Mafia 98 - Apennine Mafia (Game Over)

[Zachrulez]

hold on... VP... So I take it that you think I'm scum with Mastin then?

You win nothing because it's a crappy line... crappy lines don't make cases and they definetly don't allow for pushing a lynch as you did.

Not directed at me but I want to answer anyway.

I think it's possible that both you and Mastin are scum.

Think it's most likely that one of the two of you is scum.

And see it as unlikely that both of you are town.

[alexhans]

What I said about 761 was correct. And you even said Mastin was like Steph to me (meaning you thought me town?)

IF you make a list with 3 people and I'm after mastin... I assume I'm 2nd in your list... Mastin's lurking is making me put him in the null read list right now but his play earlier in the game wasn't scummy enough to warrant such a waggon. I still mantain that.

about Camn's defenders: No... But I think that I think that being inconsistent might be an indicative of scum. Why would you have different standards about a topic?

And I think that they DO have tried to actively derail the waggon. Look at KMD and tell me I'm wrong.

[alexhans]

700: Thanks Battle Mage... sorry, Zach... Do you have any reasoning as to why one of us (at least) should be scum?

Or it all lies at the stupid thought that you think buddying or defending someone is scummy?

[Zachrulez]

What I said about 761 was correct. And you even said Mastin was like Steph to me (meaning you thought me town?)

This is mainly why I am not voting for you. Because that is a possibility.

IF you make a list with 3 people and I'm after mastin... I assume I'm 2nd in your list... Mastin's lurking is making me put him in the null read list right now but his play earlier in the game wasn't scummy enough to warrant such a waggon. I still mantain that.

Meta has been argued that he has a tendency toward lurking as scum. Meta I happen to agree with.

about Camn's defenders: No... But I think that I think that being inconsistent might be an indicative of scum. Why would you have different standards about a topic?

And I think that they DO have tried to actively derail the waggon. Look at KMD and tell me I'm wrong.

I was able to call you out so quickly on your Mastin defence because it happened to early in the game. Any defenses of Camn are happening somewhere in the pages and pages of content that are flying into this game as lightning speed and are not easy to catch.

If people are actively defending Camn, it is worth noting. Make sure you're not confusing inconsistancy with difficulty in keeping up with what's going on in the game.

I still want to know what you think of Camn.

[GIEFF]

Zach: Sensfan did try to de-rail ilt

I don't think VP Baltar is trying to de-rail it so much as "re-rail" a Mastin wagon.

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Thanks for the nice note, Baltar. I think Mastin is scummy and of absolutely no use if town, and if the camn-wagon fizzles, I will be right there with you on it. But I am VERY convinced camn is town, and she is a much better lynch than Mastin right now.


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Alex - the case on you is not crappy. You defended scummy play by Mastin, and in an inconsistent manner.

Exhibit A:

In the very same post, you said the following two quotes:

Long posts do not mean pro-town. I don't think Mastin has acted pro-town at all.

Maybe I'm prejudiced by my past experiences but

I STILL don't see how why he has acted anti-town.

Anyway. I'm gonna let him speak for himself. I'm just noting my disagreement with his waggon.

Maybe if you quit whinging and listen to the points against Mastin with an open mind, you might fare better in the game.

I don't understand you... You accuse me of buddying a TOWN mastin but then you coach me to open my mind?

anyway, it's good advice and I already started doing that.

GIEFF's post was pretty good.

But I'll have to do my own meta-research to get a real feeling.

So, you simultaneously don't see why my post demonstrates anti-town play by Mastin, yet also admit it is pretty good. But, of course,

not

good enough to convince you he is scum, not until you do your meta-research. Have you managed to do your own meta-research yet to get a real feeling?

Also note that both times, he strides the fence. He doesn't agree with me, BUT he could be prejudiced. He does think I made good points, BUT he has to do some meta-research before he can be sure.


You have also buddied the bakehouse out of me, which only started AFTER I attacked you. You've used the same phrases as me, agreed with me on just about every point I've made (including the reasons I find Mastin scummy, oddly enough, as shown above), and say "lol" a LOT more to my posts than to anyone else's.


Just thought it would help to hear it from someone with whom you always agree.

[Zachrulez]

Zach: Sensfan did try to de-rail ilt

I don't think VP Baltar is trying to de-rail it so much as "re-rail" a Mastin wagon.

They're both de-railing in the interest of starting a Mastin or Alexhans wagon. Personally I don't like the idea of lynching Alexhans today, I think Mastin is a far better play. Too many doubts on Alexhans in my mind even though he is undeniably playing scummy.

Thanks for the nice note, Baltar. I think Mastin is scummy and of absolutely no use if town, and if the camn-wagon fizzles, I will be right there with you on it. But I am VERY convinced camn is

town

, and she is a much better lynch than Mastin right now.

Don't you mean you're convinced she is scum? Yeah, that's probably a typo, but those kind of things make me weary.

[GIEFF]

Haha yeah, I did mean camn is scum. My bad.

[VP Baltar]

hold on... VP... So I take it that you think I'm scum with Mastin then?

You win nothing because it's a crappy line... crappy lines don't make cases and they definetly don't allow for pushing a lynch as you did.

I think one of you is scum and I'd be fine with either of your lynches. I still say I should win something, but whatevs.

[VP Baltar]

EBWOP: Thanks GIEFF! Forgot to mention alex's buddying in my one line. Damn brevity.

[Benmage]

And see it as unlikely that both of you are town.

Agree.

[jammer]

Haha yeah, I did mean camn is scum. My bad.

Freudian slip, how would a town-gieff call Camn town if he is suspecting her?
(j/k)

Hmkai,

Mod: Prod Mastin.

Unvote: Gieff
Vote: Mastin

@Alex, who are your top3 scum? In less then 200 words.

[GIEFF]

Freudian slip, how would a town-gieff call Camn town if he is suspecting her?
(j/k)

Why j/k? I usually find slips like that pretty meaningful. Although maybe I shouldn't anymore - I'm usually wrong about them.

[jammer]

As a parody on your scumhunting, as many of your hunting is based upon little (textbook) slips like that and pursued. Slightly to see your possible respond as well, if you would ignore it completely and agree the slip is useless you would measure yourself different then the ones you suspect and that would be seen scummy in my eyes.
Besides that I don't think the slip on itself is very strong. But I remind it.

[Yaw]

Vote Count:

camn (3): GIEFF, Benmage, camn
Mastin (3): Zachrulez, Debonair Danny DiPietro, jammer
GIEFF (1): Kmd4390
Battle Mage (1): Mastin
SensFan (1): alexhans
alexhans (1): VP Baltar
Debonair Danny DiPietro (1): SpyreX

Not Voting: Cephrir, blackcatcontract, SensFan, Battle Mage

8 to lynch

Mastin has been prodded.

[Battle Mage]

700: Thanks Battle Mage... sorry, Zach... Do you have any reasoning as to why one of us (at least) should be scum?

Or it all lies at the stupid thought that you think buddying or defending someone is scummy?

Lol why are you tying me to Zach? and whats with the AtoE?

BM

[Battle Mage]

I do find Camn agreeing with BM's town read on you strange though.

really? Because, to be perfectly honest, Camn said Gieff was town, WAY before i did. So if anyone was agreeing, it's me.

BM

[Zachrulez]

I do find Camn agreeing with BM's town read on you strange though.

really? Because, to be perfectly honest, Camn said Gieff was town, WAY before i did. So if anyone was agreeing, it's me.

BM

Where did she say he was town for the first time?

[Battle Mage]

And

Camn

... voting yourself does nothing else than confusing me...

if you were town... it would never be a good strategy to lynch yourself unless you were going for a trade with someone of 1 after the other if the first doesn't flip scum (Wich seems also bad because both could be town) so, at this point, it only hurts us.

1) Are you town and trying to make a point by voting yourself or do you EARNESTLY believe it will help? why are we gonna gain something from your lynch if you're town? SensFan's defense of you is just a threat and a lie. So I need a real reason.

2) The other theory I have is that you're pulling a gambyt to look town... the "look, she is willing to die, so she probably isn't scum" one....

Do you see why is most unhelpful?

Camn- what do you think of this post? To me, it stinks of coaching, and perhaps even indicates that Alex knows you are town. Given you know your own role, what do you make of it?

BM

[Battle Mage]

I do find Camn agreeing with BM's town read on you strange though.

really? Because, to be perfectly honest, Camn said Gieff was town, WAY before i did. So if anyone was agreeing, it's me.

BM

Where did she say he was town for the first time?

I dont know. and dont care. But i'm telling you for a FACT it was before i did. If you've done your research, you'd know this.

BM

[Kmd4390]

ATTENTION TOWN: WE'RE NOT LYNCHING CAMN TODAY.

Works for me. I refuse to vote Camn today unless something pretty much proves she is scum, which I don't see happening, especially in an all vanilla game.

Unvote, Vote Alexhans

[Benmage]

I have a bad feeling this day is going to draggggg.

[Battle Mage]

ATTENTION TOWN: WE'RE NOT LYNCHING CAMN TODAY.

More votes on people who are actually scum: Alex, Mastin or Bowel Movements.

I'll address the rest of this crap later.

Ooh, if only i had your aptitude with acronyms, you...Virgin Prick.

BM

[Kmd4390]

ATTENTION TOWN: WE'RE NOT LYNCHING CAMN TODAY.

More votes on people who are actually scum: Alex, Mastin or Bowel Movements.

I'll address the rest of this crap later.

Ooh, if only i had your aptitude with acronyms, you...Virgin Prick.

BM

What a Brilliant Man.

[Zachrulez]

I don't see why there's so much resistance to a Mastin lynch here.

There's a case, that Mastin apparently can't be bothered to respond to so he lurks, and lurks and lurks and lurks and lurks...

Meanwhile, all these other bandwagons get shoved down our throats over him.

I am wondering if everyone on Alex's bandwagon is truly convinced he is more likely scum than Mastin or is simply bandwagoning him to avoid lynching Mastin.

[Battle Mage]

ATTENTION TOWN: WE'RE NOT LYNCHING CAMN TODAY.

Works for me. I refuse to vote Camn today unless something pretty much proves she is scum, which I don't see happening, especially in an all vanilla game.

Unvote, Vote Alexhans

why so adamant that Camn is town?

BM