The Werewolves of Millers Hollow (Game Over)

[The Replacement]

Why is the case on Mike (mine and Jahundo's) null to you?

[Jahudo]

I said earlier, if you have something that you need me to comment on, please bring it up. Link me to the post, quote it. I'm not going to go on a wild goose chase for you.

That's not how this game works. I find it questionable that you have found nothing to say about any of the active people in this game besides dramonic.

It is an ideal scum strategy but an unusual town strategy (not uncommon as much as anti-town) to only focus on one player and hold off on reading anyone else, because you could hop onto anyone that becomes a viable lynch tomorrow, and so forth for the rest of the game.

So I have no reason to think you are town and a good reason to think you are scum right now.

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To reiterate a major point of the mike case:

I'm thinking of voting Dr Pepper, the posts Kaiveran posted do seem quite scummy.

If we don't get a satisfactory answer for the question you still have outstanding (I think it's the one near the bottom of page 33? That was a while ago...) I think I'll be voting. I hadn't had him pegged as scum previously, though- I can't really say why but I'd got the impression he was quite levelheaded and townie.

This post occurred after multiple Mike posts in which he doesn't understand what makes Pepper look scummy. The only things Kaiveran pointed out had previously been addressed and Mike had a different opinion about those things the first time around.

The only thing that changed from page 33 to page 36, how I see it, was the shift from the mufasa wagon to the pepper wagon.

Mike had only read/re-read up to a certain point on Page 33 (post 808) but if he was following the current game by that point he should have been reading and commenting on the same posts Kaiveran did to make Mike change his mind on page 36. But by page 35/36 Mike still had the same perspective on dr pepper as he did on page 33 (post 808) without showing any insight into posts 782 and 787 or Page 32.
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So who thinks that's a null read and why?

[Yosarian2]

I said earlier, if you have something that you need me to comment on, please bring it up. Link me to the post, quote it. I'm not going to go on a wild goose chase for you.

Unvote

Vote:Starbuck

[Starbuck]

My number one suspect at the moment is dramonic. He has been rolefishing more than once, and that whole thing with trying to out the lovers, I did not like at all.

I know nothing will happen, it's purely informationnal

oh wait, nvm, something could happen, rulebreaking and stuff <<

Purely informational and then it could be rulebreaking. Then he posts a whole bunch of voting and unvoting with I'm not sure what it was supposed to accomplish. We still don't know if he broke any rules because our mod has been absent.

Also, for the... nth time, one of the lovers could be mafia <<

And the goal was not to "trick" the lovers. My objective was to know the lovers without the mafia knowing.

He is right about the fact that one of the lovers could be mafia, but one or both of the lovers could still be village. I'd rather not out PRs and give them to the mafia on a silver platter.



I read through the game when I first replaced in, so it has been awhile especially now that we have been at the same place for a long while. So yeah, I have forgotten some of the main points of certain cases which is why I asked if there's something you need me to comment upon to please bring it up, or just link me to the post(s) that you want me to read. I can't read your minds to know what you guys want me to read.

[dramonic]

Let me try to explain extensively then.

The rulebreaking: IF this game follows the normal rules of WoMH when it comes to roles, then a lover who votes his love gets modkilled.

The voting: It's to prove I'm not a lover, since I voted everyone without getting modkilled (even if I were a lover knowing Haschel is absent, would I take that risk? No way in hell)

Killing the lovers: WEll, we have the case where one lover is mafia, making lovers a third party, we have the case where both are town, which I believe becomes a huuuuge danger to the town the less players there are AND we also have the (less likely) mafia pair, in which killing those lovers would be a HUGE step ahead.


But since no one seems to want to go along with it, I'll stop pushing it for now :3

[Starbuck]

I would think that the rules of Mafiascum would supercede the rules of whatever game this is based off of, which would mean that even if a lover votes his love, there would be no repercussions.

You seem very interested in this subject and have been for quite some time. Makes me wonder...

[dramonic]

wonder if I'm a lover?
The whole vote-unvote paragraph I made proves I'm not <<

[Yosarian2]

It proves your not if and only if there are loves in this game and they follow those same exact rules, dramonic.

Also; if the lovers are town, then we don't want them dead, ok? Granted they're less useful to the town then 2 vanilla townies would be, but they're more useful then 2 dead lovers, ok?

[dramonic]

fine, fine...

[Jahudo]

The voting: It's to prove I'm not a lover, since I voted everyone without getting modkilled (even if I were a lover knowing Haschel is absent, would I take that risk? No way in hell)

Mod: Can you confirm or deny this as a rule?

[MafiaSSK]

The voting: It's to prove I'm not a lover, since I voted everyone without getting modkilled (even if I were a lover knowing Haschel is absent, would I take that risk? No way in hell)

Mod: Can you confirm or deny this as a rule?

No confirmation or denial.[/colro]

[Yosarian2]

Anyway, I'm ready to just lynch someone and move on, this game has gotten really boring.

Any voulenteers to be lyched?

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Lynch Dramonic, he's the most deserving and has been for, like, 2 months.

[Yosarian2]

Lynch Dramonic, he's the most deserving and has been for, like, 2 months.

Meh. I hate to lynch, like, the most active person in the game, though. Also, while he's made some anti-town plays, I'm not really convinced they're scum motivated, although they certanly could be.

[zwetschenwasser]

I also don't think we should be trying to out lovers.

THIS DAMMIT. WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT LOVERS?

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Lynch Dramonic, he's the most deserving and has been for, like, 2 months.

Meh. I hate to lynch, like, the most active person in the game, though. Also, while he's made some anti-town plays, I'm not really convinced they're scum motivated, although they certanly could be.

This sort of stalling attitude doesn't help. He's been lynchable for 2 months and we still haven't found a better candidate. Let's just move along, lynch him and if he's scum, yay we have stuff to work from, if he's not... well, we 've narrowed down teh suspect list and we'll have another nights worth of night actions to help us along.

C'mon people, we can end this game at some point, if we actually lynch the scummy people!

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Also, his activity level is scummy in itself, since the game has made everyone else bored. It means he has something at stake. Thus, more likelyy to be scum.

[Yosarian2]

Lynch Dramonic, he's the most deserving and has been for, like, 2 months.

Meh. I hate to lynch, like, the most active person in the game, though. Also, while he's made some anti-town plays, I'm not really convinced they're scum motivated, although they certanly could be.

This sort of stalling attitude doesn't help. He's been lynchable for 2 months and we still haven't found a better candidate. Let's just move along, lynch him and if he's scum, yay we have stuff to work from, if he's not... well, we 've narrowed down teh suspect list and we'll have another nights worth of night actions to help us along.

C'mon people, we can end this game at some point, if we actually lynch the scummy people!

I'd totally have lynched him ages ago, if I thought he was scummy.

Honestly, at this point, I might lynch him anyway, just because it might be the only way we can lynch anyone.

[zwetschenwasser]

Have faith, good sir.

[Jahudo]

We do need a development so I'll vote because I want dramonic to claim and us to talk about his claim. Dizzy has a point that dramonic's activity and focus on power roles might have to do with his own stake in the game, so I want to know his role.

Enough people (more than the number of werewolves I'd expect) say he's scum, and that's the main reason I'm voting.

I still don't think the evidence leads him to be scum and my gut says he's town, but I don't care if I get flak for thinking that while I'm on the wagon.

unvote;
Vote: dramonic

Claim now because you're at L-1.

(7)dramonic: NabakovNabakov, Gorrad, DizzyIzzyB13, Starbuck, Ztife, MikeSC6, Jahudo
(2)zwetschenwasser: Battle Mage, dramonic
(2)Starbuck: Yosarian2
(1)MikeSC6: The Replacement
(1)The Replacement: Rockatansky
(0)Yosarian2:
(0)Battle Mage:
(0)Jahudo:
(0)DizzyIzzyB13:
()Ztife:
()NabakovNabakov:
()Gorrad:
()Rockatansky:

Zwets, try to hold off on your scummy quick hammer until after he claims and we have some talk.

[zwetschenwasser]

Unvote; Vote: dramonic

nah.

[MafiaSSK]

Dramonic has now been lynched. He was a

Simple Villager

. The town is now vexed at their lousy results. You all must now immeadiately lynch a second person. To do so, send me one vote of whom you'd like to get lynched. Regular lynching rules apply.

[dramonic]

Jahudo, you soooooo knew Zwet would hammer me -_-

What were you thinking? XD

[MafiaSSK]

If I had mod powers, then I'd lock the thread and delete that post.

[Mack_and_Cheese42]

im in for next game