MtG: Parallel Universe Mafia (fl's subgame): Game Over

[Porkens]

/confirm

[Porkens]

Even if they are scum, tho...what's the harm to our game (at least in our immediate future)? I'd support throwing DDD (hey nice to play with you btw) into another game. I'd much rather do that than bring BenMage here.

WFT IS GOING ON HERE?

is this a breadcrumb?

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If I were vig, I'd shoot Mufasa.

[Porkens]

I think it would be a sub0optimal lynch. He's straight up told us exactly what he wants. I don't think one action could loose the game for town, from a modifom point of view, so lets just do it.

Also, as I think SpyreX eluded to, we should probably move fast as to not get outpaced by the other games and stuck with all the players we don't want.

I was just being silly about your 'WFT' Taj.

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If I were vig, I'd shoot Mufasa.

[Porkens]

Tajo; I think I'm missing it. Why would having the transporter in SSK's game be cool?

Zito; it seems to me that a neutral faction would not be a threat to the town necessarily. And certainly it would be less of a threat than actual anti-town interests. I stand by my original idea that a DDD lynch is somewhat wasted. I agree with Jammer on this point, apparently.

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If I were vig, I'd shoot Mufasa.

[Porkens]

I'm glad you asked!

First of all; there is plenty to discuss. What do you think of DDD? Do you think he's lying, or do you think he's telling the truth? And, either way, what do you think should be done with him?

After that, why haven't you commented on the situation already? Out of all the things that are going on in the game, you focus on the only part that refers to you, personally.

Finally, to answer your question; the reason I'd shoot you is because you are posting in the game but not contributing the the discussion one way or the other. You are probably feeling pressure to make yourself appear present, but don't want to commit to having an actual opinion. In other words; not scummy enough to lynch yet, because you haven't given enough input to be judged by, but an ideal vig candidate for the same reasons.

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If I were vig, I'd shoot Mufasa.

[Porkens]

Ah simulpost.

I think we

should

send him to the other game, rather than have Benmage sent here. That should have no drawbacks to our game, regardless of whether they are lying or not.

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If I were vig, I'd shoot Mufasa.

[Porkens]

Plus you're taking a leap of faith that nothing bad will happen when we bring these two together.

It does say that win/loose in other games doesn't affect us so what exactly are you worried about?

and is there any part of your previous post that you want to keep true to

Are you trying to call me out on something here? If so, you need to shed a little more light on your accusation because I don't get it as it sits.

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If I were vig, I'd shoot Mufasa.

[Porkens]

If I were vig, I'd shoot Mufasa.

So whats exactly the point in posting this in every post?

Please just think of it as part of my sig.

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If I were vig, I'd shoot Mufasa.

[Porkens]

At this time I am firmly in the camp of those who will not read the other games until it becomes relevant. It is only one big game if X, Y, or Z is true, none of which are apparent to me at this moment.

My psudo-sig is in no way related to my role. I am not being forced to include who'd I'd shoot if I were a vig. It's my personal choice, 100%.

I agree with most of what Yosarian said in 106, with the exception that he seems to be giving a free pass from lynch consideration, based on the claim, to DDD. I'm not pro-that at all. If DDD is scummy, I'll lynch him independent of his claim, and I expect him to play with that in mind.

Mufasa may have had a scum slip in 92, planing to eliminate a player

at night

.

Vote Flava Flave

for his post last page. I feel your vote needs further explanation in light of the win condition. Furthermore; not caught up in a 4 page game feels like a big stretch.

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If I were vig, I'd shoot Mufasa.

[Porkens]

DDD: I like the cut of your jib; "I'm claiming day one so I don't have to play." It's what I would have done.

SpyreX: I'm not sure I want to lynch SP just yet, but color me intrigued.

Yos: I'm torn on your paranoia here. I understand where you are coming from, but I think you are over reacting . I guess it makes sense if you look at UNBREAKABLE as a literal term (Which I assumed it was not).

SocioPath: I'm going to leave my "sig" off of this post, just for you.

There are a couple of boats to jump on to at this point, but, hey; SpyreX, Zito, Yos, and, hell, Mufasa, what do you think of Flava Flave?

[Porkens]

I see what you are saying, but I would give SpyreX the benefit of the doubt on that one.

It could be a scum gambit of some kind, but I strongly suspect that if it is; it's more complicated than creating a soft-voting block on day 1

[Porkens]

Oh god, how did I forget that?

Quagmire: Are you saying that you absolutely KNOW mufasa aint scum?

Spyrex: How can you agree with the above?

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If I were vig, I'd shoot Mufasa

[Porkens]

For me, when someone says, day one, unprovoked "I KNOW he's X," it raises a flag. I didn't ask how he knew, I'm clarifying that it isn't an opinion, but confirmed knowledge.

[Porkens]

For me, when someone says, day one, unprovoked "I KNOW he's X," it raises a flag. I didn't ask how he knew, I'm clarifying that it isn't an opinion, but confirmed knowledge.

Eh...I'm not sure if it's really a good idea to try and clarify that just yet.

That might be true, I guess. I really don't see how I could know either way. My issue is that ther's absolutely no reason to bring that up, even if he does somehow know. Should I just ignore it? I mean, whats the point of saying it if he doesn't expect it to be analyzed?

[Porkens]

Mufasa just posted in SSK's game.



I've got to think of a title for him when this is done.

@Porkens & Tajo = You boys need to join THE ALLIANCE like woah.

Forgot what thread I was in haha

at least it doesnt say in the rulez that you cant post in other subgames

It doesn't?! Can we confirm this?

Checking now. I'm going to say no at the moment though. So if you aren't in this subgame, please don't post in it

[Porkens]

Huh, well, I told you so.

[Porkens]

Are you scum, SpyreX?

[Porkens]

As if you don't know already.

vote: SocioPath

GG

lyncher

[Porkens]

I'd already fulfilled my win condition I mean I just got lazy <SARCASM>

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If I were vig, I'd shoot Flava Flave

[Porkens]

Uh huh, HIDE that power role of yours.

[Porkens]

I'd lynch either of them. I'd be a

little

happier about lynching FF today just to put a monkey wrench into SpyreX's super secret scum plans. But I wont change wagons until it's clear that's where we are going.

[Porkens]

L-2

Why yes. Yes it is

[Porkens]

At least you are willing to affirm over and over again that your win condition sure isn't the same as mine.

You keep talking about your own win condition, and saying that mine is different from yours. I am willing to believe that, because you speak with such certainty, but to imply that your win condition is a town based one and thereby saying mine is not because of how it differs from yours, is a stretch.

I would reeeeeeeally like to see what you would do if you were to switch games. Your whole world would turn upside down. You would be lynched in a second, and then lose your game, because everyone in other games should act like you too, right? You die, they fulfill their win conditions...and so forth. Really, it seems like you are only pushing debates for your own selfish reasons...when you don't actually know how the win conditions are played out.

Those selfish reasons might be SK in nature. Maybe you think that if I am scum...that lynching me will put you in the clear. It wouldn't surprise me at all if you turned up being another elder dragon.

But thats not important right now, because I still find Yos and you to be rather nice-nice to each other in a warped way.

But say what you're implying is correct, about the win con, and that would imply that all town in other games should be treated as scum if they were to show up. They're certainly not of your faction. They are of their own subgames faction. So townies from other games need to die too?

Then that would mean...scum or not, everyone switched needs to die. The whole debate about 'switch scum out and in games to help/hurt the games' would be void. There could be multiple scum groups apart from SKs only. So really...every single person that is switch, would be assumed to be 'scum' to this games win conditions.

That is certainly a xenophobic way to look at things.

That would also mean that everyone by default should support a Budja vote, for he is not one of us.


"ONE OF US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US!"


I don't wish to resort to that yet.

Unvote

for now though, until I see some fanciful Spy-posts in response to these win conditions.

I'd lynch Budja.

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If I were vig, I'd shoot Flava Flave.

[Porkens]

Despite the logic you present, Yos; A vanilla claim isn't worth an unvote.

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If I were vig, I'd shoot Flava Flave

[Porkens]

Good. The only bad part is that we still need 6 for a lynch. Before I did the math, I was hoping that his modkill put us at 5 to lynch.

I do actually think that Sociopath's rant about the unspeakable was too convoluted not to be rooted in a genuine beliefe. Thus;

vote: Flava flave

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If I were vig, I'd shoot Zaz (what else is new?)

[Porkens]

It'll suck so bad when we are the last game running and we still haven't come to a night.

We're over the socio lynch guys, move on to flava flave. any lack of votes at this point will be construed as complicity when he flips scum.

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If I were vig, I'd shoot jammer.

[Porkens]

Ok, since this is probably the only way to get Zaz to play;

unvote; Vote Zazier

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If I were vig, I'd shoot jammer.

[Porkens]

SocioPath is still the play today.

I mean; I'd love to still go for this, but his convoluted defense smacked of genuine confusion rather than masterful gambit. Is there something you could use to convince me?

[Porkens]

unvote, vote flava flave

[Porkens]

Kinda reminds me of the SK in S&S. Member that guy SpyreX?

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If I were vig, I'd shoot Mufasa.

[Porkens]

Not down with Sociopath at the moment.

Me either.

I'll be doing some looking to see if anything stands out.

The same.

[Porkens]

Where's my wrath SpyreX?
I agree with your assessment of Budja, Zaz, and Mufasa. But for me, JAmmer is just townish by comparison. And I really don't agree at all about Quag.

Quag: Can you explain your day one declaration now?

To whoever asked: The Jammer vig is mostly gut at this point.

unvote, Vote: Budja

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If I were vig, I'd shoot Jammer

[Porkens]

Sorry, didn't post for two/three days at MS >.<
Will get at least a bit of analysis done tomorrow as I need to get caught up in my other games as well.

about 72 hours later...

Prodded. Meh, have to catch up in 2/3 more games. So I'll most likely post an analysis of the first ten pages tomorrow.

Works. Unreplaced

Failing to deliver a promised re-read.

Policy lynch, now.

unvote, Vote Zazier

Not for pressure, no escape.

[Porkens]

then be a helper.

[Porkens]

L-1, someone hammer.

I've got something else to say at this moment, but I'll wait till after the lynch.

[Porkens]

<sigh>

If I were vig, I'd shoot Mufasa

[Porkens]

Budja, Quag, Socio, at least argue against the Zaz lynch?!

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If I were vig, I'd shoot Mufasa.

[Porkens]

Sorry, didn't post for two/three days at MS >.<
Will get at least a bit of analysis done tomorrow as I need to get caught up in my other games as well.

about 72 hours later...

Prodded. Meh, have to catch up in 2/3 more games. So I'll most likely post an analysis of the first ten pages tomorrow.

Works. Unreplaced

Failing to deliver a promised re-read.

Policy lynch, now.

unvote, Vote Zazier

Not for pressure, no escape.

[Porkens]

Can I join the unstoppable alliance?

That depends. Are you a bad enough dude to save the president?

I guess we will see.

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If I were vig, I'd shoot Mufasa.

[Porkens]

wooo this going weird places.

I'd love to think Zaz and Mufasa were both scum. But lord in heaven.

ok, pull it together.

[Porkens]

Well, anyway; What I was going to say was: Mufasa's jump onto the wagon was really scummy and coupled with a lunatic comment: "YEAH, MAKE ZAZ POST." Lord in heaven.

Kairyuu, Sajin, I wanna hear what you think about the people in

this

game. fast.

[Porkens]

Why did you filibuster this until after it was too late to do anything?

[Porkens]

Ok ok ok lets get this fucking shit on the road.

Voting block:
Porkens
SocioPath
SpyreX
Jammer
and for the time being Saijin, cause he asked if he could join the alliance.

vote: Quagmire

no; lynching someone who wont replace out AND wont play is not retarded.

[Porkens]

then get put your head on it, cocktease.

[Porkens]

Gut says scum, but if the goal is to win by filling a game and they're taking scum OUT of this game well gg us?

I doubt the swap harmed this game. We didn't lose anyone pro-town.

At this point Quag is the best bet from my perspective.

Through elimination, he is the scummiest anyway.

you're...

not

going to vote for the scummiest person?

[Porkens]

Now wait a minute, Budja; are you seriously saying that Quag isn't lurking?

[Porkens]

What would the Zaz flip tell you about Quag?

[Porkens]

Your defense is insultingly ineffective because since your lynch is not based, for me at least, on activity.

[Porkens]

Easily testable.

unvote; vote: Jammer

Socio: not immediately voting for jammer means that you, too, are scum.

Hopefully that explains why I suddenly thought jammer was scummy today

It certainly helps.

Unvote

[Porkens]

...after unvoting, I mean.

[Porkens]

Victory. Quag, how were we supposed to "get" a cop vibe from you?

[Porkens]

Oh let him answer his own questions, will ya?

SpyreX; wasn't the MUFASA IS NOT SCUM a day 1 assessment?

[Porkens]

Kairyuu all I wanted to know was if you targeted me or not. But if I asked that you would just say no as mafia, so I insinuated that I knew you targeted me to try and catch you as trying to explain it off. You were not acting your normal townie self and you know it. But I think your town, now.

So spyrex- yes I lied in one of my above statements (me knowing kairyuu targeted me). Baring that there is no contradiction. Also I know I was the target of the nightkill last night. Playing my information to the best of my ability spyrex.

So you just guessed he was a PR? You knew he could target but you didn't know who he targeted?

[Porkens]

I love Rhada, sweet card.

[Porkens]

Maybe I'm confused. You said you knew you were targeted last night (and targeted for a kill based on your claimed power). But you had no idea that Kairu targeted anyone. Is that correct?

[Porkens]

Kairyuu all I wanted to know was if you targeted me or not. But if I asked that you would just say no as mafia, so I insinuated that I knew you targeted me to try and catch you as trying to explain it off. You were not acting your normal townie self and you know it. But I think your town, now.

So spyrex- yes I lied in one of my above statements (me knowing kairyuu targeted me). Baring that there is no contradiction. Also I know I was the target of the nightkill last night. Playing my information to the best of my ability spyrex.

So you just guessed he was a PR? You knew he could target but you didn't know who he targeted?

My interpretation is that he thought he had a meta read on me, and since he thought I was scum, he thought I targetted him with the scum NK. He essentially outted a power role over a meta read and a stupid assumption.

@Sajin: Meta reads are shit reasons for making alignment assumptions. I've yet to have the same role twice in games I've played with you, and you've never seen my scum play, so your meta on me is woefully incomplete. Try to think a bit more before making rash assumptions next time.

On the other hand, you're almost definitely not Mafia after this stunt. Could be third party, but I doubt you would throw yourself out there like that as anything but town.

why are you answering questions for him?
why are you having a gigantic tea party together?
why are you declairing, in front of god and everybody "JOO BE SO TOWN FOR THIS SHIT EVEN THOUGH YOU OUTED ME AS A POWER ROLL!"
why don't you just wear shirts that say "I'm with the scum"?

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If I were vig, I'd shoot both of you.

[Porkens]

You wouldn't live very long after my flip if you shot me, and Sajin is pretty much confirmed kill immune, so I guess it's a good thing you're not a vig.

both are really, REALLY sweet reasons why the mafia wont nightkill you tonight. Of course you could have kept that part to yourself and hopefully killed a scum...

[Porkens]

"You wouldn't live very long after my flip if you shot me"

??? I thought you meant you were a bomb or something.

[Porkens]

@Porkens: Huh? How can I kill scum on my own. I targetted Mastin last Night, and he's not dead, so my ability is obviously not a kill. Are you trying to infer that I'm a vig or something?

not that it matters but there's no way to prove this either way sooooooo

[Porkens]

And yes I had no idea. I pressured Kairyuu because I found him scummy.

And porkens- I had reason behind why I asked what I asked. You are just blatantly role-fishing at this point.

hooow do you reconcile these two statements? You were pulling stuff out of your ass, basically, and get on my case when I question it?

[Porkens]

I explained how I thought a certain answer would be scum.

ummm, would that be the answer "I didn't target you"? Cause a vanilla would say that, too.

You go "Ohh no biggie. Just means you can't be scum.

Tea for everyone

."

I loled.

What?

What?

HEY, stop rolefishing.


goodnight.

[Porkens]

In seriousness: Answer my last question, don't pick and choose.

in all seriousness; what question?

[Porkens]

Guys... I'm not a rolecop. I'm an alignment cop.

that's not what my tinfoil hat says, either.

[Porkens]

I'm gunna stop hitting F5 for a while at this point.

See you in the morning.

[Porkens]

-poke-

We cans has daytiem nao?

youd like that wouldnt you

[Porkens]

OT: 4th is such a departure. My gut rebels against it and every time I am reminded of WoW I die a little inside. If you get into all the non-core books and stuff, the character creation and synergy gets quite a bit better. What I do like about it is the scalability of encounters and other challenges. In 3.5 it was always hard to make that level 7 leap and actually fight the monsters, at least for my group anyway.

On-Topic: WTF?

[Porkens]

Hehe our mod sounds like a 3.5 purist but that can be a debate for a different place (note: I did enjoy 3.5 but I love 4.0 and, as a DM, would never want to run 3.5 again)

I figure we have to talk about something else since we're never going to see tomorrow.

meh, it's ok to be wrong.

[Porkens]

<eyes continue to bleed.>

[Porkens]

vote: Quagmire

Better lie the right way. Who did you visit last night?

[Porkens]

I am Touchy McCuddlefeely, good white queen of the white elves, good pro-town townie town.

[Porkens]

I'm waiting for Quag.

If you don't believe me, you can google that shit in the meantime:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sour ... f&oq=&aqi=

[Porkens]

defeeennnnsiiiiveee...

string him up.

[Porkens]

So, yea, Porkens does this mesh with whatever VOODOO you insinuated (hint: real claim too).

It meshes, but I'm not going to full claim until at least 3 people praise me on my funny joke.

[Porkens]

I still think SocioPath is the lynch today. Did you not see me catch the SK?

A rolecop, scum aligned alignment cop, or a lucky guess as scum all could have equally "caught" the SK. I don't know what the effect of your visit to Kuyriuuuu was but it sure seems like you did visit him. But I wonder who you would have said you visited if I hadn't asked...or if you would have given more of a report.

It's a weird game. I'm honestly kinda lost for words/ideas.

Anyway, here's my 'real' claim: Ink Eyes, Servant of Oni. black card. I'm a townie doctor. If someone tries to nightkill my target, I get to redirect the kill to a player in a different game.

night 1 i self-protected and targeted slicy
night 2 i protected quag and targeted mufasa

unvote

budja, claim.

vote: Budja

[Porkens]

scum aligned alignment cop

I guess this role actually wouldn't make much sense. errata that please.



Can we talk about the likelihood of a nightkill-immune player being town aligned?

[Porkens]

Porkens - how do you know who he visted as a doc? Am I missing something?

Sajin - I'm awful lazy, can you repost your claim while we wait for the estranged others.

I've got the beginnings of a plan a brewin, but I want the rest of the claims first.

rolefish moar.

[Porkens]

I agree that

Saijin

is probably not "mafia" but a NK immune town still seems unlikely to me. If one could "nightkill" him and make him someone else's problem, I think that would be best.

Quag

's super not clear for me.

Sociopath

, if scum, is a grandmaster at dancing the Vanilla dance.

SpyreX

spyrex spyrex. my paranoia is setting in. But as of right now I'm still reading town.

Budja's reaction to the massclaim idea, I think, is telling.

unvote; vote Budja

(I'm not a tracker, I was just trying to make Quag slip up with vague threats.)

Weren't you already voting Budja?

[Porkens]

how would you travel to different planes and fulfil your win condition?

[Porkens]

OHH, yes, you are right. I'd happily throw budja out of the game into SSKs if I could, but I can't. so lynching him is the only option I have to fulfill my win condition. QED.

[Porkens]

And, again, OHH SOO SCUMMY I KNOW RITE.

Mufasa is going to get lynched. And soon. I would really love to get this done BEFORE that game has a chance to screw this up.

how could that game screw this up?

[Porkens]

Spy could be lying about the vig thing, but I don't see him claiming the kill if he were

mafia

.

[Porkens]

that makes perfect sense. im 100% behind this wagon now.

lynch budja. at WORST: he's telling the truth and really is a claimed 3rd party that can win with the scum.

[Porkens]

Sajin, I don't think I've ever asked this of anyone before: Are you reading this thread? SpyreX claimed first. 2 pages ago.

This game has not misslynched yet. Are you saying that lynching correctly every night puts us at LYLO on day 3? Does that make sense to you?

Waiting for Budja to get pulled off or pushed off the plane also means waiting for someone else to get shoved here, too.

I agree with SpyreX. It's very possible that all our scum are gone (or were never here and we just had town and a handful of 3rd partiers)

Budja could very well be the reason this game is still going.

Lynch.

[Porkens]

1 - wasnt that the whole hub-ub about rule 1a?

2 - what if budja is lying and is scum and brings another scum here? scum win, that's what.

3 - no, I'm saying that if we wait, we leave open a window for someone to be added. I'd rather not have that happen pre-lynch.

4 - I think kairyu would be an unlikely kill for scum.

5 - join us. you wanted in on the alliance. there is no turning back now.

[Porkens]

I appreciate your voting but let me point out...

BUDJA HAS CLAIMED 3RD PARTY

[Porkens]

Saijin, we lynched a "hitman" day 1
we lynched an "awesome serial killer" day 2

I'm guessing there was never the possibility of 2 night kills.

[Porkens]

If there are no mafia here, and its a 3rd party keeping the game going, then its either Sajin or Budja.

And I believe that Sajin's role is more likely to be that of an SK than Budja's.

Still not behind a Budja lynch. Someone should just throw him into SSK's game, and if he is still around in that game, then its an obvlynch from there.

Vote: Sajin

Sociopath, Budja is 100% a 3rd party. He would be keeping the game going if he were the only one left.

[Porkens]

Sociopath, Budja is 100% a 3rd party. He would be keeping the game going if he were the only one left.

100% Wrong. He said he was a surviver. He'll win with scum or town, whomever is left.

back at you; he's 100% 3rd party and could be lying about winning with whomever.

[Porkens]

unofficial

votecount:

Budja (3) Porkens, SpyreX, Sajin

SpyreX (1) Budja

Sajin (0) SocioPath
Quagmire (0)
Porkens (0)
SocioPath (0)

Not

posting

voting: Quagmire

[Porkens]

Socio, ok, but is budja scummy?

[Porkens]

For someone who can't be nightkilled, Saijin seems really freaked out.

Now do I protect Quag or do I protect myself? Or do I go nuts and protect Spyrex?

Here's this Scum: I absolutely guarantee I will not protect Seijin or Socio. Fire away.

[Porkens]

mmmmmmm I can't waiiiiitt

Hopefully the next 6 days pass quickly!

Or three hours

[Porkens]

Mafia did not try to kill my target.

Vote: Sociopath

[Porkens]

/prenominate Quag and Saijin for best scum (team?) if this is game over.

[Porkens]

waitiiing....omggg

[Porkens]

^^^just excited, not complaining