Mafia 98 - Apennine Mafia (Game Over)

[Benmage]

And for the love of god, please unvote yourself. You'll be doing yourself a bigger favor then you think.

zzzz for the moment

unvote

don't think i wont self-hammer when i've said my piece.

[Zachrulez]

DO NOT SELF HAMMER!

FFS Don't do that to us.

Look at that game from our point of view. (The ones you think are r-tard town at least.)

Our reaction to the way you came out of night is quite reasonable. I hope you can take a look and see that.

[GIEFF]

As scum why did I pick VPB, our kill target?? Would I think it make me look more town?

Yes. Obviously. There is no reason at all to paste a long wall analyzing a dead townie, other than to scream "I DID NOT KNOW VP BALTAR WAS GOING TO BE NIGHT KILLED."

Would I also gamble iso'ing a fellow scum in jammer or SF...

Why are you assuming that Benmage-scum implies jammer-scum or Sensfan-scum?

[Zachrulez]

And Benmage, I would appreciate an answer to my question about what you think of Gieff.

[Benmage]

@@Gieff

1. It seems people clearly ignored the

effort

I put into this game. SF’s post was comical. How he isn’t being lynched is beyond. How Zach possible interpreted it as a scum move is also beyond me. Of course jammer the person whose my case was closest to being against if against anyone would vote me. Gieff we haven’t seen eye to eye most of this game, you voting me is no surprise.
2. I did not take the focus on off. I wasn’t necessarily putting it on anyone. I wanted people to read my iso’s discuss on them and the conclusions, answer any remarks by the isoeees as I was beginning to do with jammer before being sidetracked and losing interest. When I mentioned the surge of idiocy I thought I was answering something in response to my new lynch preference which didn’t have you listed. Hence making people via the idiocy seem scummier than you.
3. I don’t fully understand this one.
4. Again I think this one could be answered under question two. Everyone can’t be scum, and so I go with who I feel is scummiest at the moment. Camn has switched her play, and if she continues to vote with me(town) why the hell would I lynch her.

[Benmage]

Why are you assuming that Benmage-scum implies jammer-scum or Sensfan-scum?

A question posing. If i'm scum, think of all my motives. Do you think I'd iso a fellow scum to seem balanced or not?

[Benmage]

And Benmage, I would appreciate an answer to my question about what you think of Gieff.

I can't give you a logical one at the moment. Too flustered/distracted to think about him rationally and recall his play. Maybe later.

[Benmage]

Look at that game from our point of view. (The ones you think are r-tard town at least.)

Our reaction to the way you came out of night is quite reasonable. I hope you can take a look and see that.

Look at my point of view. Look at what I just said to meditate on and consider. Look at my iso's my whole game. YOUR votes and come back to tell me how i'm scummy.

No i don't think your reaction was reasonable. I gave a plethora of things to discuss; to notice the conclusions and associates; to re-analysis these peoples plays and see if my logic was either sound or faulty and comment on it.... and you've all sidetracked it.

[Zachrulez]

And Benmage, I would appreciate an answer to my question about what you think of Gieff.

I can't give you a logical one at the moment. Too flustered/distracted to think about him rationally and recall his play. Maybe later.

There isn't any time limit on this. If you need time to think it over, then take some time to calm down and think about it.

unvote:

I'll reconsider my position on you for now and allow more discussion before I vote.

[Yaw]

Vote Count:

Benmage (3): SensFan, GIEFF, jammer


Not Voting: Battle Mage, alexhans, Cephrir, Debonair Danny DiPietro, blackcatcontract, camn, Kmd4390, SpyreX, Benmage, Zachrulez

7 to lynch

[Zachrulez]

Gieff's really got my attention through all of this.

His tone seems to have changed. Here he is making a case to prove that Benmage is scum, but he doesn't want more people to vote for him.

When he did this with Alexhans yesterday, he was openly calling for more votes to get Alex lynched as quickly as possible.

It seems strange to me.

[GIEFF]

12 hours into Day 2 with half the players yet to post is much different than 45 pages into Day 1, with another player rapidly approaching lynch.

[Benmage]

Any comments Gieff, on what I've asked you to meditate on/reconsider as well as my own answering of your questions. Also perhaps an explicit statement regarding your initial vote and how you currently feel about it.

[Zachrulez]

12 hours into Day 2 with half the players yet to post is much different than 45 pages into Day 1, with another player rapidly approaching lynch.

Which begs the question of what happened to your suspicion of Alexhans?

[Battle Mage]

Woot! I'm still alive, and VP Baltar is dead!

I remember i had lots to say at the end of day, but forget what. All i remember is anger. Lots of anger...

Will take a look now.

A rather happy,
BM

[GIEFF]

Benmage:

To clarify my point #3:

You claimed that your vote to me was to show me that I was distracting from the Mastin wagon, but your behavior distracted from the Mastin-wagon just as much as my own did. Which makes me think that your stated reason was not your actual reason. Do you understand?

What "new surge of idiocy" were you referring to in Post 1126?




Here is what Benmage said, which assumed that Benmage-scum implied jammer- or Sens-scum:

Would I also gamble iso'ing a fellow scum in jammer or SF

I will ask again, Benmage: why are you assuming jammer or Sensfan is scum if you are? And why do you think that I should assume that? I'm curious to hear what jammer and Sens think of this, too.


I do not want to lynch you right now, Benmage, and I did not at the time I cast my vote. It is not in the town's interest for me to say any more.

[Battle Mage]

@Battle Mage

I get a bloody point for those iso's! and doing something constructive during the night phase.

Battle Mage =1.5 Benmage =1.5

Haha, doing iso's at night seems a bit foolish to me. Especially if, like i did, you believed there was a good chance you'd be NKed. That said, i'm grateful that you did the Jammer one on my request. Will look at the content, when i've caught up and interpretted this wagon that you appear to have endured, and will ascertain whether i agree that you deserve a full point, or just half.

BM

[GIEFF]

12 hours into Day 2 with half the players yet to post is much different than 45 pages into Day 1, with another player rapidly approaching lynch.

Which begs the question of what happened to your suspicion of Alexhans?

If this was your question, why didn't you ask it? Why start by trying to call my behavior inconsistent, when the two situations are so clearly different?


Nothing happened to my suspicion of alexhans. I think he is likely scum.

[Zachrulez]

Just less likely than Benmage?

[camn]

It is not in the town's interest for me to say any more.

KMD Gambit, huh?

@BattleMage:
Benmage said he was NOT particularly surprised that he was NOT nightkilled.
Do you think that is true?

It jives with his doing night isos as town...
but it doesn't jive with some of his phrasing early on.

Your thoughts?

[Battle Mage]

Vote: Benmage

wanna come out from under Sens's coat and explain your own vote? The Sens vote wasnt bad, but really that's mainly because it's Sens. You don't have the luxury of that meta.

Also, 1095 suggests that Camn and Benmage are highly unlikely to be scumbuddies.

Edit from looking down at the page: Can you guys please shut the hell up until ive finished catching up? Otherwise you're gonna add us another 3 pages in the next hour.

BM

[Battle Mage]

It is not in the town's interest for me to say any more.

KMD Gambit, huh?

@BattleMage:
Benmage said he was NOT particularly surprised that he was NOT nightkilled.
Do you think that is true?

It jives with his doing night isos as town...
but it doesn't jive with some of his phrasing early on.

Your thoughts?

Benmage seems pretty blatant town to me. His first post, was pretty much in the same vein as mine. I felt i was a likely NK candidate, and there was a contingent that wanted me lynched yesterday. So i can see why he might have kinda expected he might take a bullet. The iso's seem a bit odd, but the fact he did one on VP Baltar stinks of alot of effort being put in, if he was indeed scum.

The only scenario in which i could realistically see Benmage as scum for his morning outburst, is if he didnt want to kill VP, but was over-ruled by his team, after doing his iso read. But, for now, he's a helpful player, and i dont think that warrants a serious wagon at this point.

BM

[GIEFF]

Just less likely than Benmage?

No. I think alex is more likely scum than Benmage.

[Zachrulez]

Yet you are voting for Benmage and not Alex...

[GIEFF]

:roll:

Yet you are voting for Benmage and not Alex...

You are voting for "no one."

Do you think that "no one" is scummier than Benmage? Is there a point to all your questions?