MtG: Parallel Universe Mafia (fl's subgame): Game Over

[Quagmire]

/confirm

[Quagmire]

Hey sorry I'm late can someone catch me up on the first six pages? Detailed review, thanks.

[Quagmire]

Are we supposed to be reading the other games too? Because I'm sure as hell not going to do that.

[Quagmire]

What's this alliance people are talking about? I must have missed it when I skimmed the thread earlier.

[Quagmire]

Is this alliance actually serious? Are you kidding?

Yosarian who are you voting for? Can you tell me specifically what (or where) your case is on that person?

I'll start substantive posts soon, I promise. I got a slow start to this game due to being V/LA unexpectedly, and I think I'm starting to catch up.

[Quagmire]

Mufasa isn't scum.

[Quagmire]

I'm currently voting for SpyreX, because that whole alliance thing was scummy as hell. I'm currently considering switching over to sociopath, depending on if and how he answers that question.

Vote Yosarian2

this seems way too convenient of a lynch candidate for you.

[Quagmire]

Mufasa isn't scum.

Interesting.

Also Yos this isn't one of my little inane declarations. I'm serious about Mufasa not being scum.

[Quagmire]

Mufasa isn't scum.

Interesting.

Also Yos this isn't one of my little inane declarations. I'm serious about Mufasa not being scum.

Ok. That was me hearing and acknowledging what you were saying, and not probing for any details at this time.

Anyway, quagmire, you should know by now that I would never let anyone get away with acting in a blatently anti-town way like Spyrex was. He's basically backed down from the alliance thing, so now I'm shopping around for a new bandwagon. Any suggestions?

Not as of yet. I didn't get into this game until page 7 -- it was basically like replacing into it a few days ago. I never get the full effect of the game when I replace in until I've been in the game for a little while, you know?

[Quagmire]

I can't quite put my finger on it yet, but Yos I really don't like the way you're using a vote to punish SpryeX for something stupid that he suggested.

[Quagmire]

Quag thinks Mufasa is town. Interesting conclusion, waiting for the explanation.

I won't be explaining this soon... just FYI.

[Quagmire]

yeah

unvote; vote: SocioPath

This is really bad scummy bandwagoning.

[Quagmire]

vote sociopath

[Quagmire]

SocioPath's attempts to distract attention away from his current bandwagon are duly noted. I'm fully confident he's mafia panicking as he tries to get out of his current bind.

[Quagmire]

Also...

I can't quite put my finger on it yet, but Yos I really don't like the way you're using a vote to punish SpryeX for something stupid that he suggested.

Interesting that I vote for you and your response is to lie about my actions and vote me.

And by "interesting", I mean you're obvscum and need to die ASAP.

Replace "SpryeX" with "Flava Flave" and you've got the exact same shady punishment deal going on here... except this time Yosarian didn't vote for him. Something's really really fishy here. I think you're scum.

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Back to SocioPath though for a moment...

I would reeeeeeeally like to see what you would do if you were to switch games. Your whole world would turn upside down. You would be lynched in a second, and then lose your game, because everyone in other games should act like you too, right? You die, they fulfill their win conditions...and so forth. Really, it seems like you are only pushing debates for your own selfish reasons...when you don't actually know how the win conditions are played out.

Those selfish reasons might be SK in nature. Maybe you think that if I am scum...that lynching me will put you in the clear. It wouldn't surprise me at all if you turned up being another elder dragon.

One thing I notice that scum always always tends to do when they're in danger of being lynched is start to panic and overreact whenever there's a point made against them. This is what SocioPath is doing, except there's not even much pressure on him right now -- despite being at L-2 -- because nobody really buys the case or has spelled out their reasons for voting for him yet (at least as far as I've seen). There was still fruitiful discussion going on AND he had the distraction of a new player entering the game so he could have continually played it cool.

I think SocioPath looked at his L-2 number and started to accuse everyone in a loose-cannon kind of way in order to keep the spotlight off of him. He might bring up a couple of good cases here or there, but I think I can see through the transparency.

[Quagmire]

Is the mod like editing posts or something?

If it's in red, it's me

[Quagmire]

Also...

I can't quite put my finger on it yet, but Yos I really don't like the way you're using a vote to punish SpryeX for something stupid that he suggested.

Interesting that I vote for you and your response is to lie about my actions and vote me.

And by "interesting", I mean you're obvscum and need to die ASAP.

Replace "SpryeX" with "Flava Flave" and you've got the exact same shady punishment deal going on here... except this time Yosarian didn't vote for him. Something's really really fishy here. I think you're scum.

Huh? Care to clarify, quagmire? Are you saying spyrex lied in order to find a weak excuse to OMGUS someone? When?

No, I'm talking about the actions you've done in regards to both SpryeX and Flava Flave that I've referenced earlier in this thread. This has nothing to do with either of their actions; only yours.

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Nn...? What the hell just happened? I'm lost.

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also: Mods understand you would be making this an unfair advantage if I didn't get a recap of what happened. It gives other peopel information I won't have.

It's all in red. Reread the past two pages mostly.

[Quagmire]

I still don't exactly understand. Were all those people warned/modkilled because they were discussing the structure of their role PM? Over whether a Kamigawa townie or regular townie meant something? Couldn't the mod just clarify it?

Also why the hell was Yosarian modkilled but the other people weren't? That seems stupid.

Yos' case was more overtly trying to use the PM in a way to apparently get an advantage and "confirm" sociopath. SpyreX and SocioPath were shy of this point.

I'll direct you to rule 0 if you insist on discussing it, and encourage you to approach me by PM with any serious qualms you have with my decision.

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Accusing everyone to keep the spotlight off me? What? What you quoted was refering to Spy, whom, if you read the game at all, I've BEEN ATTACKING.
And yes, I've definitely kept the spotlight off me.

keyword: attempt

Then furthermore, panicked because I was worried about being lynched at that point? Oh yes, I was totally worried that a scum-laden wagon was going to lynch me. Even you said there wasn't much pressure.

I actually enjoyed the wagon on me, and said as much. Wagons get the town info, whether its mine or anyone else's.

I guess I was feigning confidence while at the same time panicking; and throwing accusations at everyone, despite focusing on SpyreX and HIS communications with those around him.

This doesn't make sense and doesn't refute any of my points.

You caught me!
How dare I made valid cases and examples when its obvious you can see through me and my shenanigans, you masterful player, you.

Here is some more flailing for you with my attacking everyone:

Vote: Quagmire

a) Your case isn't valid at all, actually. It's desperate and scummy.
b) OMGUS vote

[Quagmire]

@ quagmire you continue to say he is scummy but no vote

uh, yeah

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 30#1810930

[Quagmire]

SocioPath is still the play today.

[Quagmire]

SocioPath is still the play today.

I mean; I'd love to still go for this, but his convoluted defense smacked of genuine confusion rather than masterful gambit. Is there something you could use to convince me?

I didn't get genuine at all from his confusion. I got guilty and nervous.

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Interesting is that I got another conclusion of his posts. Can you quote what makes you think he is mafia panicking?

Havent you seen townies panick when they are in danger of being lynched?

I already have, and yes, I have. My 6th scumday just came and went. I've been playing for a long, long time.

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@quag, You say SocioPath is the lynch, why aren't you voting?

I am voting for him. Mufasa asked me the same thing not 2 pages ago.

[Quagmire]

Interesting is that I got another conclusion of his posts. Can you quote what makes you think he is mafia panicking?

Havent you seen townies panick when they are in danger of being lynched?

I already have, and yes, I have. My 6th scumday just came and went. I've been playing for a long, long time.

So how can you make the difference between town panicking and scum panicking?

I've seen and played countless of mafia games.

[Quagmire]

Oh we can post during nighttime?

[Quagmire]

Also, Id like opinions on Porkens and jammer, please.

Also this, Quag. I dont think you missed this.

I don't have any thoughts on them either way yet.

[Quagmire]

Interesting is that I got another conclusion of his posts. Can you quote what makes you think he is mafia panicking?

Havent you seen townies panick when they are in danger of being lynched?

I already have, and yes, I have. My 6th scumday just came and went. I've been playing for a long, long time.

So how can you make the difference between town panicking and scum panicking?

I've seen and played countless of mafia games.

So basically I just have to trust your word here or are you going to come up with a valid argument to explain this?

Townies who panic normally try to defend themselves and call the accusations against them baseless. Scum who panic try to deflect attention to other players in hopes that they'll lose attention.

The difference here is that townies don't mind attention, while scum do.

[Quagmire]

vote: SocioPath

Going back on it, I could vote jammer too.

[Quagmire]

Where's my wrath SpyreX?
I agree with your assessment of Budja, Zaz, and Mufasa. But for me, JAmmer is just townish by comparison. And I really don't agree at all about Quag.

Quag: Can you explain your day one declaration now?

Which one?


On another note, I haven't been paying attention to this game to the fullest of my abilities. For that I apologize -- I'll reread the game in the next two days and post my thoughts on anyone of substance.

[Quagmire]

Budja, Quag, Socio, at least argue against the Zaz lynch?!

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If I were vig, I'd shoot Mufasa.

Sum up in one post why we should lynch ZazieR.

[Quagmire]

Sorry, didn't post for two/three days at MS >.<
Will get at least a bit of analysis done tomorrow as I need to get caught up in my other games as well.

about 72 hours later...

Prodded. Meh, have to catch up in 2/3 more games. So I'll most likely post an analysis of the first ten pages tomorrow.

Works. Unreplaced

Failing to deliver a promised re-read.

Policy lynch, now.

unvote, Vote Zazier

Not for pressure, no escape.

Uh... no. Policy lynches day two are retarded. I'm not going to deliver my promised reread until next week --

V/LA this weekend as I'm going to be staying at my parents' house

. Sorry for the delay.

Got it

[Quagmire]

Huh? I go V/LA and you all this I'm mafia for going on vacation? Is this for real?

[Quagmire]

Just fyi... I didn't post in any of my games last night. Only GD. I got home at about 3 and watched 7 episodes of Jericho and posted in GD. Not enough time or motivation to reread the games I was in.

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Your defense is insultingly ineffective because since your lynch is not based, for me at least, on activity.

Are you serious right now? Then why are you voting for me? You're willing to lynch a player who was busy a couple days before going on vacation just for not delivering this? I was unexpectedly busy. RL happens.

Anyways, I guess I'll claim since this awful bandwagon is gonna get me lynched. I'm Kira, the Great Glass-Spinner... I'm an alignment cop. Last night I investigated jammer, and got a guilty. Hopefully that explains why I suddenly thought jammer was scummy today *cough cough*.

[Quagmire]

I can't express enough how stupid this bandwagon was.

vote: jammer

. SocioPath is scum too I'm willing to bet. SpryeX is just a dumb player. Mufasa is town because he's not newb-scum, he's just newb-town.

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Oh my, that was unexpected.

A question.
Why did you vote Sociopath at the start of day, and not me? Makes sense to vote someone you

know

is scum, right?

Because I didn't want to make it glaringly obvious what I was... then the scum would easily figure me out.

[Quagmire]

Also, I wonder how you will explain that you investigated me over sociopath.

Whenever I'm the cop I prefer testing players I don't have good reads on yet instead of ones I find to be likely scum. Especially on night one.

[Quagmire]

Guys... I'm not a rolecop. I'm an alignment cop.

[Quagmire]

I visited Kairyuu.

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... awesome.

Roleclaim.

Why Kai at that juncture?

I've already claimed. I've also already claimed why I choose to investigate the players that I do. Read the thread.

[Quagmire]

Why do people think I'm scum?

[Quagmire]

Nothing gets me hotter than that response. (I forgot about Great Glass-Spinner).

So, based on READING THE THREAD you're saying your role is "Alignment Cop".

Further, you've just inferred that Kai was your least "good read" versus players like Budja who have said very little overall (and been in here longer) and/or Saijin who has a very wacky claim... not counting actually getting a hit on Sociopath (the "scum") when you were outed.

So, yea, Porkens does this mesh with whatever VOODOO you insinuated (hint: real claim too).

Kairyuu is a good player who has burned me in the past and who hadn't arrived ITT until halfway through yesterday. Budja and Saijin we can address later.

I still think SocioPath is the lynch today. Did you not see me catch the SK?

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Quag I want your card with your role name please. You have not already claimed. I am not currently doubting your townness, but I will if you refuse or dodge this.

Hmm perhaps you missed something...

Your defense is insultingly ineffective because since your lynch is not based, for me at least, on activity.

Are you serious right now? Then why are you voting for me? You're willing to lynch a player who was busy a couple days before going on vacation just for not delivering this? I was unexpectedly busy. RL happens.

Anyways, I guess I'll claim since this awful bandwagon is gonna get me lynched.

I'm Kira, the Great Glass-Spinner... I'm an alignment cop.

Last night I investigated jammer, and got a guilty. Hopefully that explains why I suddenly thought jammer was scummy today *cough cough*.

[Quagmire]

Quag- Why did you target who you targeted over other targets?

I've explained this at least twice now, probably three times. I'm not going to repeat myself again here.

[Quagmire]

Sajin is actually town.

I'm inclined to lynch SocioPath today.

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Although Doc results would actually be nice as well.

Yeah...

vote: SocioPath

. Why bring out the doc when it's getting cop results?

[Quagmire]

That's L-1 BTW. Claim.