Benmage wrote:If you gave initial context it wouldn't have been an omgus-vote/seemed scummy/made you look like a bad player. I don't know if the wiki offers a handbook or something, but I'd suggest playing some more newbie games, they may be more fitting.
Definition of OMGUS. Wiki is fine, I learned some definitions. Still plenty of room for inprovement in the wiki, through.Benmage wrote:If you gave initial context it wouldn't have been an omgus-vote/seemed scummy/made you look like a bad player. I don't know if the wiki offers a handbook or something, but I'd suggest playing some more newbie games, they may be more fitting.
She is not a poor player. In fact, she has been nominated for the best individual performance by a pro-town player.Benmage wrote:She just seems like a poor player to me.GIEFF wrote:I don't know why both Sensfan and BM claim they see nothing scummy about camn.
- She has contributed little to no scumhunting.
- She has shown she is more concerned about how she is viewed by the town than about catching scum.
- She strongly over-reacted to my investigation of her meta, and OMGUS-voted me. Once again, this was NOT about scumhunting, but about protecting how she is viewed by the town, as evidenced by how weakly she pursued it.
That is NOT what an OMGUS vote is. An OMGUS vote is a vote for somebody who has been attacking you. It's not a big deal - it is only scummy insofar as voting people for reasons OTHER than trying to catch scum can be scummy, and that it can serve as a proxy for more substantial scumhunting.Benmage wrote:No prior/lead-up explanation. Just a vote. Period. End of story. That in my book is a quintessential example of an “omgus” vote.
jammer wrote:@Camn, what do you think about Gieff's 'cases' on you?
Do you think he is mafia trying to mislynch you or overeager town?
If you are scum, how can my pursuing your lynch be over-eager? Why answer for jammer?camn wrote:And GEIFF.. you could be 'overeager town' regardless of my alignment, no?
My case it not all that reliant on "meta" - I simply link to other games to strengthen it. KMD has more authority than I do on your meta, so you appealed to his authority on that subject, hoping KMD's opinion negates the (ample) evidence I presented. It does not.camn wrote:Except don't think KMD is older or wiser.
He simply has played a ton of games with me.. whereas you have not.
If you are actually interested in truth, it would be silly to ignore his insight.... especially considering your reliance on my 'meta'.
Of course, no one really thinks you are interested in the truth....
I would love to see your list of all players and your thoughts of them, and I will not say this is appeasement, nor will I think it.camn wrote:You know what I am already dreading? That this weekend, when, as I have already mentioned, I fully intend on getting down to the biz of reviewing EVERY player for scumminess.... I am going to hear your dumb "appeasement" argument.
It won't be that I am no longer acting 'scummy' according to you.. but that I am 'appeasing' you, which is also 'scummy'.
If you push a poor case on someone.. it is poor regardless.If you are scum, how can my pursuing your lynch be over-eager? Why answer for jammer?
That is a fair point, but I think it is clear from jammer's question that he is assuming you are town, which, if you ARE town, you should find scummalicious.camn wrote:If you push a poor case on someone.. it is poor regardless.
I read two of your scum games, and you are absolutely right. I will not include that meta-argument when I summarize my case on you.camn wrote:And re: you ' linking to other games to strengthen it'....
You say I am NOT DOING X... and thus I am scum... but Those things I do, I do in my scumgames too! Pretty much ANY Mini game I will do a PBPA whenever things get slow. So me NOT doing them here goes against my SCUM meta, too!
Someone has to keep in interesting.benmage wrote:I like that I have inspired some interesting articulation.
Wait, so you are saying that she is avoiding tunnelling on lurkers so she will looking intentionally scummy? I don't get what you are arguing here.GIEFF wrote:Of COURSE that makes sense. Lurkers are bad for the town. Why would scum want to remove them?
This also shows that you are tailoring your behavior to what you think others will perceive as scummy.
I'm sorry, but I always find people trying to push "slips" like this as either being idiotic or scummy.GIEFF wrote:Here is what I know:
I know that you have grudge-killed kmd twice.
I know that both times you did so, you used a power (vig or scum) you would NOT have as a vanilla townie
I know you don't think the word "kill" applies to lynches.
I know you said you wouldn't kill him this game.
Alright?BattleMage wrote:Also,Unvote, Vote: VP Baltar
His reaction to Mastin really rubs me up the wrong way.
I find it humorous how you are trying to parry GIEFF into your Mastin defence.alex wrote:Yes, I do and, as I said, not only about your waggon.
well boo-hoo. blatant appeal to emotion.alex wrote:But you don't notice that because you seem to live in your little monotematic world when there must always be ONE player in the gutter and all the others should rest...
In fairness, you haven't hardly posted in this game.Mastin wrote:I control the game by bussing my partners heavily, making me look better, or them look better, buddying/ignoring pro-town players, confusing players intentionally instead of unintentionally, appeal to players I know to get them on my side, etc.
Nope, not doing that this game.
This doesn't make much sense....time for me to start drinking instead of doing this reread.Battle Mage wrote:Haha, not only OMGUS, but you had to wait to see if Mastin was gonna support you or not, first.
How have I not scumhunted? I've already caught you and alexhans.GIEFF wrote:KMD has contributed very little scumhunting. I don't like his vote on me, and retro-active attempt to justify it. I didn't like his adamant defense of you, and his assumption that my case was crap before he knew what it was, but as he doesn't appear to be the only one to think my case sucks, that's not as big a deal.
This is pretty accurate here.camn wrote: Plus, although we like each other, both of us would be very happy to see the other dead... so I would guess his reads are as unbiased as one can expect.
Heh, that would be fun.camn wrote: Unless, of course, you are implying that we are scumbuddies. Are you?
Bad argument like it was there. I was town in that game and so was Empking.GIEFF wrote: I am not implying you are scumbuddies, unless KMD starts making quote pyramids.
Yep. Just cuz killing each other is fun doesn't mean playing together isn't.Benmage wrote:Didn’t you just go on a tangent of you two vengefully killing eachother… O.o …Kmd4390 wrote:(That's the reasonjoined this game.I
How is it distracting? I think it has added a lot to the game.Benmage wrote: I can’t read this Gieff vs Camn/KmD conflict anymore. It rivals BM vs Alex in fluff/uselessness/and has totally derailed any direction for the day. It also makes catching up in this game less favorable than slamming ones head in to the wall. Regardless I still think a Mastin lynch is best thus far. I really wish he wasn’t only on page 3…*sigh*
Ouch!Benmage wrote:If you gave initial context it wouldn't have been an omgus-vote/seemed scummy/made you look like a bad player. I don't know if the wiki offers a handbook or something, but I'd suggest playing some more newbie games, they may be more fitting.
I know, right!?Kmd4390 wrote:Ouch!Benmage wrote:If you gave initial context it wouldn't have been an omgus-vote/seemed scummy/made you look like a bad player. I don't know if the wiki offers a handbook or something, but I'd suggest playing some more newbie games, they may be more fitting.
