Dichotomafia- Games Over

[Fuldu]

Thanks, ralphm. Do you have any comments on the rest of my analysis/speculation? You're generally a level-headed person and I'd like to make sure there aren't any holes in my theory that I've missed. And, less generously, I'd also like the three other players I think the town should be examining to hash it out amongst themselves. Of Fishbulb, Uraj45, and willows_weep, two are confirmable innocents (Mason and Nurse) unless the third decides to counterclaim. The four of us are who we really need to be looking at at present.

[Fuldu]

Oy! And now I've just noticed that Nanook claimed Seer (Cop) in Village when there's one that's already dead. The most probable answer is that he's lying and either a fourth Werewolf or the posited SK (in which case I'm obviously wrong about the dual nature of the SK and a little less inclined to suspect PB). But this substantially increases the likelihood that there are two scum remaining there and (yoink!) three here.

Since I want to make sure they're at least participating, anyway, if Fishbulb, Uraj45, and willows_weep could all post and simply say Cop or Not Cop (and, I guess, if Cop, give results since we're approaching endgame), without any other claiming, that would help pin down the roles in Village, which helps pin down roles here in Town.

I know these posts have rambled a bit, but there's a lot of information here and I don't feel like we're taking advantage of it.

[ralphmerridew]

With Wacky and MMCL both having investigative roles, I don't think we have any more investigators in town.

[Fuldu]

I agree, but verifying that to a near-certainty is different from believing it to be so. And if you believe that, why didn't Nanook get lynched in Village? The Seer counterpart to MMCL is dead and the counterpart to Wacky is Shaman, but Nanook has claimed Seer. I don't want to get too caught up in the Village roles, but I think that going back and forth between the two games to pin down exactly which roles do and do not exist in the two games is going to help us a lot. Plus, I'm verifiably pro-village in that game, so if we can prove that Nanook is scum, that's going to help me on that end, as well.

[Norinel]

All right, problem solved with sledgehammer. Here's what

really

happened last Night in the Town: (Still no time for deathscenes, but I'll make a darn good one for all this trouble)

PeaceBringer (Roleblocker) - shot Night 5 in the Town

Mgm (Mason) - mauled Night 5 in the Town

It is now Day, 4 to lynch.

So PB is dead, and MoS isn't, and Mgm was mauled instead of shot; the info that had the set of choices I mistakenly entered been resolved, MoS would've died and revealed as a mason, can't be pulled out of the game.

Mod: What is the Village equivalent of Flying Pumpkin?

Asked and answered.

[Mgm]

Damn! I'm still dead.

[ralphmerridew]

Fuldu, you're making me feel like Dave in http://crfh.net/d/19990302.html . I'd been sure for some time that the games only had one scum family each, with no SKs, and you have to go and stoke my paranoia.

[Fuldu]

I'd been sure as well, and the innocence of PB, coupled with the fact that asking for a counterpart doesn't verify the existence of a counterpart, means I really don't know whether I'm right. But I can't come up with another wholly adequate explanation of last night's mauling (which, even after the changes, still occurred). The mauling now lines up with Coron's claimed kill, so the behavior is substantially more consistent with a one-shot vig than it was before. But the form doesn't seem consistent with pro-town to me. I don't know what to think, but am willing to drop it for the time being.

I would still say that, given that the game in Village isn't over, somebody (probably Nanook) is scum there and we still have two scum here. MoS is cleared, and fortunately, would be cleared even without the mod error, since we know there are masons. MoS can clear his partner and the Nurse can be cleared. That's three of seven. I'm inclined to give Coron the benefit of the doubt that the mauling is just the way his single shot works, even if it still makes me uncomfortable. That narrows the field to ralphm, myself, and whichever of Fishbulb, Uraj45, and willows_weep is neither Nurse nor Mason. That doesn't actually seem too bad. I don't know whether Norinel has prodded the three of them (and MoS, since he probably isn't watching this game any more), but I'm happy to wait until they show up and we hear what they have to say.

[Mastermind of Sin]

ummm, claim time....I'm a mason

post more later

[ralphmerridew]

Fishbulb? Uraj? ww?

[Uraj45]

Alright, looks like it is indeed that time.
I'm a cop. My choices (as well as those of my replacement/replacee) have been as follows:
Night 1: Investigate Talitha. No result
Night 2: Investigate Fishbulb. Guilty
Night 3: Investigate Peacebringer. Guilty
Night 4: Didn't get my choice in on time so it was invalidated.
Not very useful, unfortunately, except to indicate the village counterpart.

[Norinel]

I'd talked to Fishbulb on BSW to tell him that the Day had begun, but I'll prod him as well.

willows has been on the replacement list for a while, but I'll start individual solicitations (Which I hate) as the Queue replacement thread hasn't helped any.

[Norinel]

Sigh. willows_weep is to be replaced, Fishbulb is limited access, nobody else is excused from not posting AFAIK. I believe it's just a matter of getting the last couple to check in, but there'll probably be a deadline once they do.

Running down my list of people I might be able to talk into replacing in.

[Coron]

MoS, so who is the third mason?

[Mastermind of Sin]

let's see some claims first...

[ralphmerridew]

Almost everyone has claimed:

Mastermind of Sin (Replacing Flying Dutchman)

claims Mason

Fuldu

claims Townie

Uraj45 (Replacing KingEnigma (Replacing Uraj45))

claims Cop

willows_weep -

???

Fishbulb -

???

Coron (Replacing lulu muumuu) -

claims Vig

ralphmerridew -

claims Townie

[Mastermind of Sin]

interesting...who's been "cleared" by cop investigations?

[Fuldu]

No one has been cleared. At best, it suggests that Uraj is paranoid or insane (his PB result), or that he's scum.

[Fishbulb]

I would have done better leaving my kill on MoS I think I figured out why fishbulb was defending him by the end of the night so I changed my kill.
Fishbulb- third mason right?

Sorry, but no, I'm not a mason.

And no, I'm not going to reveal anything from the Village. It would not benefit us here in the town in the slightest, which is all I'm concerned about. If you want to lynch me for that, then I would question your loyalty to the town as well. Obviously it was not meant to work that way or the first werewolf that died would rat out his gang, and same for mafia.

[Coron]

but you need to claim *poke poke*

[Fishbulb]

Me? Why? *shrug*

Townie, by the way.

[Coron]

So willows is the last mason?

[Fuldu]

And no Apprentice Healer analogue? That's bad, it means they aren't perfectly mirrored setups which throws almost all the logic I've been using out the window.

Also, I've just posted in V/LA about limited access this week, but since this is the game I'm in that's closest to the end, I'm going to try to keep up with this more than the others.

[Mastermind of Sin]

ok, it looks like willows isn't gonna show up soon, and I figured if either was scum they wouldn't try it anyways with me alive. There is no third mason. It was just Mgm and I.

[Mastermind of Sin]

*bump*