mini 819 - WWF Mafia: Over!

[xxFabianxx]

What IS your point, exactly?
State it again please, because you're all over the place.

What has Post 124, where I say I believe the claim, which I later explained is because it sounds like my own, got to do with the post where I vote Archon, and I also explain then my reasons why I think voting him is better than not?
It's ALL there, ALL the things you are asking have already been answered, you have no

case

, if I could call it that.

There is nothing wrong with my response in 259, it is still perfectly relevant, it answers all of your questions that you insist on banging on about, and now you're not making any sense to me at all.

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The "Everyone's got a price..." holdcount

Kreriov (2) - don_johnson, DDD

Debonair Danny DiPietro (1) - Kreriov
xxFabianxx (1) - Locke Lamora
Locke Lamora (1) - SpyreX
don_johnson (1) - massive

SpyreX (0) -
massive (0) -
hambargarz (0) -
Sotty7 (0) -

Relaxing in the neutral corner:

Sotty7, xxFabianxx, hambargarz

With 9 wrestlers in the ring, it takes 5 to throw someone out.

[Locke Lamora]

My first point is that you acknowledge that Archon looks scummy, even saying that 'it isn't looking any better' after a reread. You go from that into believing his claim and putting his scumminess down to a brainfart simply because he claims jobber and that's something that sounds like your own role, despite acknowledging the possibility of fake RCs. I don't see the logical progression there.

You then called my point about post 124 stupid, implying that if you were scum you wouldn't back your partner up in a situation where everyone was voting for him. My second point is that you weren't in a situation where EVERYONE was voting for Archon and VP had actually hinted that he believed Archon's claim, so your own belief and justification of that belief was in no way a case of a single scum partner defending against hordes of anti-Archon voters.

[don_johnson]

^^ yes.

bodyslam: xxfabianxx

[massive]

Locke: Post 263 is WIFOM in regards to your response to me as well. Obviously me saying "no scum" is hyperbole and should have been read as such; trying to bring WIFOM examples into the discussion doesn't change the fact that Fabian was the FIRST person to believe Archon's fakeclaim and did so for mostly-likely legit reasons.

Can we please lynch don_johnson now?

[SpyreX]

@LL:

There is a world of difference between "What is a Jobber?" and "

If

Jobber is vanilla town."

Not knowing what a Jobber is makes the most sense from a town-PR.

Having the correct hypothetical simply makes the least sense from a town-Jobber.

REALLY starting to ponder a massclaim today believe it or not.

[Sotty7]

Okay after a re-read, Hambargarz is my number one suspect.

In 57 it looks like he is trying to clam Archon down by saying no one was questioning him and that he had looked townie. Possible coaching.

In 84 he states he was going to vote Archon but couldn't double post. This doesn't add up because his post before that is a short one @Massive. Forgets about his potential Archon vote and votes Don instead.

136 he agrees with Archon and votes TripleD for being opportunistic scum never actually explains how. 174 is him opening the door to vote Archon if need be.

Bulldog: Hambargarz

I doubt DDD is scum at this point after his thing with Archon. I don't agree with a Kreriov wagon either.

Other suspects include
Don for his unhelpfulness and bandwagoning.
Fab mainly for 124, choosing to believe Archon's claim while talking about fake claims.

[Kreriov]

I am doubtful of DDD being scum myself. If he is, he is really going out on a ledge. As for Hambargarz, I have been considering him and massive. There are only 3 people who were not on the Archon wagon and still alive, so I figure one of those 2 are probably scum. In doing rereads, Hambargarz seemed more scummy. I did not like where he basically says he is just like me in believing Archon's claim. It seems like he is setting up a cover should I be lynched or night killed and then flip town, something scum would already know.

@SpyreX - No mass claim, tomorrow better. We are up right now. I am obviously a PR and will say NOT a protective one. Scum have big WIFOM choice about targeting me tonight!

Running Clothesline: Hambargarz

[xxFabianxx]

I told Archon I would vote him unless he had good reason for stating that his plans only benefited Mafia, before his claim.

After he claimed, the suspicions raised about his claim were some of the very same things I thought about myself when I received my own role.
I think at this point it should be obvious enough what my role is, so I thought about it from my point of view and decided to believe the claim, while openly stating that I knew there were probably Fake RCs in the game, so it was obvious from the outset that I did have some doubts in my mind, and I never denied this or went out on a limb to defend him.

Then when I placed my vote, my reasoning is stated very clearly as to why, the town would be better off after removing some WIFOM and speculation.

[hambargarz]

@sotty7:

57, If I were scum, I wouldn't coach my partner by bringing attention to him like that. I would be doing more harm than good

84, I was going to vote him in the previous post believe it or not. DJ caught my eye after fabian mentioned he wasn't helping. I wanted to apply a bit of pressure on DJ at that point.

136, that post would have been after his claim. I took a chance and chose to believe the claim. There were other more suspicious players at the time for me

I also simul-posted with spyrex hammering archon, the vote has been deleted due to word count though. Perhaps some of you saw it before it was removed

[SpyreX]

I'm not digging the hambargarz lynch. Clear and concise why is he scum you voters you.

Time is starting to be a factor and I swear just because its short days doesn't mean we need to play thumbnuts until deadline.

That said I want real content from everyone (I AM TALKING TO YOU SOTTY) or I will throw down a lurker lynch faster than bees on speed.

[massive]

hambargarz: I saw your vote. Trying to call your "overkill" vote of Archon a "simulpost" is really pushing it, since anyone can go back and see that it came about fifteen minutes after the hammer vote.

Michinoku Driver '07: hambargarz

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

@SpyreX – I don’t know why you’re so quick to discount the possibility of scum setting up a fake PR claim. That being said, there’s no apparent support for a Kreriov wagon anymore, so I’ll be content to place him on a backburner and keep a watch on him.

Kneebar: Hambargarz

I outlined my reasons for suspecting Hambargarz yesterday and he still met my criteria for possible scum today. His posts today don’t improve my opinion of him at all as they seem to be devoid of scumhunting.

[don_johnson]

reverse suplex: hambargarz

speedlynch much?

*flexes, palm to ear*

[massive]

Please dear god lynch don_johnson tomorrow.

[don_johnson]

why? do you have some sort of odd feeling that hambargarz is town? weren't you trying to throw him out of the ring? hm.

[SpyreX]

I -really- would be surprised if a scum PR fakeclaim came out like that.

However, the fact we didn't even GET A CLAIM from Hamburgerz (even though as massive pointed out and I missed there is no way that was a "simupost") makes me very wroth with DJ.

Wroth enough that he's getting the deathgrip tomorrow.

[hambargarz]

oh dear, that's a hammer I think, I didn't even get to claim.
well played scum.

[xxFabianxx]

We had 4 days left.....


Well, what's done is done.
See you tomorrow.

[Locke Lamora]

Hammering almost 72 hours early and without a claim is beyond stupid, especially with week-long deadlines. DJ needs to go.

[Sotty7]

SpyreX what are you talking about. I have posted content.

As for that lynch it was ridiculously fast there should have been a claim at least. I really didn't expect such a quick pile on when I voted. Lets hope my read is correct.

[Kreriov]

Well, if we have a Vig, they should kill DJ tonight. I do not think we should lynch him tomorrow, actually. DJ has been less than impressive in other games, but this is just downright stupid. Jester much?

[hambargarz]

Hmm dunno if I'm still allowed to talk..

It's a pity I didn't get to claim, I had a good, semi-breadcrumbed and provable claim that would have confirmed me town. Ah well, guess you'll all have to see me flip.

I'd say more but I think it may be unfair and breaking the rules.

[don_johnson]

the seats aren't sold out so people can watch us "discuss" things.

hambargarz, you can claim if you want, its not against the rules.

[massive]

Good, so, would you like to discuss why on earth you lynched hambargarz with three days left on the deadline?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I'll bet a dollar on Don's response being something along the lines that he didn't lynch hambargarz, he'll instead say that he either tossed him from the ring or reverse suplexed him.