MKM II GAME OVER

[ortolan]

I'll claim after RBT answers my questions

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ortolan (2): AceMarksman, ZEEnon

Not voting (4): sirdanilot, Riceballtail, Kast, ortolan

With 6 alive it takes 4 real votes to lynch.

[ZEEnon]

@ZEEnon-
To be clear, you are implying that your vote is still worth -1RV and so it cancels AceM's vote?

No, I proceeded the vote ortolan after I condemned AceMarksman for doing so. [/sarcasm]
Of course it's still worth -1.

[ortolan]

tbh I get the sneaking suspicion Kast checked that to see if he could hammer me and end-game

[sirdanilot]

rbt answer his questions please.

[Riceballtail]

RBT: I don't know where I made a 'breadcrumb' except for my flavour claim of when I jumped into the game?

Correct. I combined that with the knowledge that Lakitu was also in this game, and it made complete sense.

Who needs to claim now? Acemarksman? Ort?

Ort is the only one who hasn't claimed.

Also ort I actually didn't realize that gorrad's death meant you were confirmed. But you are not really 100% confirmed because of the possibility of investigation influencing factors like sanity etc.

Agreed, he can't be confirmed 100% yet. However, despite his actions, I do believe Ort to be town. He's just acting like his confirmation lets him be scummy without repercussion.

@Kast: Sorry, I thought I had addressed them.

To my knowledge, my sacrifice was temporary, but thus far it would seem to be permanent. My guess as to why my vote has been changing is somebody may have tampered with my vote, but I can't say for certain.

@Ort: This post was what really struck me as a bus, as it tried to lynch SK while buddying up to Ort.

I think you should claim because at this point, you're the only one who hasn't. While I can see you wanting to be protective of your role, I really don't think it would be hard to come up with at this point.

Other notes: I like the sound of a ZEE lynch, but Ace's recent actions are perking the idea for him too.

I think everybody should give a list of night actions (should you have any to share).

[ortolan]

RBT: What was the meaning of this:

Would the other parakoopa like to go next?

[Kast]

@RBT-
You didn't answer what time you choose to use your power.
-Is it at the start of the day?
-Anytime during the day?
-Is it at the end of the day?

-Do you give up your voting power at the time that you use your kill?

Also, I imagine you can ask the mod to clarify whether your claimed loss of voting is permanent or temporary.

@AceM-
You haven't answered whether your power can reduce votes below 0.
You haven't addressed that you claimed to have targeted K7, but he claimed to have had 0 votes the entire game and is confirmed town.

[Riceballtail]

@RBT-
You didn't answer what time you choose to use your power.
-Is it at the start of the day?
-Anytime during the day?
-Is it at the end of the day?

-Do you give up your voting power at the time that you use your kill?

Also, I imagine you can ask the mod to clarify whether your claimed loss of voting is permanent or temporary.

Night-phase. I change the votes into the balls I shoot, and would thus imagine it to be a permanent change, but I could ask.

@Ort: I have a hunch that's your role, but I really don't know for sure.

[ortolan]

@Ort: I have a hunch that's your role, but I really don't know for sure.

...

Please elaborate on the reasoning behind this "hunch"

[Kast]

@RBT-
I would like to hear the answer to Ort's question as well. What makes you think that Ort is a parakoopa?

@AceM-
I guess you are still V/LA until Thursday? Answer once you get back.

@ZEEnon-
Who did you target last night?

[Riceballtail]

From what Gorrad told us, his role starts with an R, and there was a distinction between a Red Koopa and a Green Koopa, thus I would guess there could also be Red/Green parakoopas (as confirmed by already having a green parakoopa dead).

[ZEEnon]

@ZEEnon-
Who did you target last night?

I targetted caf19.

[ortolan]

What did you think you'd gain out of me claiming if you'd already inferred my role RBT?

To me that reasoning doesn't sound very plausible. Obviously you're a genius if you could guess my role simply from the information that it started with R (and even then just hint it was a "parakoopa" role, not necessarily a red parakoopa). The same applies to your kill on qwints, the reasoning you gave for suspecting him seems implausible to me.

On the other hand in claiming you killed qwints if you were lying you'd have to think with reasonable certainty that the player actually responsible for killing qwints was no longer in the game to counter-claim you. To that end I think you may have been responsible for qwints death, but then the most likely scenario is that you are non-MK scum. I see your two explanations re: qwints and my rolename as implausible, under the dictum Lynch All Liars I would be voting you now.

[ZEEnon]

In Riceballtail's defense, this sort of makes it seem like there would be a Red Parakoopa:

-Dubya WeyounsLastClone,

Green Koopa

(Bowser's Army), killed Night 2.
-pacman281292 semioldguy,

Green Parakoopa

(Bowser's Army), killed Night 2.
-Moratorium,

Red Koopa

(Bowser's Army), killed Night 3.

There was a Red Koopa and a Green Koopa. A Green Parakoopa was killed.
It would be a reasonable inference to think that there is a Red Parakoopa.

[ortolan]

good point but you shouldn't have answered for him

[sirdanilot]

due to a family emergency I wil have to request at least temporary replacement out of my games.

[Kast]

@Sirdanilot-
Hope everything turns out okay.

@Ort-
-To be clear, are you saying that RBT is correct and you are a Red Parakoopa?

-It looks like RBT's 2010 and ZEEnon's 2013 say pretty much the same thing, although ZEEnon presents it in a more visually obvious manner.

-I don't follow how RBT guessing/knowing Ort's role name makes him more suspicious.

@RBT-
-I only think Ort should claim his role if he thinks it will help the town. At this point, a majority of players (Kast, Ort, RBT, ZEEnon) seem to pretty clearly believe that Ort is town. Making Ort claiming for the sake of claiming seems like a waste and could potentially be harmful.

-Please clarify how many votes you have had at each day of the game so far. If others can do this too, that would be appreciated.

@AceM-
Hope you are having fun at the Beach. When you get back, please share with us who you targeted each night.

@Real Votes-
If everyone is telling the truth about their vote amounts, then we have to be pretty careful with our votes today, and it looks like I have a large control of who finally gets lynched. I'm going to go through the past vote histories and see what I can find (particularly the past real vote histories).

AceM 1?/Kast 2/Ort 1?/RBT 0/Sir 1/ZEE -1

PS- As a sign of good faith to Ort, realize that if I were scum, I could simply join AceM's vote and Ort would be the first at 2 votes, so he would be the inevitable lynch. I am not doing this because I am pretty sure Ort is town.

[Kast]

@Mod-

Can we get a prod on AceM? He posted that he should be back from V/LA on Thursday.

@All-
I'd like to hear from everyone on how many votes they have had at each point in the game so far. So far, I've seen some unusual spots in the voting history, so honesty is much appreciated.

We're pretty much in LYLO now, and I'm not sure there even is a way out for us, but if there is a way out, I think my votes will really matter. Any information that helps make a better choice is much appreciated.

[Kast]

Specifically, I'm guessing that there is someone with some form of vote manipulation power other than what has been claimed so far. Either someone is lying, someone was messing with votes who is now dead, or Law put in some mechanic that is either not player controlled or that players are unaware of.

[AceMarksman]

Well, I've got good news and bad news. Good news is that I'm back from my stint at the beach and our mod has graciously reminded me of who I targeted! It was, in order of night target, semioldguy, millar, sirdan, k7, no one. The bad news (for you) is that my family has decided to stay another week here :/. I should have some internet access, but don't count on frequent posting.

Also, sorry for being stupid with my ort vote, I forgot about gorrad's investigation claim

Unvote

. I still would like a claim from ort in the future.

I'm going to

Vote: RBT

for her absence and her shaky play in the beginning of the game.

[ZEEnon]

My vote has remained the same the entire game.
I highly doubt that someone's vote would be changed without their knowledge.
Keep in mind that the visible vote counts mean nothing, and that the real vote counts are the ones that matter.

[Lawrencelot]

In case some of you didn't know, sirdanilot is my brother and thus I am having 'family emergency' as well: our mother just died. As I hope you understand, you will not see me or my brother on mafiascum soon.

As far as this game is concerned: I would appreciate it if anyone contacted one of the back-up mods. I already contacted Flameaxe for a planned V/LA of mine; please tell him I did not find a replacement for sirdanilot yet but that Nyx might be a good option even though he's on the 'ready to jump in' list. Thank you and I really hope this game will turn out well.

[ortolan]

I'm very sorry to hear that Lawrence and sirdan

You have my best wishes

I will message Flameaxe

[populartajo]

I'm very sorry to hear that Lawrence and sirdan

You have my best wishes

Ort will message Flameaxe

[ortolan]

I've spoken to both Flameaxe and MafiaSSK about taking over modding and neither seemed particularly keen :S