Mafia 98 - Apennine Mafia (Game Over)

[Yaw]

Vote Count:

blackcatcontract (2): Kmd4390, jammer
SensFan (2): GIEFF, Benmage
Battle Mage (1): alexhans
Kmd4390 (1): Battle Mage

Not Voting: SensFan, Debonair Danny DiPietro, blackcatcontract, SpyreX, Zachrulez

6 to lynch

[jammer]

Lol paranoia about strong players not being NKed is not a new thing for me. Again, i cant reference this, but you could always ask Yos. xD
It's a BM-towntell.

Selfclearing?

Comrades:

If you feel that Gieff is town, are you surprised that he is still alive?

Honestly, I'm wondering why you're still live, anyone else?

Because you used your absence from a Cephrir-lynch as a defense.

He was in favour of lynching Cephrir, not in favour of a quicklynch, Yes?

The thing that seems off with BM is the sudden change in opinion about gieff.
obv. Town->scum

@Everyone: Read Battle Mage in ISO so you can understand why you need to vote him. Then do it, please. He has been the Prince of Bullshit all game long. To that we can add the Mayor Fencesitter title.

He posted a whole load. Read that all?
If I get the case,
1) It is some votehopping. (About that, GIEFF got a up to date vote- thingy, or did you do that recently?)
2) GIEFF alligment opinion. scum->town->scum, and inconsistant with suspicions overall. (point taken, the changing opinion about gieff is weird.
3) Voting both lynch targets, but not voting them in the end. (He supported a Cephrir lynch, about Mastin(also 4) I want to find out in what extent he was "defending" him)
4) Calling Mastin obv. town when Mastin he was being lynched? (Missed that. =/ I'm going to look for that.)
5) Being in favour for one lurker over the other one. (What about GIEFF wanting to lynch bcc instead of Cephrir)

Also, I did partly skim this. Not another wall-O-text.
I read more tomorrow.

[Benmage]

Where did you (and Alex) conclude 3 scum from? Looking at the numbers, i'd have leaned more towards 4. *Shrug* maybe i'm wrong.

For balance reasonings. It was deemed 2:10 as fair. So 3:12 seemed way more logical than 4:11. I believe SF illustrates the stats in his iso, but I may be wrong.

I don't see why people would apologise to Camn now she is dead. If you were rude, you were rude, REGARDLESS of her affiliation. Her coming up town doesnt make it any more wrong.

I apologized to her yesterday, not today, nor after discovering her death.

@Benmage: I know what BM really stands for: Bullshit Master.

Is this a jab at me?

joy. This game really wears on me when Benmage isn't here.

I’m with Gieff wherein I’m trying to post less, I’ll clearly answer questions when directed at me. But I think it’s best at the moment if I sit back and let others catch-up and post. We must hear from SpryeX, DDD, and BCC.

So than let me amend my stance:
Lynch Preference:
SensFan

Need to contribute more:
BCC
DDD
SpryeX
KmD
SF

Feel free to remain active:
Jammer
Zach
Alex

Limited posting for a few days while others catchup:
BM-BM
Gieff

Let’s see how today’s scum-hunting goes if those from the bottom to the top of the list take a back seat and allow those at the top to give some sort of scum-hunting direction. (We have atleast 2 days to wait before SF is back from V/La, then probably another day of him “catching-up”…then we lynch him.)

Note: I want jammer to do some scum hunting…I still think he’s scummy, but several others find his play town. So maybe I am missing something.

[GIEFF]

At jammer's request:

camn

Vote: VP BALTHAR (Post 6)
unvote Vote :GIEFF (Post 65)
UNVOTE (Post 146)
Vote : Gieff (Post 150)
UNVOTE vote: Benmage (Post 305)
UNVOTE (Post 438)
VOTE: MASTIN (Post 454)
UNvote Vote Camn (Post 645)
MORE CAMN VOTES PLEASE!!!!!! (Post 682)
UNVOTE VOTE: MASTIN (Post 868)
UNVOTE VOTE GIEFF (Post 962)
VOTE CEPHIR (Post 1472)

Mastin

Mastin Votes: Mastin (Post 7)
Mastin Unvotes: Mastin, Mastin Votes: Battle Mage (Post 11)

blackcatcontract

vote: alexhans (Post 8)
vote: jammer (Post 23)

Debonair Danny DiPietro

Vote: Kairyuu (Post 10)
Unvote; Vote: Cephrir (Post 60)
Unvote; Vote: Mastin (Post 249)
Vote: Cephrir (Post 1308)

alexhans

Vote broomhead (Post 13)
FoS Benmage (Post 95)
Vote SensFan (Post 278)
For all of you who don't like wall posts... Imagine this as several posts for several people.... You can JUST SKIM those who are not directed at you if you are so annoyed with my posting style. (Post 685)
Unvote, Vote Battle Mage (Post 875)
Vote BCC (Post 1361)
FoS: SensFanVote Battle Mage (Post 1485)

SpyreX

Unvote, Vote: Zachrules (Post 231)
Unvote, vote: Cephrir (Post 538)
Unvote, Vote Debonair Danny DiPietro (Post 651)
Unvote, Vote: Mastin (Post 739)
Unvote, Vote Camn (Post 793)
Unvote (Post 903)
Vote: GIEFF (Post 906)
Unvote (Post 923)
Unvote, Vote: Mastin (Post 1069)
Vote: Cephrir (Post 1452)

jammer

Vote: SensFan (Post 22)
Vote: GIEFF (Post 57)
Unvote: GIEFF Vote: Cephrir (Post 205)
Unvote: Cephrir Vote: GIEFF (Post 426)
Mod: Prod Mastin. Unvote: Gieff Vote: Mastin (Post 711)
Unvote (Post 751)
Vote: Spyrex (Post 807)
Unvote: SpyreX (Post 993)
Vote: Benmage (Post 1115)
Unvote: Benmage Vote: BCC (Post 1349)
Unvote: BCC Vote: Cephrir (Post 1357)
Vote: blackcatcontract (Post 1499)

GIEFF

Vote: jammer (Post 31)
unvote jammer (Post 56)
Vote Mastin (Post 70)
FOS alexhans (Post 128)
FoS camn (Post 339)
UnvoteVote: Battle Mage (Post 362)
unvotevote camnHOS BattleMage (Post 411)
confirm vote: camn (Post 676)
UnvoteVote mastin (Post 726)
unvotevote spyrex (Post 794)
unvotevote mastin (Post 871)
Unvote Mastin (Post 877)
Vote alex (Post 883)
unvoteVote Mastin (Post 1071)
Vote Benmage (Post 1112)
unvotevote blackcatcontract (Post 1339)
Vote Sensfan (Post 1487)

Cephrir

Zachrulez

Vote: Gieff (Post 46)
Unvote:Vote: Mastin (Post 63)
FOS: Alexhans (Post 298)
Unvote: Vote: Gieff (Post 1024)
Unvote: Vote: Mastin (Post 1062)
Vote: Benmage (Post 1104)
Vote: Gieff (Post 1202)
Unvote: Vote: blackcatcontract (Post 1311)
Unvote Vote: Cephrir (Post 1453)

SensFan

Vote" jammer (Post 47)
Vote: GIEFF (Post 209)
Unvote, Vote: Mastin (Post 270)
Unvote, Vote: GIEFF (Post 416)
Unvote: Vote Mastin (Post 473)
Unvote. (Post 474)
Vote: Benmage (Post 1103)
Unvote, Vote: Cephir (Post 1480)

VP Baltar

Vote GIEFF (Post 113)
Unvote, Vote: Battle Mage (Post 144)
Unvote, Vote: Mastin (Post 237)
Unvote, Vote:alexhans (Post 524)
Unvote, Vote Mastin (Post 745)

Benmage

Vote Mastin (Post 83)
unvote (Post 194)
Vote Mastin (Post 230)
Vote Camn (Post 644)
vote Mastin (Post 866)
vote Gieff (Post 957)
Vote Mastin (Post 1075)
Vote SensFan (Post 1105)
vote Benmage (Post 1116)
unvote (Post 1176)
vote Cephrir (Post 1259)
vote Cephrir (Post 1343)
Vote SensFan (Post 1524)

Battle Mage

Vote: Ben (Post 69)
Unvote, Vote: Mastin (Post 72)
Unvote, Vote: Alex Hans (Post 111)
Confirm Vote: Alex (Post 143)
Unvote, Vote: Gieff (Post 214)
Unvote, Vote: VP Baltar (Post 354)
Unvote, Vote: Camn (Post 659)
Unvote (Post 692)
Vote: Camn (Post 753)
Unvote, Vote: Jammer (Post 809)
Unvote, Vote: Alexhans (Post 985)
Vote: Gieff (Post 1224)
Unvote, Vote: Zach (Post 1235)
Unvote (Post 1248)
Vote: Cephrir (Post 1252)
Unvote (Post 1351)
Unvote, Vote: Cephrir (Post 1359)
Unvote, Vote: Zach (Post 1402)
Vote: Kmd (Post 1506)

Kmd4390

Vote Cephrir (Post 253)
Unvote, Vote GIEFF (Post 320)
Unvote, Vote Alexhans (Post 720)
Unvote, Vote Mastin (Post 806)
Vote GIEFF (Post 1327)
Vote alexhans (Post 1486)
Unvote, Vote blackcatcontract (Post 1493)

[Zachrulez]

Doing a bit of reading and I ran into this.

Great Job everyone... Nice quicklynch.

specially Camn and SensFan...

FoS: SensFan

Don't hide behind your scummy meta of hammering without reason.

Vote Battle Mage

It's him, bcc or maybe SensFan today.

Bye.

Bolded is gloating.

-------------------------------

GIEFF:

What do you think about your Camn+Alex theory now?

Newly-humbled GIEFF is going to take a backseat now to try to avoid way too many pages of text or steering the town in the wrong direction.

Good. That will be healthy for the game.

I do not consider myself the most threatening player in the game. I think the reason I was not killed is that so many people find me scummy.

And probably because your massive rain of posts pulled this game into a bloody confusion that helps scum.

Entire portion of this post is of a gloating nature. Bolded is spiking the ball after scoring a touchdown type of gloating.

Note that gloating is a scumtell...

I hate seeing this used by Alex to shame Gieff into playing the game less and not actively voicing suspicion, especially and particularly of Alexhans.

Liking Alex less.

I need to take another look Sensfan, DDD, and Spyrex, and KMD, and see what I think of them in light of what has happened in the last few days. I've got some reading and some more thinking to do.

[alexhans]

WTF? Gloating is a scumtell? I have the right to attack those who played poorly and allowed a town lurker to be quicklynched over a possbile scum lurker. I'm not shutting up GIEFF forever... I'm just saying he should moderate his extreme posting... That's not shaming or any other bull of the kind... I just hated how he paired me up with Camn (Camn could be scum for all I knew) and said we were buddying and that i was coaching her. He used that as an argument to try to lynch me over Mastin. It was a flawed argument, as we can see now.
---------------------------------
BCC hasn't posted since 19 July... however... he confirmed first night and then via kairyuu... what's up with that?

DDD has posted in other places but hasn't even posted to say hi...

GIEFF... it would be cool if you could divide the votepatterns by days... for the next one...

[Kmd4390]

Vote: Kmd

He was completely absent for yesterday, bar 2 posts, where he criticised the activity, and attacked Gieff because he had on Day 1. Today he hasnt pursued Gieff again, and seems to want to play the game. I could see scum getting bolder with less townies to contend with, and i'm thinking it might be good to look at people who have been out of the spotlight till now.

BM

I'm "absent" all over MS lately. That's partially why I'm leaving the site. No time for mafia anymore.

I'd still be willing to vote GIEFF, but I've kind of second guessed my stance on him as the game has gone on, so he's not top priority.

What do you mean by "bold" and why is it a scumtell?

What exactly makes BCC's lurking strategic compared to how Cephrir's lack of posting yesterday seemed to be the same?

I've never seen Ceph NOT lurk in a game. Black pretty much said he was catching up and kind of posted a little and disappeared again. I'm not aware of Black's meta, but I know Ceph will lurk anywhere.

[Zachrulez]

WTF? Gloating is a scumtell? I have the right to attack those who played poorly and allowed a town lurker to be quicklynched over a possbile scum lurker. I'm not shutting up GIEFF forever... I'm just saying he should moderate his extreme posting... That's not shaming or any other bull of the kind... I just hated how he paired me up with Camn (Camn could be scum for all I knew) and said we were buddying and that i was coaching her. He used that as an argument to try to lynch me over Mastin. It was a flawed argument, as we can see now.

Yes, gloating is a scumtell, and you were definitely doing it.

Camn not being scum does NOT eliminate the possibility that you are.

[Kmd4390]

Zach, Camn was town, not scum.

[Kmd4390]

Haha, my bad. Misread that. Missed the word "not".

[Zachrulez]

That reminds me, I need to re-read Alex's reaction to the Mastin lynch.

[alexhans]

I never said that Camn town meant Alex town. I just said that an Alex+Camn scumpair because I used a buddying language (coaching?) was stupid.

And gloating is NOT a scumtell and I was definetly doing it. It represents a bit of joy in this messed up game.

read all you want... my reaction was some kind of I-knew-it resignation.
Link where GIEFF asked me the same question.

KMD: That happens when you're playing too much games at a time. I remember you saying you could play 10 games or more at a time. Take a break. Play fewer. But, play!

[Zachrulez]

DDD's play has seemed off to me for quite some time now. I am used to him being active and certainly used to him being more opinionated.

He's been lurking for a week and a half now. (Since the 23rd of July, he's had a total of 2 posts here.) Yet he targets lurkers and has happened to end up on the lynching bandwagon of 2 lurkers.

Vote: Debonair Danny Dipeitro.

Your lurking is unacceptable. Post or Perish.

[alexhans]

Who's Dipeitro, Zachurlezl? XD

[Zachrulez]

Who's Dipeitro, Zachurlezl? XD

Bleh, I misspelled the name. Having a name that long should be against the rules.

[Zachrulez]

And gloating is a scumtell Alex.

I have found it to be a fairly reliable too.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

DDD has posted in other places but hasn't even posted to say hi...

Hi.

[alexhans]

Hi DDD (not so hard, right Zach?)

Mispelling is totally a scumtell too...

[GIEFF]

I just said that an Alex+Camn scumpair because I used a buddying language (coaching?) was stupid.

camn and Mastin flipping town does NOT mean you are town.

[Zachrulez]

I just said that an Alex+Camn scumpair because I used a buddying language (coaching?) was stupid.

camn and Mastin flipping town does NOT mean you are town.

^ This.

Alex's defense of Mastin still bothers me. The gloating over the Cephrir lynch and Camn flipping town are not helping matters either.

[Zachrulez]

DDD has posted in other places but hasn't even posted to say hi...

Hi.

Hi.

Anything to say about my vote on you?

Anything to say about the game in general?

Anything at all?

[Battle Mage]

I never said that Camn town meant Alex town. I just said that an Alex+Camn scumpair because I used a buddying language (coaching?) was stupid.

How would anyone accuse you of coaching Camn?

BM

[Battle Mage]

DDD has posted in other places but hasn't even posted to say hi...

Hi.

*shrug*

Unvote, Vote: DDD

If i'm gonna lose this game, i'm at least gonna lose it to somebody who was TRYING to play.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Zach, if you can reference your meta on DDD, that'd be fab.

Vote: Kmd

He was completely absent for yesterday, bar 2 posts, where he criticised the activity, and attacked Gieff because he had on Day 1. Today he hasnt pursued Gieff again, and seems to want to play the game. I could see scum getting bolder with less townies to contend with, and i'm thinking it might be good to look at people who have been out of the spotlight till now.

BM

I'm "absent" all over MS lately. That's partially why I'm leaving the site. No time for mafia anymore.

I'd still be willing to vote GIEFF, but I've kind of second guessed my stance on him as the game has gone on, so he's not top priority.

What do you mean by "bold" and why is it a scumtell?

why are you suddenly more active now? The word "bold" is referring to you "coming out of the woodwork" today.

BM

[Zachrulez]

Zach, if you can reference your meta on DDD, that'd be fab.

I have referenced the game previously in this game. It's mini 761. Do you need a link to it again?