Mafia 98 - Apennine Mafia (Game Over)

[alexhans]

EBWOP2: With sugar on top.

[Zachrulez]

Actually, I think I'd rather see what you flip, cause DDD insisted that your gloating wasn't a scumtell.

[alexhans]

sigh...

Zach: Right now... State why you are voting me...

Gloating and defending mastin... Anything else?

[Zachrulez]

sigh...

Zach: Right now... State why you are voting me...

Gloating and defending mastin... Anything else?

Sounds about right?

Want a text wall with about a dozen other weaker reasons?

[Zachrulez]

Punctuation marks are my enemy today.

[alexhans]

No need Zach, just fail again....

You've just acknowledged that you're voting me with one of the lamest cases presented up to date...

[Zachrulez]

No need Zach, just fail again....

You've just acknowledged that you're voting me with one of the lamest cases presented up to date...

Why? Because it's not a long text wall?

Why haven't you even bothered to refute my case? Explain what pro-town motivation you would have had to defend a player who's alignment you're not supposed to know?

Or even attempt to refute my belief that gloating is a scumtell, by showing me a game in which you were pro town where you have done this?

Or you can continue with your current option, flicking the points away categorically dismissing them without actually addressing.

[Yaw]

Vote Count:

blackcatcontract (3): Kmd4390, jammer, GIEFF
alexhans (2): Battle Mage, Zachrulez
SensFan (1): Benmage
Battle Mage (1): alexhans
Debonair Danny DiPietro (1): SpyreX

Not Voting: SensFan, Debonair Danny DiPietro, blackcatcontract

6 to lynch

[alexhans]

Walls of texts have nothing to do with it.

Unlike you. I got a good read on him. I understood his playstyle. It fitted. He jumped in this game with a great deal of energy and a theory. It wasn't strange coming from him. Further posts gave me the same vibe and his ignorance regarding his dangerous position resembled what I had seen in Mini 791 Beard Mafia.

I already told you that gloating is not a scumtell... what else should I do? Not everything depends on meta evidence... I don't recall a game where I gloated like in this one but I've never been as annoyed as I've been here either... People managed to lynch against my wishes TWICE without good enough reasons (specially Cephir's lynch, wich was over in a flash thanks to players like SensFan). I'm entitled to let them know. If you think that's a scumtell then you better throw your mafia scumtell handbook to the can.

You can check a theme game where I strongly defended Firestarter (who ended up being town). That brought me a lot of flak too. The only difference here is that Mastin's defense was much earlier, therefore, I wasn't really sure if he was town, just that the case against him sucked.

[Zachrulez]

Walls of texts have nothing to do with it.

Unlike you. I got a good read on him. I understood his playstyle. It fitted.

He jumped in this game with a great deal of energy and a theory. It wasn't strange coming from him. Further posts gave me the same vibe and his ignorance regarding his dangerous position resembled what I had seen in Mini 791 Beard Mafia.

I already told you that gloating is not a scumtell... what else should I do? Not everything depends on meta evidence... I don't recall a game where I gloated like in this one but I've never been as annoyed as I've been here either... People managed to lynch against my wishes TWICE without good enough reasons (specially Cephir's lynch, wich was over in a flash thanks to players like SensFan). I'm entitled to let them know. If you think that's a scumtell then you better throw your mafia scumtell handbook to the can.

You can check a theme game where I strongly defended Firestarter (who ended up being town). That brought me a lot of flak too.

The only difference here is that Mastin's defense was much earlier, therefore, I wasn't really sure if he was town, just that the case against him sucked.

Nice backtracking. I thought you had a good read on him?

Perhaps you'd like to explain why gloating isn't scummy and why townies are just as likely to do it as scum? Especially in light of the fact that townies are generally more interested in finding scum than they are in ramming it into someone's face that they were wrong about something?

[alexhans]

Sigh... this is were it gets IDIOTIC... I backtrack in a sentence? Nice Misrep then...

Perhaps I don't. Discussing theory when I'm town and DID gloat is outright stupid.

ANALIZE THIS GAME. There has been a lot of fights and flaming. Gloating is only natural. Besides, am I the only one who did a, presumably, anti-town thing? (wich is really not) What about Camn's and Benmage's self-vote?

I'm not interested in proceeding with this discussion seeing you're not interested in objectivity. You claimed you prefered to vote me because DDD had said gloating is not a scumtell... why dont you ask him? How stupid is that? (yes, I know that calling you stupid will cause you to be more convinced to vote me... But, at this point, I don't care. I've never had. As opposed to BM who was always afraid to get painted as scummy)

[GIEFF]

Alex, that wasn't a misrep. At the beginning of the post, you said you had a strong read on Mastin, and later in the post, you said your read was weak. It was a backtrack.

I don't think gloating is a strong scumtell either, Zach.

[GIEFF]

alexhans' scum. vs. town contributions:

[mrow]Game[col]Alignment[col]Posts / Day[col]1,000's of Chars / DayMini 714[col]Scum[col]0.6[col]0.5Open 129[col]Scum[col]2.1[col]1Mini 761[col]Town[col]2[col]1.3Mini 773[col]Town[col]1.2[col]1.2Newbie 744[col]Town[col]0.8[col]0.5Mafia 91[col]Town[col]4.5[col]2This game[col]?[col]3.9[col]3.9

Scum average

[col][col]1.4[col]0.8

Town average

[col][col]2.1[col]1.3

Alex's flurry of activity in this game is largely based on being attacked so much, but I would still call this a mild towntell.

[Zachrulez]

Alex, that wasn't a misrep. At the beginning of the post, you said you had a strong read on Mastin, and later in the post, you said your read was weak. It was a backtrack.

I don't think gloating is a strong scumtell either, Zach.

Then I guess it's going to be an uphill battle to convince you that Alex is the lynch of the day.

Saying you don't think it's a strong scumtell though, would that mean you find it scummy, but just not as scummy as I do?

Cause Alex is making a powerful statement that it is not scummy at all.

[GIEFF]

Mildly scummy.

Then I guess it's going to be an uphill battle to convince you that Alex is the lynch of the day.

I thought you found BM and alex equally scummy? Why do you plan on battling to convince me to lynch alex?

[Zachrulez]

Mildly scummy.

Then I guess it's going to be an uphill battle to convince you that Alex is the lynch of the day.

I thought you found BM and alex equally scummy? Why do you plan on battling to convince me to lynch alex?

I don't have a clear idea who you suspect today at all.

[Zachrulez]

Unless 1689 is stating that you find BM scummier.

[alexhans]

Zach... Why the sudden fervor for my lynch as opposed to BM's?

GIEFF.... By good read I meant that I was right. Not that I was 100 % certain. I had a

correct

read of allignment.

Also, my sample of scum games is very small for you to get much from it. In 714 I was really new to this and open 129 was a very weird and easy game. Situations were different too. For the first games, I had no internet at home so I had a somewhat limited access. Up till now... I had never played just ONE game on MS. I always played more. Therefore, I think my posting amount is a null tell. Not a town tell.

Other than that. My defense of Mastin was legitimate and correct. My gloating is totally understandable. So... Zach hasn't got a case but is acting crazy.

We STILL need input from other players.

Zach 1691: Are you trying to manipulate GIEFF instead of answering why you've seemed to change so much from "I'll go with any bandwaggon on Alex/BM" to "I need to convince people to lynch Alex"?

[Zachrulez]

Zach 1691: Are you trying to manipulate GIEFF instead of answering why you've seemed to change so much from "I'll go with any bandwaggon on Alex/BM" to "I need to convince people to lynch Alex"?

Hey... how many people can we lynch at any given time?

One? ...Thank you.

[alexhans]

AGAIN: Zach, If GIEFF or somebody else votes BM... would you change your vote?
It would be:
BM (2) Alex, Someone else
vs
Alex (2) BM, Zach.

[Zachrulez]

AGAIN: Zach, If GIEFF or somebody else votes BM... would you change your vote?
It would be:
BM (2) Alex, Someone else
vs
Alex (2) BM, Zach.

Someone can certainly feel free to vote Battle mage and find out.

[Zachrulez]

Anyway, what do you have to say about the fact that Battle Mage actually had the gall to say he thought you were town?

[GIEFF]

Yes, I find BM scummier than alex. I think KMD, Spyrex, and Sens are scummy, too. I like my vote on bcc.

[Zachrulez]

Yes, I find BM scummier than alex. I think KMD, Spyrex, and Sens are scummy, too. I like my vote on bcc.

Wouldn't your vote be better served on one of those four than on BCC then?

Just sayin...

[alexhans]

That's not a gall... that's a tactic... Otherwise... how would he explain that he didn't keep pursuing me after each time he unvoted me and voted someone else?

Also, he is justifying my lynch as a policy lynch just in case I remain with him in lylo... Awesome way to lynch a townie and don't be responsible for it.

I also know that I might be wrong... but at this moment, I'm 90 % sure I'm not.