Mafia 98 - Apennine Mafia (Game Over)

[Battle Mage]

Ok, DDD is posting again.

Unvote:

At this point I'm considering a vote on either Sensfan (really not liking that hammer) or Alexhans (really not liking the gloating.)

Gonna need to see more before I can come to a decision I'm happy with though.

is DDD posting a towntell?

BM

[Zachrulez]

Ok, DDD is posting again.

Unvote:

At this point I'm considering a vote on either Sensfan (really not liking that hammer) or Alexhans (really not liking the gloating.)

Gonna need to see more before I can come to a decision I'm happy with though.

is DDD posting a towntell?

BM

No, but it was what I was trying to accomplish with the vote.

[GIEFF]

Both Ceph AND bcc picked up their prods, and neither posted. So you can't use this as a reason to prefer one to apples an apple is fruit.


So, I will ask again - why did you prefer lynching Cephrir to lynching bcc?


Danny, Benmage, jammer, and Zach - please feel free to answer this question, too.



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I didn't see you list Spyrex as town, BM. Were you referring to this?

SpyreX's 1451 is also highly protown. He even makes a big deal of a contingency in which Cephrir is scum. Absolutely no motivation to do this as scum, especially as it is likely to alienate Gieff-one of the...louder, players in the game.
Was a Cephrir hater from Day 1.

You said one post of his was pro-town, you didn't call him obvtown. And you are wrong about 1451 - it is decidedly anti-town. Cephrir and bcc did almost the exact same thing, yet Spyrex (along with others) ignored ncc completely and focused on Cephrir, whom we ended up mislynching.

[GIEFF]

EBWOP:

Both Ceph AND bcc picked up their prods, and neither posted. So you can't use this as a reason to prefer one to the other. It's akin to saying you prefer apples to oranges because an apple is fruit.

[Battle Mage]

Both Ceph AND bcc picked up their prods, and neither posted. So you can't use this as a reason to prefer one to apples an apple is fruit.

are you comparing apples to oranges?

I didn't see you list Spyrex as town, BM. Were you referring to this?

SpyreX's 1451 is also highly protown. He even makes a big deal of a contingency in which Cephrir is scum. Absolutely no motivation to do this as scum, especially as it is likely to alienate Gieff-one of the...louder, players in the game.
Was a Cephrir hater from Day 1.

You said one post of his was pro-town, you didn't call him obvtown. And you are wrong about 1451 - it is decidedly anti-town. Cephrir and bcc did almost the exact same thing, yet Spyrex (along with others) ignored ncc completely and focused on Cephrir, whom we ended up mislynching.

i dont know who you are trying to persuade. I still believe the Cephrir lynch was the correct course of action.

BM

[Zachrulez]

Both Ceph AND bcc picked up their prods, and neither posted. So you can't use this as a reason to prefer one to apples an apple is fruit.


So, I will ask again - why did you prefer lynching Cephrir to lynching bcc?


Danny, Benmage, jammer, and Zach - please feel free to answer this question, too.

Are you kidding? You know full well based on my posts yesterday that I preferred a lynch of BCC. A consensus seemed to be reached on Cephrir, and I had stated I was willing to switch my vote if that happened, and ended up changing my vote as a result. The lynch was then hammered shortly after wards giving no one a chance to reconsider their stance whatsoever.

This is why Sensfan's hammer bothers me.

[Battle Mage]

EBWOP:

Both Ceph AND bcc picked up their prods, and neither posted. So you can't use this as a reason to prefer one to the other. It's akin to saying you prefer apples to oranges because an apple is fruit.

Hahahahahahahha!!!!!! I knew it! lmfao

BM

[GIEFF]

Thanks, Zach. I already know your position on the matter, BM.

Still waiting on Spy, DDD, jammer, and Benmage to explain theirs.



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And KMD, you came in today saying "Cephrir always lurks" - where were you yesterday when that outlook could have helped to stop a mislynch?

[SpyreX]

Both Ceph AND bcc picked up their prods, and neither posted. So you can't use this as a reason to prefer one to apples an apple is fruit.

Lets try this again:

2.) Lynching lurkers that talk to the mod during the night but dont play the game is awesome and I approve. I've even had a lurker I wanted lynched BEFORE and today just makes me rub the belly about it even more.

Now, admittedly, I was wrong about him being scum hiding in your scum shadow.

However, that doesn't change the fact Ceph picked up all of his prods and told the mod he was going to be playing still.

So, would I have been fine with either? Sure.

Was Ceph better? Hoss yes because him being scum meant you were dead to rises the next day.

I'm not sure what you're aiming for asking me the same question again. And the analogy you've opted to use doesn't make sense:

I prefer apples to oranges because I have been on record saying I hate oranges and if we squish the filthy oranges and there is a worm inside I get to squish the filthy lemons too.

Now I'm going to go eat a banana. TAKE THAT SOCIETY

[Yaw]

Vote Count:

blackcatcontract (2): Kmd4390, jammer
SensFan (2): GIEFF, Benmage
Battle Mage (1): alexhans
alexhans (1): Battle Mage
Debonair Danny DiPietro (1): SpyreX

Not Voting: SensFan, Debonair Danny DiPietro, blackcatcontract, Zachrulez

6 to lynch

[GIEFF]

I'm not sure what you're aiming for asking me the same question again. And the analogy you've opted to use doesn't make sense:

Because you didn't answer it. You failed to differentiate between the two. You didn't even MENTION bcc.

And you still haven't told me WHY you hate oranges.

Was Ceph better? Hoss yes because him being scum meant you were dead to rises the next day.

Only because of your earlier guess that I am scum vomit-protecting Cephrir. Which is another example of you assuming Cephrir lurking is scum, but completely ignoring bcc lurking.

And Cephrir flipping town hasn't changed your mind on me at all, has it?


So if the only reason you had to choose Cephrir over bcc was to try to implicate me, then why not just vote me?

[SpyreX]

Because you didn't answer it. You failed to differentiate between the two. You didn't even MENTION bcc.

And you still haven't told me WHY you hate oranges.

Because I've been fine with lynching Ceph since the beginning of the game. Every prod without fail he's picked up. He even talked with the mod at night. And chose not to play.

So, yea, still fine with that not sure what you're aiming for. I was not given the powers to lynch more than one person a day.

Only because of your earlier guess that I am scum vomit-protecting Cephrir. Which is another example of you assuming Cephrir lurking is scum, but completely ignoring bcc lurking.

And Cephrir flipping town hasn't changed your mind on me at all, has it?

So if the only reason you had to choose Cephrir over bcc was to try to implicate me, then why not just vote me?

Yes I am ignoring bcc lurking today. I am. Wait ohh god my quote button its clickkinngggg.

First things first:
Prod: Blackcat

If we follow the mod given business about him being here but not posting lets let the prod do the work. If the prod is picked up and somehow mystically contribution doesn't happen he dies.

Yea looks like I'm ignoring bcc.

Believe it or not its not about you. Cephir was a-grade scummy and if he was scum you getting lynched is simply icing. Delicious icing, but icing nontheless.

I'm really intrigued by this line of hard knocks though. Are you somehow saying that due to "Cephir lurks as town" the powerful meta making that a bad play in any fashion?

Or am I somehow protecting my super-secret scum partner bcc who I said if they don't produce I would willingly lynch?

I have a third more correct theory but that can wait.

[GIEFF]

Every prod without fail he's picked up. He even talked with the mod at night. And chose not to play.

This applies equally well to bcc. I don't think Cephrir was a poor lynch, but I think blindly choosing Cephrir over bcc was bad play. Prior tunneling is NOT a good justification for future tunneling.

I never said you were ignoring bcc today, Spy - that is not relevant.

Believe it or not its not about you. Cephir was a-grade scummy and if he was scum you getting lynched is simply icing. Delicious icing, but icing nontheless.

Ceph-scum implicating me is the ONLY reason you have given for preferring Cephrir to bcc, other than the fact that you had already ignored bcc. So, yes, it IS about me.


I don't know if you are protecting your super-secret scum partner bcc. That is why I am asking questions. I have enough answers from you now, though, Spyrex - I would like to hear jammer, Benmage, and DDD explain their preference of Cephrir over bcc.

[SpyreX]

The hell it isn't relevant?

You're conjecture for bcc over Cephir was based upon Meta in favor of Cephir (which is le bad) and the fact that bcc was replaced.

If BCC getting replaced isn't a function of the game in entirety then the fact Cephir made more sense to me because of "previous day events" sure is.

Ultimately, the question is: what does any of this mean or do or is it posting for posting's sake?

Because if the leadup to all this mess isn't a vote for bcc under some kind of "those people voted for Ceph INSTEAD" then this is all absolute white noise.

More of the same that way back when I said was going to be a scum-move.

[GIEFF]

It means plenty, Spy. Ceph and bcc were virtually identical in terms of scumminess/lurkiness. Yet one of them was quick-lynched, and this person was a townie. There is virtually 0 chance that no scum were on Cephrir's wagon.

So, I think reasons and thoughts from who chose to lynch the townie are VERY helpful.



I want to see Benmage, jammer, and DDD explain their Cephrir votes.

[SpyreX]

Ahhh so its a hindsight gambit I see.

[GIEFF]

Why are you trying to STOP people from explaining their reasoning? I see no possible pro-town motivation to do so.

[SpyreX]

The hell could I STOP them from it?

Really?

[GIEFF]

unvote

vote blackcatcontract

[Benmage]

So, I will ask again - why did you prefer lynching Cephrir to lynching bcc?


Danny, Benmage, jammer, and Zach - please feel free to answer this question, too.

I thought I stated this. But I got a mini town vibe off the limited information Kai presented. It was overall pretty null between the two, would just been happy with a lurker lynch. But I did want to wait for the day prods to go through...gg SF.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I have enough answers from you now, though, Spyrex - I would like to hear jammer, Benmage, and DDD explain their preference of Cephrir over bcc.

I expressed my dislike of some of Cephrir's comments on D1 enough to vote for him; I had no such issue with Kai/BCC.

[GIEFF]

Thanks. jammer?

[Kmd4390]

KMD: That happens when you're playing too much games at a time. I remember you saying you could play 10 games or more at a time. Take a break. Play fewer. But, play!

No, it happens when you misread.

DDD has posted in other places but hasn't even posted to say hi...

Hi.

Really? That's it? Opinions please.

*shrug*

Unvote, Vote: DDD

If

i'm gonna lose this game

, i'm at least gonna lose it to somebody who was TRYING to play.

BM

Charter once told me on AIM that it's usually scum who post first person PoV statements about winning or losing the game. I'm not sure I like the tell, but it was accurate in a few games he referenced. Hmm.

why are you suddenly more active now? The word "bold" is referring to you "coming out of the woodwork" today.

BM

I caught up in most of my games this morning because of a discussion with another game's Mod on AIM that I shouldn't talk about because it references an ongoing game.

"Coming out of the woodwork" meaning posting? Well, I was hanging out with someone over the weekend. It's no longer a weekend. I'm home once in a while.

And KMD, you came in today saying "Cephrir always lurks" - where were you yesterday when that outlook could have helped to stop a mislynch?

I couldn't keep up yesterday.

[Battle Mage]

*shrug*

Unvote, Vote: DDD

If

i'm gonna lose this game

, i'm at least gonna lose it to somebody who was TRYING to play.

BM

Charter once told me on AIM that it's usually scum who post first person PoV statements about winning or losing the game. I'm not sure I like the tell, but it was accurate in a few games he referenced. Hmm.

One suspects that Charter might be wrong.
He's not exactly the Paragon of Mafia Hunters.

BM

[Zachrulez]

*shrug*

Unvote, Vote: DDD

If

i'm gonna lose this game

, i'm at least gonna lose it to somebody who was TRYING to play.

BM

Charter once told me on AIM that it's usually scum who post first person PoV statements about winning or losing the game. I'm not sure I like the tell, but it was accurate in a few games he referenced. Hmm.

One suspects that Charter might be wrong.
He's not exactly the Paragon of Mafia Hunters.

BM

I didn't think much about this originally, but re-reading the paticular comment KMD points out here, I believe it falls under the category of gloating.