Newbie 807 - Game Over

Xtoxm · Post Post #225 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:47 pm

Vote Count

crazy (2) Snow, Kichirou

dothefanfango (2) CDB, bgg
Kichirou (2) Cancer, crazy

Not voting (1) dothefandango

ChannelDelibird · Post Post #226 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:51 pm

My apologies, there are people at Lynch-2. The quicklynch point stands, though.

dothefandango · Post Post #227 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:09 am

So it's up to me, eh?

Kichirou's silence makes me think he's either a cop or scum. I don't want to lynch the cop, but he has a source of suspicion. I want to know what this is. The fact that he hasn't said anything new about it makes me very worried, but he also might be very cautious as to not put the bulls-eye on him.

ChannelDelibird · Post Post #228 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:33 am

Not keen on dothefandango openly speculating about Kichirou as a cop. Suggests he may be scum passing his suspicion on to his buddy in case of his own lynch.

dothefandango · Post Post #229 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:51 am

No, I'm just talking out loud. I realize now that this may be considered "outing" Kichirou, but I need to figure out who is full of it and who is on my side. I figure this will force Kichirou to say something.

ChannelDelibird · Post Post #230 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:53 am

dothefandango wrote:No, I'm just talking out loud. I realize now that this may be considered "outing" Kichirou, but I need to figure out who is full of it and who is on my side. I figure this will force Kichirou to say something.

But that's the kind of thinking that you should be doing in your head, not TELLING THE SCUM WHO YOU THINK MIGHT BE A COP.

dothefandango · Post Post #231 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:01 am

We could all be a cop, my speculations are as useless as anyone else's. Stop turning an anthill to a mountain.

ChannelDelibird · Post Post #232 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:07 am

dothefandango wrote:We could all be a cop, my speculations are as useless as anyone else's. Stop turning an anthill to a mountain.

That's not the same thing, you thought you had reasons to believe he was more likely to be a cop than a vanilla town, which is info to the scum. Don't turn this on me.

dothefandango · Post Post #233 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:46 am

I'm not turning this on you, I'm saying you're making more out of this than it requires. My speculation is just that, speculation.

dothefandango · Post Post #234 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:40 am

Further, on that note: I don't think crazy is the right place to look right now either. He saved me from being at L-1, which is just as valuable to not being scum as anything.

ChannelDelibird · Post Post #235 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:33 pm

dothefandango wrote:I'm not turning this on you, I'm saying you're making more out of this than it requires. My speculation is just that, speculation.

Yeah, and speculation about who might be a cop is bad for the town and good for the scum.

CancerBottle · Post Post #236 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:50 pm

ChannelDelibird wrote:Not keen on dothefandango openly speculating about Kichirou as a cop. Suggests he may be scum passing his suspicion on to his buddy in case of his own lynch.

In my last game--on a different forum--a player openly mused on the identity of the vig. We lynched him for it, and he turned out to be the GF....

I mean, we're just speculating, right?

dothefandango wrote:Further, on that note: I don't think crazy is the right place to look right now either. He saved me from being at L-1, which is just as valuable to not being scum as anything.

Well, he could be your scumbuddy for all we know. That's not much of a defense.

...

Sorry for the lack of participation. They've got me very busy here. More to come tonight.

bgg1996 · Post Post #237 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:12 pm

Dothefandango, could you please vote?
We can't move to the night phase unless you vote, AND someone switches their vote.

Voting is all fun and good, but not when we're just futilly convincing eachother to change.

If you vote and within 5 hours noone else has changed their vote, and I'm online, I'll change my vote.

It doesn't matter who's scum if the game dies.

dothefandango · Post Post #238 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:37 pm

Fine:

I

vote Kichirou

. I just don't think he's a reliable a source that Snow White leads him on to be.

ChannelDelibird · Post Post #239 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:15 pm

And now you're voting for the guy you think might be the cop.

ChannelDelibird · Post Post #240 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:16 pm

By the way, Kichirou, DO NOT SAY IF YOU ARE OR ARE NOT A COP. DO NOT DO THAT. Thanks.

Snow White · Post Post #241 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2009 2:00 am

dothefandango wrote:Fine:

I
vote Kichirou
. I just don't think he's a reliable a source that Snow White leads him on to be.

I never once said anything about "kichirou" being a great supposed source of relibility. Or am i lost?

Speculation as to who can be a cop is a good thing if there is a doctor in the house.

I dont believe kichirou is scum. And unless proved otherwise this is all i will say on the matter.

Scumdar: ChannelDeliBird, Crazypianist, bgg1996.

Duplicate deleted - Mod.

ChannelDelibird · Post Post #242 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:30 am

Snow White wrote:Speculation as to who can be a cop is a good thing if there is a doctor in the house.

But we have no guarantee that there is a doctor in the house (and please, nobody claim doc), and so the risk of outing an unprotected cop is NOT worth it. Openly discussing who might be a cop or a doc only helps the scum choose the best possible kill. Anyone who engages in it is scummy,

period

.

Why am I on your scumdar, Snow White? What did you think of my response to you recently?

bgg1996 · Post Post #243 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:44 am

Well, I'm online, so I'm going to go ahead and

unvote:Dothefandango
revote:Kichirou

I don't think he seems particularly scummy, but I just want to move on with the game, so don't think this means I've dropped my suspicions on you.

Also, Why am I on your scumdar, snow white?

suspicions:Snow white, dothefandango, and

possibly

channeldelibird/crazypianist.

ChannelDelibird · Post Post #244 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:06 am

bgg, if you think DTF is more suspicious than Kichirou, you should be voting Kichirou. This also makes you something of a hypocrite - DTF is under suspicion for making a lazy lynch-1 vote yesterday, and now you're doing the same. Wanting the game to move quicker is not a valid reason to put someone one vote from lynch.

FoS: bgg

ChannelDelibird · Post Post #245 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:06 am

EBWOP: I obviously meant to say "you should be voting DTF".

bgg1996 · Post Post #246 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:05 am

If 2 other people vote him, then I will.

That was different. That was the kardwagon of 09. This is a stalemate.

If we were playing chess, and every move you made either took you in a circle back to where you started, or made you lose, wouldn't you rather lose the game, thencontinue to go in a circle forever?

dothefandango · Post Post #247 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:21 am

Think of it as a gambit in chess. It's a sacrifice in order to be in a more advantageous position later.

ChannelDelibird · Post Post #248 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:02 am

This looks very much like bgg is DTF's scumbuddy. I am now

strongly

in favour of a DTF lynch, as not only is it a better vote than Kichirou, but it will also give some insight into bgg, who looks a lot like the buddy trying to save DTF's bacon by switching to the other wagon in the name of 'getting on with it'. I don't think the game is stalling, I think you want the town to think it is so you can get away with a soft lynch, rather than going with someone you claim to genuinely suspect. It is

not

pro-town to vote somebody other than your top suspicion in this situation.

Confirm vote: dothefandango

Strong FoS: bgg

ChannelDelibird · Post Post #249 (ISO) » Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:02 am

Looking forward to hearing more from CancerBottle.