Flay. Given that four kills happened last night, and two killing groups (the Godfather and the Deputy) died, there should be two nightkills left. One of these, presumably, is pro-mafia, since we've already accounted for two anti-mafia groups. We can therefore try an attempted-nightkill confirmation method, with the pro-mafia killer coming out tomorrow and proclaiming their identity, or we can lynch him and figure it's not too much of a loss, since all we're losing is a pro-mafia vote that wouldn't draw kills and might draw investigations anyway.

The former has the weaknesses that we have no hard knowledge of the second killer's alignment, we'd be wasting Mr. Flay's ability if it is as he claimed, and finally, Mr. Flay could be an invincible-at-night townie. The latter, obviously, costs us our lynch and sends us to night, though it could win us the game if Mr. Flay is the only Townie left. Opinions?

Mr. Flay, by the way, I didn't mean to say JDTAY. I meant to quote NanookTheWolf, which I did. I have trouble using the Quote format effectively, and it gets on my nerves anyway.

[SSF352]

After consideration, I don't think I buy the Wise Guy claim. When compared to the other pro-mafia roles we know, namely Goon, Assasin, Hitman, Accomplice, Godfather, Bodyguard, and Spy, it just doesn't seem to fit. The reason I was commenting on was that I felt that lazarusmoth was implicitly claiming a power role that would undoubtedly kill him that night if he claimed by remaining silent even in the face of one-from-lynch.

However, does that work at all with this claim? I think not. If he had the role Mr. Flay describes, lazarusmoth would probably have been willing to claim fairly quickly- he would have claimed second Bodyguard, probably. Something to draw a kill but probably not a protect. He knew that we were turning against him, and he'd have no reason not to be perfectly willing to claim something good with a role like that. The Lynch All Liars policy hardly applies to a role like that.

As I see it, we're left with two options regarding Mr. Flay. Given that four kills happened last night, and two killing groups (the Godfather and the Deputy) died, there should be two nightkills left. One of these, presumably, is pro-mafia, since we've already accounted for two anti-mafia groups. We can therefore try an attempted-nightkill confirmation method, with the pro-mafia killer coming out tomorrow and proclaiming their identity, or we can lynch him and figure it's not too much of a loss, since all we're losing is a pro-mafia vote that wouldn't draw kills and might draw investigations anyway.

The former has the weaknesses that we have no hard knowledge of the second killer's alignment, we'd be wasting Mr. Flay's ability if it is as he claimed, and finally, Mr. Flay could be an invincible-at-night townie. The latter, obviously, costs us our lynch and sends us to night, though it could win us the game if Mr. Flay is the only Townie left. Opinions?

Mr. Flay, by the way, I didn't mean to say JDTAY. I meant to quote NanookTheWolf, which I did. I have trouble using the Quote format effectively, and it gets on my nerves anyway.

I don't like our pro-mafia killer coming out, we want that ability as long as we can keep it. Of course, that's still assuming that it is a pro-mafia killer. However, I agree that Laz would have been a bit more concerned about staying alive with this ability, and wouldnt have been so unconcerned about being lynched. I think odds are Flay is lying.

vote Mr. Flay

[Yggdrasil]

Vote Count:

3 - Mr. Flay (PeaceBringer, Save The Dragons, SSF352)
2 - StevieT92 (NanookTheWolf)
1 - Save The Dragons (Mr. Flay)

5 to lynch

[StevieT92]

i am pondering a vote on flay, cause i perfectly agree with what darkLight and SSF have said, along with his jumping around on wagons.

[Save The Dragons]

Arg...I got you guys confused

[Mr. Flay]

i am pondering a vote on flay, cause i perfectly agree with what darkLight and SSF have said, along with his jumping around on wagons.

What; I've been jumping around? I've voted for you, twice, and now STD. I'm considering going back to you, if that counts.

DarkLight140, I won't lie about my role if I'm town, no matter what you say about LynchAllLiars not applying in this place. That's a policy I'm firm on when it comes to other people, and I won't do it myself, either. Claiming 2nd Bodyguard might have just got him/me lynched by the real one... I don't know if there's another WG out there who can verify me.

With a passive night role and a lot of suspicion on him at day, I guess I can see where lazmoth might have gotten tired of the game. I would like to hear DL140 explain the "only if it's relevant" comment that he's been so assiduously ignoring so far, since much of the suspicion directed at me seems to be coming from him, with a lot of hangers-on. So far you've seemed very pro-mafia, but then again, we haven't lynched ANY townies, so .... your turn. What's so special about you, DarkLight?

[DarkLight140]

The "only if it's relevant" comment was in place against just this eventuality. I felt that my non-lynching of lazarusmoth had reasons, but that if I were to share them, you would gain something of an advantage if scum. Now that you've claimed and can't use my reasoning to build a better claim, I've shared it. I do not have any role-based information, since you seem to be implicitly asking that. I'm sorry if the others voting with me aren't acting correctly, but I feel I have enough against you to warrant my vote.

As everyone here can probably say of themselves, there is something special about me. However, I have no intention of claiming what it is unless pressed pretty close to a lynch. And as for my pro-mafianess, I can only say it's genuine. Rest assured that if you are indeed what you've claimed, I'll be looking at the people who were so eager to see you killed and the people who hung back with the same critical eye that rests on you now.

[NanookTheWolf]

Okay, this is just dragging on too much ..

Unvote: StevieT92

and

Vote: Mr. Flay

Let's see what happens. If Mr. Flay is mafia, I'll be going after townie DL tomorrow.

[DarkLight140]

Oh. Forgot I'd unvoted. Vote:

Mr. Flay

...

[Yggdrasil]

Vote Count:

5 - Mr. Flay (PeaceBringer, Save The Dragons, SSF352, NanookTheWolf, DarkLight 140)

1 - Save The Dragons (Mr. Flay)

After a very long day filled with bandwaggoning, accusations, counter-accusations, and even a murder, you settle on Mr. Flay. He replies by saying he's just a Wise Guy able to avoid being killed at night. But, because you either don't believe him or because nobody likes a wise guy, you all get out your guns and blow his brains out.

A search of his body reveals nothing suspicious. Congratulations, you lynched a townie.

Mr. Flay's (townie) head has been blown off.

It is now NIGHT 4. Please send in night choices.

[Yggdrasil]

Night falls on the island and the killing begins. NanookTheWolf, the Town Cop, having already investigated his target, was sneaking around with his noose at the ready to lynch a mafioso. He finds PeaceBringer, the Spy, snooping around the jungle, apparently tracking down the members of the town. PeaceBringer hears Nanook approach. “Aha! You’re a townie!” he yells, but it’s too late. Nanook bludgeoned him with a fallen tree branch, then strung him up.

Walking away, satisfied with having killed another mafioso, Nanook walks back to the town, only to be jumped by a knife-wielding maniac.

Meanwhile, DarkLight140 was in his home, polishing off his (or rather Quagmire’s) sniper rifle. As a Professional Criminal capable of filling any unoccupied job in the mafia, DarkLight140 took over Quagmire’s role as Assassin after Quagmire’s untimely death. After readying the gun for use tomorrow, DarkLight140 went to sleep never to wake again, for he was shot to death in his sleep.

NanookTheWolf (Cop/Anti-Mafia) Killed Night 4
PeaceBringer (Spy/Pro-Mafia) Killed Night 4
DarkLight140 (Professional Criminal/Pro-Mafia) Killed Night 4

The town wakes and are deciding what to do, when suddenly sirens begin to sound, and Save The Dragons and SSF352 pull out guns.

“Put your hands up,” Save The Dragons says, pulling out a Sheriff’s badge. “You’re all under arrest.”

The Sheriff and his Deputy proceed to handcuff commify and StevieT92, and escort them to waiting FBI helicopters. While searching commify, the authorities find standard issue mafia weaponry and fake ID’s indicating he’s just a Goon. StevieT92, as he claimed, was an Accomplice, a member of the Godfather’s inner circle. However, the Godfather’s trust was misplaced. A thorough search reveals a bloodied knife and a journal detailing his Traitorous plans to take over the mafia.

Commify (Goon/Pro-Mafia) and StevieT92 (Traitor/Anti-Mafia), arrested in the endgame

Save The Dragons (Sheriff/Anti-Mafia), SSF352 (Deputy/Anti-Mafia), and olliep13 (Deputy/Anti-Mafia) win!

(Mod note: I realize that there were two anti-mafia groups left at the end, but StevieT92 at best could only tie, so I made an executive decision and gave the game to the Authorities).

[Yggdrasil]

Game Summary:

Authorities (Save The Dragon, SSF352, and olliep13) win!

Alive:

(2/21)
8) SSF352 (Deputy)
8) Save The Dragons (Sheriff)

Dead

(19/21):
ZONEACE (Goon) - Lynched Day 1
Quagmire (Assasin) - Killed Night 1
Locus Cosecant (Hitman) - Killed Night 1
melchizedek - (Townie) - Killed Night 1
Maximus (Goon) - Lynched Day 2
HairyMezican (Goon) - Killed Night 2
Genocide Heart (Accomplice) - Killed Night 2
Coron - (Townie) - Killed Day 3
KingEnigma (Godfather) - Killed Night 3
Mastermind of Sin (Bodyguard) - Killed Night 3
Uraj45 (Spy) - Killed Night 3
8) olliep13 (Deputy) - Killed Night 3
Thesp (Doctor) - Killed Day 4
Mr. Flay (Townie) - Lynched Day 4
PeaceBringer (Spy) - Killed Night 4
NanookTheWolf (Cop) - Killed Night 4
DarkLight140 (Professional Criminal) - Killed Night 4
commify (Goon) - Killed in Endgame
StevieT92 (Traitor) - Killed in Endgame

[Yggdrasil]

Roles

Authorities (Joe, olliep13, bloojay)
You are the

Sheriff

(Anti-Mafia) (Joe)
Each night you, and your two deputies (

olliep13

, and

bloojay

) may talk amongst yourselves and decide on someone to kill. One of you may send me the name of the person who you want to kill along with which one of you will do the killing. If the last part is not included, I will assume the one who sent the message will do the killing. Because of his extensive FBI training, Joe will appear pro-mafia to all who investigate him.

You win when all other groups are dead.

We begin during the day. Please do not send in any night choices or communicate with members of your group until the end of day 1. If you have any questions about your role or the game, feel free to ask.

You are a

Deputy

(Anti-Mafia) (olliep13)
Each night you, your Sheriff (

Joe

), and your fellow Deputy (

bloojay

) may talk amongst yourselves and decide on someone to kill. One of you may send me the name of the person who you want to kill along with which one of you will do the killing. If the last part is not included, I will assume the one who sent the message will do the killing. Because of his extensive FBI training, Joe will appear pro-mafia to all who investigate him.

You win when all other groups are dead.

We begin during the day. Please do not send in any night choices or communicate with members of your group until the end of day 1. If you have any questions about your role or the game, feel free to ask.

You are a

Deputy

(Anti-Mafia) (bloojay)
Each night you, your Sheriff (

Joe

), and your fellow Deputy (

olliep13

) may talk amongst yourselves and decide on someone to kill. One of you may send me the name of the person who you want to kill along with which one of you will do the killing. If the last part is not included, I will assume the one who sent the message will do the killing. Because of his extensive FBI training, Joe will appear pro-mafia to all who investigate him.

You win when all others groups are dead.

We begin during the day. Please do not send in any night choices or communicate with members of your group until the end of day 1. If you have any questions about your role or the game, feel free to ask.


Town (JDTAY, Coron, lazarusmoth, melchizedek, bigbenwd)
You are the

Cop

(Anti-Mafia) (JDTAY)
You,

Coron, lazarusmoth, melchizedek,

and

bigbenwd

are a bunch of angry townspeople who have come to get revenge on the mafia. Like normal townspeople, you MAY NOT communicate at night. If, during the day, a majority (greater than or equal to 50%) of you are voting for one person, you will kill that person at night. Only the first person to reach such a majority will be killed. As long as three or more of you are alive, your kills are unblockable.

As a cop, you may investigate one player each night and determine their role. You will when all other groups are dead.

We begin during the day. Please do not send in any night choices until the end of day 1. If you have any questions about your role or the game, feel free to ask.

You are the

Doctor

(Anti-Mafia) (bigbenwd)
You,

Coron, lazarusmoth, melchizedek,

and

JDTAY

are a bunch of angry townspeople who have come to get revenge on the mafia. Like normal townspeople, you MAY NOT communicate at night. If, during the day, a majority (greater than or equal to 50%) of you are voting for one person, you will kill that person at night. Only the first person to reach such a majority will be killed. As long as three or more of you are alive, your kills are unblockable.

As a doctor, you may protect one player (other than yourself) from being killed each night. You will when all other groups are dead.

We begin during the day. Please do not send in any night choices until the end of day 1. If you have any questions about your role or the game, feel free to ask.

You are a

Townie

(Anti-Mafia) (Coron)
You,

bigbenwd, lazarusmoth, melchizedek,

and

JDTAY

are a bunch of angry townspeople who have come to get revenge on the mafia. Like normal townspeople, you MAY NOT communicate at night. If, during the day, a majority (greater than or equal to 50%) of you are voting for one person, you will kill that person at night. Only the first person to reach such a majority will be killed. As long as three or more of you are alive, your kills are unblockable.

You will when all other groups are dead.

We begin during the day. If you have any questions about your role or the game, feel free to ask.

You are a

Townie

(Anti-Mafia) (lazarusmoth)
You,

bigbenwd, Coron, melchizedek,

and

JDTAY

are a bunch of angry townspeople who have come to get revenge on the mafia. Like normal townspeople, you MAY NOT communicate at night. If, during the day, a majority (greater than or equal to 50%) of you are voting for one person, you will kill that person at night. Only the first person to reach such a majority will be killed. As long as three or more of you are alive, your kills are unblockable.

You will when all other groups are dead.

We begin during the day. If you have any questions about your role or the game, feel free to ask.

You are a

Townie

(Anti-Mafia) (melchizedek)
You,

bigbenwd, lazarusmoth, Coron,

and

JDTAY

are a bunch of angry townspeople who have come to get revenge on the mafia. Like normal townspeople, you MAY NOT communicate at night. If, during the day, a majority (greater than or equal to 50%) of you are voting for one person, you will kill that person at night. Only the first person to reach such a majority will be killed. As long as three or more of you are alive, your kills are unblockable.

You will when all other groups are dead.

We begin during the day. If you have any questions about your role or the game, feel free to ask.


Accomplices (Omniplex, Scalebane, Genocide Heart)
You are a

Godfather

(Pro-Mafia) (Omniplex)
Each night, you and your accomplices (

Scalebane

and

Genocide Heart

) may talk amongst yourselves. In addition, you may submit the name of the person who you want to kill along with which one of you will do the killing. If the last part is not included, I will assume the one who sent the message will do the killing. Because Omniplex has been so proficient at impersonating townies, he will appear anti-mafia to anyone who investigates him.

You win when all anti-mafia groups are dead.

We begin during the day. Please do not send in any night choices or communicate with members of your group until the end of day 1. If you have any questions about your role or the game, feel free to ask.

You are an

Accomplice

(Pro-Mafia) (Scalebane)
Each night, you, your Godfather (

Omniplex

), and your fellow accomplice (

Genocide Heart

) may talk amongst yourselves. In addition, you may submit the name of the person who you want to kill along with which one of you will do the killing. If the last part is not included, I will assume the one who sent the message will do the killing. Because Omniplex has been so proficient at impersonating townies, he will appear anti-mafia to anyone who investigates him.

The above is the role that Omniplex and Genocide Heart believe you have. However you are in-fact, the

Traitor

(Serrial Killer). In addition to the abilities described above you may choose to hide or kill at night. If you hide, you are immune to night kills. If you choose to kill, you may send me the name of the player who you would like to kill (please indicate whether you are killing as an accomplice, a serial killer, or both). If you do not send in a kill, I will assume you are hiding (you may kill as an accomplice and hide simultaneously).

You win when everyone else is dead.

We begin during the day. Please do not send in any night choices or communicate with members of your group until the end of day 1. If you have any questions about your role or the game, feel free to ask.

You are an

Accomplice

(Pro-Mafia) (Genocide Heart)
Each night, you, your Godfather (

Omniplex

), and your fellow accomplice (

Scalebane

) may talk amongst yourselves. In addition, you may submit the name of the person who you want to kill along with which one of you will do the killing. If the last part is not included, I will assume the one who sent the message will do the killing. Because Omniplex has been so proficient at impersonating townies, he will appear anti-mafia to anyone who investigates him.

You win when all anti-mafia groups are dead.

We begin during the day. Please do not send in any night choices or communicate with members of your group until the end of day 1. If you have any questions about your role or the game, feel free to ask.

Mafia Scum (Uraj45, PeaceBringer, Mastermind of Sin, Quagmire, Locus Cosecant, DarkLight140)

You are a

Spy

(Pro-Mafia) (Uraj45, naïve)
Each night you may investigate one player to determine whether they are pro-mafia or anti-mafia. You win when all anti-mafia groups are dead.

We begin during the day. Please do not send in any night choices until the end of day 1. If you have any questions about your role or the game, feel free to ask.

You are a

Spy

(Pro-Mafia) (PeaceBringer, sane)
Each night you may investigate one player to determine whether they are pro-mafia or anti-mafia. You win when all anti-mafia groups are dead.

We begin during the day. Please do not send in any night choices until the end of day 1. If you have any questions about your role or the game, feel free to ask.

You are a

Bodyguard

(Pro-Mafia) (Mastermind of Sin)
Each night you may protect one player (other than yourself) from being night killed. You win when all anti-mafia groups are dead.

We begin during the day. Please do not send in any night choices until the end of day 1. If you have any questions about your role or the game, feel free to ask.

You are an

Assasin

(Pro-Mafia) (Quagmire)
During the day, you may PM me with the name of one player who you would like to kill. That person will be killed during the day (day will still continue after the kill). You win when all anti-mafia groups are dead.

We begin during the day. Please do not send in any night choices until the end of day 1. If you have any questions about your role or the game, feel free to ask.

You are a

Hitman

(Pro-Mafia) (Locus Cosecant)
Each night, you may kill one player. You win when all anti-mafia groups are dead.

We begin during the day. Please do not send in any night choices until the end of day 1. If you have any questions about your role or the game, feel free to ask.

You are a

Professional Criminal

(Pro-Mafia) (DarkLight140)
As a professional criminal, you have mastered all aspects of the criminal trade. When a pro-mafia player with an appropriate role dies, you will be given the option to take that person’s role. Once you take a role, you may not switch. You win when all anti-mafia groups are dead.

We begin during the day. Please do not send in any night choices until the end of day 1. If you have any questions about your role or the game, feel free to ask.

Goons (commify, HairyMezican, ZONEACE, Maximus)
You are a

Goon

(Pro-Mafia) (commify)
You have no night choices. You win when all anti-mafia groups are dead.

We begin during the day. If you have any questions about your role or the game, feel free to ask.

You are a

Goon

(Pro-Mafia)(HairyMezican)
You have no night choices. You win when all anti-mafia groups are dead.

We begin during the day. If you have any questions about your role or the game, feel free to ask.

You are a

Goon

(Pro-Mafia) (ZONEACE)
You have no night choices. You win when all anti-mafia groups are dead.

We begin during the day. If you have any questions about your role or the game, feel free to ask.

You are a

Goon

(Pro-Mafia) (Maximus)
You have no night choices. You win when all anti-mafia groups are dead.

We begin during the day. If you have any questions about your role or the game, feel free to ask.