mini 819 - WWF Mafia: Over!

[don_johnson]

^^ talk about oppurtunistic scum.

leg sweep: hambargarz

*palm to ear*

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The "Damn near quittin' time!" holdcount

Archon (4) - Locke Lamora, Sotty7, DDD, VP Baltar

Locke Lamora (3) - xxFabianxx, SpyreX, massive

SpyreX (2) - Kreriov, Kise

Debonair Danny DiPietro (1) - hambargarz
massive (1) - Archon
hambargarz (1) - don_johnson

don_johnson (0) -
VP Baltar (0) -
Kise (0) -
Sotty7 (0) -
xxFabianxx (0) -
Kreriov (0) -

Relaxing in the neutral corner:

None!

With 12 wrestlers in the ring, it takes 7 to throw someone out.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Tell me about it Don, I ask for specific counters to the arguments I made and he provides none. In 167 he's not inclined to suspect Archon at all, he's still low on his list on 174 but Hamgargarz claims to be fine lynching him if it comes to it at deadline. I think I've got a new number one...

European Uppercut: hambargarz

I'll be around all plenty today/tomorrow to come back to Archon if the hambargarz thing doesn't work out.

[hambargarz]

Were you just waiting for DJ to vote before following him?

Yes, I'd rather lynch someone low on my list than no one at all. No lynches are bad in my book so I'd rather reach consensus even if it means compromise.

[Locke Lamora]

If people don't buy my reasons for not being able to post, there's not a lot I can do about that. The large majority of the time I get to post is between 9 and 4 UK time. Baltar called me a lurker after nobody else posted for that entire period here the day before. It's not usually a problem on this site but in this game style I felt the need to explain it.

I still favour Archon for the lynch, nothing I've seen from him excuses his rolefishing and unwarranted caution about his vote. Fabian is also on my list, he has provided little reasoning for his thoughts, only backing up his vote on me when prompted and he still hasn't replied to why he doesn't like a massive lynch.

Massive: what's your reason for going from suspecting Spyrex for voting me to voting me yourself?

[xxFabianxx]

These votes on Hambargarz are weak as hell.

Of course scum are opportunistic, is that your reason, Don?

DDD, a lynch gives us more to work with than a no lynch, this is COMMON KNOWLEDGE in most cases, so why are you questioning his logic about voting Archon for lynch if it comes down to it?

Locke, I did post why I was looking at you.
Someone else didn't see it, so I clarified, but the reasons are posted.
You're parroting other people again.

I'm at work, will post later.

[Locke Lamora]

You're obviously not reading what I post. I know why you're looking at me. I wanted to know why you don't like a massive lynch. You said that but you never gave a reason for it, even after I asked you.

[xxFabianxx]

Not feeling it, like I said.

I see better options around than a guy being voted after throwing a hissy fit about people being voted for rule infractions rather than for being scummy, there are better lynches.

You for example, I would lynch before massive.

[don_johnson]

read hambargarz in iso. archon didn't seem so low on his list. he was going to vote him earlier. calling a vote "weak as hell" at this stage is, well, weak as hell. its day 1. pull up your tights and start working.

[VP Baltar]

Happy scumday, massive!

I'm not seeing any substantial reason for a hambargarz lynch today.

Lock Lamora lynch would likely have to happen without a claim because I'm sure he wouldn't be checking in before today's deadline.

Archon lynch is what it is.

I'd prefer the Archon lynch right now just because I think it is the proper play for town, but I would back a deadline lynch of LL over a no lynch because he has indeed acted scummy and hasn't really been scumhunting at all this game.

So, my vote remains for now, but I will be checking in regularly throughout the day to see if I need to switch it to LL.

[Locke Lamora]

Fabian: I didn't think 'not feeling it' was actually an explanation. It doesn't really have a lot of logical merit. As you'd said nothing else about massive, it was hard to work out why you weren't 'feeling it'. Why are you willing to put Archon's earlier scummy comments down to a 'brainfart'? Simply because of his claim?

I believe the deadline is at 5:30 AM for me, so I definitely won't be checking in beforehand.

[Sotty7]

DDD: Are you saying that you wouldn't vote someone just to simply secure a lynch if it came down to the wire?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

@hambargarz(177) – Waiting for? Not Don specifically, but someone else to vote for you, yes. If no one else had any interest in your lynch then moving my vote would’ve been pointless and anti-town this close to deadline. As it stands it hopefully provides a viable option to people as well as expresses my opinion.

@Fabian(179) - Because if X is voting for Y even though the reasons for voting Y are weak as hell and X believes Y to be a townie then we’ve got a player who can skip the scumhunting and either distance themselves from a townie lynch or take credit in a scum lynch that they weren’t really part of. Unlike other votes which actually tell us something, a vote like that merely tells us that deadline was upon us.

[Locke Lamora]

So you were worried about looking anti-town?

[Kreriov]

@Baltar - I agree I would much rather lynch someone AFTER they claim than with no claim. The problem is I believe Archon's claim. I did miss the SpyreX's V/LA bit. (Sorry SpyreX, it was in your sig block and not in bold.) I could vote for Locke, but again, maybe my empathy is getting in the way. About the only time I can be assured of participating is from about 8am to 4pm EST. Being EST helps, but I can certainly identify with Locke's problems. It is the lack of content. I think there are some weak votes and reasoning in that whole DDD/DJ/hamb trio, so:

Mounted punch: don_johnson

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

@Sotty (185) – I wouldn’t vote for someone I firmly believe is a townie just to secure a deadline lynch, no. I would drop from voting the number one on my list to around number five on my list to do so though.

@LL (187) – I assume this is directed at me. I’m not concerned about looking anti-town; I was merely explaining why I wouldn’t take a certain course of action, it would not have helped the town (and thus would’ve been anti-town to take the course of action).

[massive]

Locke: My suspicion of SpyreX voting you was that he was voting you for (what I thought was) doing exactly what he was doing: Lurking and only peripherally participating. In fact, I had a big post written up to that extent ... and then I saw the VLA and checked his other games and verified that he wasn't just lurking here.

[don_johnson]

wow. kreriov. that's a great point. let's dance.

python flex: don_johnson

yes. that's a self vote.

mod: we are nearing deadline, perhaps a count and a timer?

[Porkens]

He's signaling to the ref and pointing at his watch! The ref is holding up 10 and a half fingers! I'd just be holding up one, personally.

The lights will go out approximately 10 and a half hours from the time of this post.

[VP Baltar]

As great as the flavor is in this game, I recommend stating in clear language what the deadline is so there is no dispute.

Good idea, pencil neck. Now get out of my office.

[Sotty7]

@ hambargarz: Where on your list is archon?

I think the mod was saying there is ten and half hours till the deadline from the post.

[Kreriov]

Archon's claim seems legit. I will not change my vote at this time. I may have a chance to check in before the deadline, but do not count on it.!

[VP Baltar]

We really need to agree on a lynch and soon. Waiting until an hour or two before deadline and counting on someone to hammer is a horrible idea. If the people on LL are absolutely not going to change to Archon, then speak up because I will switch.

Anyone not voting for one of this two is not helping town, as these seem to be the only viable lynches at this time.

[don_johnson]

backbreaker: archon

a lynch on locke seems foolish and misguided. i'd rather lynch kreriov for his "i'm laying down a vote," "archon seems legit" and "i'm dissappearing" act, though. that's just a wee anti-town as i see it. i will agree with archon "seeming" legit as a reasonable excuse, but it is quite obvios that the dj lynch won't happen, so basically krer is voting no lynch. on day 1.

[VP Baltar]

I agree with DJ that Kreriov's statements are suspect.

[Porkens]

Please be aware that the OP has been edited to reflect the following change

Current Deadline: Thursday, July 16th, 23:30 (GMT

-5:00

)

8.5 hours till the lights go out.