MKM II GAME OVER

ZEEnon · Post Post #2025 (ISO) » Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:10 am

populartajo wrote:
ortolan wrote:I'm very sorry to hear that Lawrence and sirdan

You have my best wishes

Ort will message Flameaxe

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We are mod-less as of this moment.

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ortolan · Post Post #2026 (ISO) » Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:13 am

I messaged curiouskarmadog now also

Kmd4390 · Post Post #2027 (ISO) » Sat Jul 18, 2009 6:51 am

I've PM'd Talitha. I'm more than willing to take this over if I get approval from Talitha and the players and if I can get the setup and a list of previous Night Actions from either SSK or BBM.

Talitha · Post Post #2028 (ISO) » Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:00 pm

I've spoken to both Flameaxe and MafiaSSK about taking over modding and neither seemed particularly keen :S

This is disappointing. People should consider back-up modding as a serious commitment. Flaking when you're the back-up mod does look bad on your modding record, and will bite you when you put your name forward for other games.

Kmd4390's offer to take over modding is much appreciated, so anyone with the game info, please send it on to him. I haven't heard from ZazieR myself but if Kmd would like her to assist with the modding too that's fine with me.

ZEEnon · Post Post #2029 (ISO) » Sat Jul 18, 2009 6:12 pm

That's very much appreciated, thank you.

Kmd4390 · Post Post #2030 (ISO) » Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:28 pm

Ok, I don't have setup info yet, but it looks like I'm going to be taking this game over. I'm gonna use my red for Mod posts and I'll keep Lawrence's italicized blue for vote counts. I've just read Lawrence's rules. All will stand except Rule 5 as I don't have Mod Powers. I will try to post a Vote Count every page though. I'll also have Zazie as a Co-Mod if she'd like. She saw that this game needed a new Mod before I did, so I figure it's only fair if she has the opportunity to help.

Because of the mechanic that means some votes count more or less than others, the game will be on hold until I have setup info. Any votes after this post will not count. Votes will also be reset.

Thanks for having me, guys. Looks like we'll be able to continue shortly.

ortolan · Post Post #2031 (ISO) » Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:47 pm

Three cheers for Kmd!

Hip hip hooray!

Hip hip hooray!

Hip hip hooray!

Riceballtail · Post Post #2032 (ISO) » Sun Jul 19, 2009 4:43 am

@Law/Sirdan: You certainly have a prayer from me. I hope things improve quickly for you.

@Kast: 2, 0, 0, 0, 0, -1

@KMD: Welcome/thanks for the emergency backup.

MafiaSSK · Post Post #2033 (ISO) » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:06 am

I have now sent KMD the setup. I am sorry I could not fulfill my back-up mod duties and am thankful for KMD.

ZazieR · Post Post #2034 (ISO) » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:16 am

Kmd4390 wrote:
Ok, I don't have setup info yet, but it looks like I'm going to be taking this game over. I'm gonna use my red for Mod posts and I'll keep Lawrence's italicized blue for vote counts. I've just read Lawrence's rules. All will stand except Rule 5 as I don't have Mod Powers. I will try to post a Vote Count every page though. I'll also have Zazie as a Co-Mod if she'd like. She saw that this game needed a new Mod before I did, so I figure it's only fair if she has the opportunity to help.

If the players don't mind, I'd love to.

Kmd4390 · Post Post #2035 (ISO) » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:37 am

Ok, I have all of the setup info and everything. Zazie has it as well. The only thing missing is Mod powers which I'll be getting shortly.

Day 6 resumes. Votes have been reset.

Day 6 Visible Votecount

Not voting (6): ZEEnon, sirdanilot, AceMarksman, Riceballtail, Kast, ortolan

With 6 alive it takes 4 real votes to lynch.

I'll be contacting player's from the replacement list for a SirD replacement. There is currently no deadline.

Kmd4390 · Post Post #2036 (ISO) » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:52 am

Nyx is awesome and replaces Sirdanilot

ZEEnon · Post Post #2037 (ISO) » Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:03 am

Right now I am confident that

sirdanilot

Nyx and ortolan are town. Still unsure about the rest.

Nyx · Post Post #2038 (ISO) » Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:09 am

Happy I could join you guys even though the reasons are of a more saddening sort

( gecondoleerd Law/SirD )

@Kast
AFAIK from what I've gotten from the new mod my voting started of a 1 and is 1 now.

sirdanilot wrote:Law will always include fakeclaims for scum. just saying

My vote was apparently 0 yesterday, now it's 1.

This should semi-confirm Ace his powers since he claimed to have used it on SirD/Me.

Kast · Post Post #2039 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:11 am

Really sorry to hear about Sirdan and Law, my condolences.

Really busy last weekend and most of this week, I'll try to catch up and finish the voting analysis I was working on.

Thanks to new mods and replacement players for stepping up.

Could the new mod's confirm that all of Law's previous real votecounts were correct? Particularly the first one in which there was a real vote that nobody cast.

ZazieR · Post Post #2040 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:21 am

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 68#1646468

ZazieR · Post Post #2041 (ISO) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:25 am

If you''re talking about the above VC, then it''s correct

Kast · Post Post #2042 (ISO) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:54 am

@Zazier-

Thanks.

@Real Vote Counts-

(Confirmed Votes)

(Claimed Votes)

(Guessed/Assumed Votes)

D1 wrote:
Real Votecount

-Shadow Knight (9): Moratorium
(1)
, ortolan
(1)
, qwints
(1)
, semioldguy
(>0)
, WeyounsLastClone
(1)
, zwetschenwasser
(1)
, Gorrad
(2)
, Empking
(1)

-Looker (2): caf19
(1)
, populartajo
(1)

-ortolan (1): AceMarksman
(1)

-Empking (1)

Not voting (4): killa seven
(0)
, Cream147
(0)
, ZEEnon
(-1)
, Riceballtail
(2)
, Shadow Knight
(?)
, Looker
(?)

With 17 alive it takes 9 real votes to lynch. Deadline: May 4th 2009.[/b]

D2 wrote:
Real Votecount

-ThAdmiral (6): Kast
(1)
, populartajo
(1)
, AceMarksman
(1)
, Riceballtail
(0)
, zwetschenwasser
(1)
, Gorrad
(2)
, Empking
(1)
, caf19
(1)
, sirdanilot
(1)

-zwetschenwasser (1): Moratorium
(1)

-populartajo (1): ortolan
(1)

-Gorrad (1): WeyounsLastClone
(1)

Not voting (3): killa seven
(0)
, ZEEnon
(-1)
, ThAdmiral
(?)
, semioldguy
(0)
, millar13
(1)

With 17 alive it takes 9 real votes to lynch.

D3 wrote:
Real Votecount

-millar13 (7): ortolan
(1)
, Moratorium
(1)
, Empking
(1)
, AceMarksman
(1)
, sirdanilot
(1)
, Gorrad
(2)

Not voting (0): killa seven
(0)
, ZEEnon
(-1)
, Kast
(-2)
, Riceballtail
(0)
, zwetschenwasser
(1)
, caf19
(1)
, millar13
(1)

With 13 alive it takes 7 real votes to lynch.

D4 wrote:
End of Day 4 Real votecount

-Empking (4): Gorrad
(2)
, Kast
(2)
, sirdanilot
(0)

-ZEEnon (3): caf19
(2)
, ZEEnon
(-1)
, ortolan
(1)
, Empking
(1)

-AceMarksman (0): Riceballtail
(0)

Not voting (2): killa seven
(0)
, AceMarksman
(2)

With 10 alive it takes 6 real votes to lynch.[/b]

D5 wrote:

Real Votecount

-killa seven (4): AceMarksman
(1)
, Riceballtail
(0)
, killa seven
(0)
, caf19
(1)
, Kast
(2)

-caf19 (1): ortolan
(1)

Not voting (2): ZEEnon
(-1)
, Gorrad
(2)
, sirdanilot
(1)

With 9 alive it takes 5 real votes to lynch.[/b]

D5: vote count checks out if everyone told the truth about their own votes. AceM's target K7 does not appear to have any effect. ZEE claimed no target this night.
D4: vote count checks out if everyone told the truth about their own votes, except for AceM who appears to have a double vote. AceM's power appears to have affected Nyx. ZEE's power appears to have been unable to affect Gorrad.
D3: vote count checks out if everyone told the truth about their own votes. AceM's target Millar does not appear to have any effect (unless Millar was originally a double voter). ZEE's target Kast appears to have worked.
D2: this one is screwed up a lot. The three individual voters+single RV seem understandable. Semioldguy confirmed losing his vote.
There are 3 missing votes on ThAdmiral and 3 unclaimed RV on ThAdmiral's candidate. Possible ThAdmiral was a triple voter (unlikely). Possibly an MK day power (what comes to mind is the inverting block from SMB:3). Possibly someone has a hidden vote or votes that they did not use.
D1: once again, ThAdmiral's candidate is odd.

There was and possibly still is an unaccounted for vote. Even into D4, AceM had an unclaimed vote (which was mentioned while K7 was lynched). His claimed vote reduction does not add up with the real vote counts. I'd guess that AceM has some vote manipulation power(s) that he tried to build a fake claim around but messed up.

ortolan · Post Post #2043 (ISO) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:51 pm

assuming that's all accurate then I think AceMarksman is an obvious lynch. His reckless vote on me earlier is still difficult to explain from a town perspective.

Re: my role, I would rather not claim specifics as all that will accomplish is assisting the scum in night-kill decisions. I have no relevant abilities. If I was scum I could simply make something up, or you know, use the fakeclaim it's obvious that scum have (everyone here has claimed a reasonably convincing sounding town role and it's obvious not everyone here is town). Claiming role specifics is suboptimal play when there is a confirmed town player who has said it is 100% guaranteed I am town and I know for a fact claiming my role will not contribute anything bar assisting the scum in making night-kill decisions.

ZEEnon · Post Post #2044 (ISO) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:44 pm

Can we lynch Riceballtail yet? I'm extremely confident that he/she is not sided with Bowser's army.

ZEEnon · Post Post #2045 (ISO) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:45 pm

By the way, that's more of a statement than a question. I want Riceballtail lynched.
I said it in the form of a question because I don't have voting power. Also,

Unvote.

ortolan · Post Post #2046 (ISO) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:16 pm

What are your reasons for wanting RBT lynched?

If AceMarksman is proven to have lied about his powers then that is in my view more than enough justification to autolynch him

ZEEnon · Post Post #2047 (ISO) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:30 pm

I don't see any reason why Riceballtail would choose to kill Qwints when he was on the Shadow Knight wagon.
There have been other small things that have gradually made me more weary of him/her over time.
I don't disapprove of an AceMarksman lynch, but due to his catching of the first couple scum,
I think it's safe to concluded that he is third party. That or he just really likes bussing.

ortolan · Post Post #2048 (ISO) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:33 pm

I agree with you about qwints

I am curious to see if he can provide a better explanation for why he targeted qwints than the one he gave previously- I would like some more details

Otherwise though, if it's proven AM lied then it's sort of a 100% likely to be lying scum compared to ~65% so I would still go with AM

Kast · Post Post #2049 (ISO) » Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:02 am

@ZEEnon-
I think it is likely that both AceM and RBT are third party.

I would think that RBT killing Qwints is a more sure sign of non-MK than AceM catching SK. However, I don't think it's an either or, they can both be third party, and I think that is probably the most likely scenario.

@AceM-
-Can you explain the discrepancies between your claimed power and the real vote counts?
-You've been asked several times to answer whether your power can bring a player down to negative votes, but as yet no answer. It's a bit late, but what is the answer to that?
-You've also been asked whether your vote reduces other players votes by a fixed amount, or generally how that works. Please explain.

@RBT-
-What is the nature of your kill? So far jumping and fire are confirmed; your claim doesn't sound like either of those.
-Since negative votes are possible, are you able to sacrifice your negative voting power? If so, how would that work (more negative? closer to zero?)

@Who to lynch-
At this point in time, I don't see a winning town strategy. The best case I can see is if we only have 1MK/1DK/1WW then we successfully remove one faction. At that point, we enter night with 3 town and 2 "independents" where it becomes a prisoner's dilemma for the independents (assuming they can identify each other) or just boils down to luck if they can't.

I'm suspecting AceM is an independent who primarily relies on vote manipulation, while RBT may be a more traditional SK. In this sense, if it comes to endgame with 1 town and 1 of the two independents, it would probably be better to face off a townie with RBT. However, it may be better to lynch RBT today as he seems more likely able to kill tonight.

The other thought that bugs me is that AceM and RBT as independents have access to items that we have no clue what they do. If similar to MKMI, we would assume that each of them may have an inherent one time use ability (possibly a kill) in addition to whatever else they have. This could completely screw up the night.

I'm open to thoughts and reasons why one is better able to help the town win than the other (beyond just one is more definitely scum than the other).

@For completeness-
I also think ZEEnon is the most probable remaining MK (if there is just one MK). This is continuation of what I posted at the beginning of this day and also something that I came across while looking at D1. ZEEnon he goes from saying he agrees with everyone that SK should be lynched, to suddenly believing and defending SK and asking everyone to justify their votes at the last minute. He also went from entering the game and trusting Tajo to claiming that Tajo was his biggest suspect. The latter comment on Tajo could be a scum slip admitting that he actually killed Tajo who was his top "suspect".