Newbie 810 - Game over!

[Raskol]

Clarification: I don't mean absolutely right away. It looks like you guys still have things to settle before nightfall, so do that first obviously. But I think we need to commit to a target fairly soon, and that's my suggestion. The actual voting can come as close to the deadline as you like, we just need to make sure we have the votes lined up.

[Riddle]

Sorry I haven't been able to post much lately. I just had a lot to do, but no I should be able to contribute a lot more.

On that note Im going to post analyses on players I find scummy:

Geekalicious

2nd on TFGM bw.
2nd on the Blue Raven Bandwagon
tries to justify his misquoting of 12Keyblade
Tries to carry the Blue Raven bandwagong by suggesting Blue saw a poll about

scum

mistakes
Another mis-quote and joins the Zach bw
possible KittyMo biddying

Scumminess (ourt of ten): 7.5

reverendpsycho/Monsieur/Raskol

Geekalicious

Puts suspicion on like 4 different people in 2 relatively short posts
His only post in like 2 weeks

Monsieur

places suspicion on Kitty, because she didnt find a joke vote scummy
Joins the geek bw?
plays the I'm a newb card for no reason
poses a question and then doesnt give geek a chance to answer it
posts an analysis with no content
Has some pressure on him than asks for a replacement?

Raskol

Accuses ronnie without posting notes
changes vote after he realizes he can't get ronnie lynched?

Scumminess (out of ten): 6

These are the two people I find most suspicious. I'm going to go ahead and

Vote: Geekalicious

, because he seems more scummy to me.

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[Riddle]

EBWOP: Sorry about the fail formatting. I forgot to preview. Here are the fixed links:

2nd on the Blue Raven Bandwagon

and

accuses ronnieroo of defending herself

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

~36 Hours to Deadline

Vote Count

BlueRaven - 1 (geekalicious)

geekalicious - 2 (12Keyblade, Riddle)

Riddle - 1 (Raskol)

Not Voting - 3 (BlueRaven, KittyMo, ronnieroo)

4 to Lynch.

Deadline

is the end of Sunday, August 9 (Eastern, GMT - 4).

[geekalicious]

To put my thoughts out there (and I know this is going to sound.... odd) but I actually think that I'll make a good lynch candidate for today. The thought has been pressing at the back of my mind for a while, and here's why:

On several things such as the following that Riddle listed (I cleaned up the botched urls in it for the sake of clarity):

2nd on TFGM bw.
2nd on the Blue Raven Bandwagon
tries to justify his misquoting of 12Keyblade
Tries to carry the Blue Raven bandwagong by suggesting Blue saw a poll about scum mistakes
Another mis-quote and joins the Zach bw
possible KittyMo biddying
accuses ronnieroo of defending herself

I cannot defend myself on. Being second on both of the above wagons was something that I in retrospect did too hastily. As I noted later in the thread when being questioned by Monsieur, I should have waited until I gathered more evidence rather than pressure voting the offenders for one scum tell.

On the point with 12Keyblade misquoting, I'm not really seeing how I did that. On the Zachrulez misquoting, yep, I'll admit that I did misquote though it was accidental. I had plenty other quibbles with Zachrulez that I wouldn't have needed to misquote him to build a case. However, looking at the incident from a third person perspective, I can definitely see the scumminess in the action.

KittyMo buddying? Still not seeing that one. I only stated that I saw her case as more coherent.

As far as accusing ronnieroo of defending herself goes, I can see how I may have been too harsh on her from a third person perspective. However, for a person to only post to defend themselves when they've spent the entire game just casting out suspicions and not actively following up those suspicions with active scum hunting looks wrong to me. Obviously, she's capable of posting more than she does.

So, all in all, I think I'm a good lynch candidate for today. If I were through some miracle to survive into Day 3, I know that I would be too easy of a target then for all the stupidly newbish things I did on Day 1 that I can't defend myself on. At least with me out of the way today, that'll clear the air a bit and prevent a bad Day 3 mislynch from occuring.

[geekalicious]

Geekalicious

Puts suspicion on like 4 different people in 2 relatively short posts
His only post in like 2 weeks

BTW, Riddle, I'm pretty sure that you meant reverendpsycho there, not geekalicious.

[BlueRaven]

Crap, we only have 2 days. I will most definitely be paying attention.

BlueRaven's refusal to answer my question for him is also noted. It really seems like he's trying to get away with saying as little as possible.

um.... what was your question?

Here.

i think there are 2 options to us.

1) we quickly lynch someone asap and hope we have no regrets.
2) we just leave today's lynch as no lynch and risk the loss.

presonally i think we should do the second but im not sure who i should vote, either geek or riddle...

[BlueRaven]

i ment the first not the second. XD

[ronnieroo]

Roskel what exactly makes you less suspicous of me?

Geek I personally think that if you're town you're never a good lynch target if you're town, even if you're the most unhelpful townie on the planet I would rather lynch mafia (If you are town, not saying he is town). The way I look at that you're either a townie thinking that with you gone finding the mafia will be easier (Which if you are town it may or may not be. It's still a townie lost. (I say a townie lost because I'm thinking the cop or doctor would not say they were a good target for lynching. Right now I'm thinking Geek is either a townie or mafia)), or a mafia player trying to look like a townie hoping to throw off votes. Right now I'm leaning towards the last option.

Right now I'm leaning towards Geekalicous or riddle (because of illini and kraut), though because I am suspicous of Riddle I hesitate to put my vote on the same person as him.

Considering the approaching deadline, I'm going to go ahead and go with my gut and

vote:Riddle

.

[geekalicious]

Geek I personally think that if you're town you're never a good lynch target if you're town, even if you're the most unhelpful townie on the planet I would rather lynch mafia (If you are town, not saying he is town). The way I look at that you're either a townie thinking that with you gone finding the mafia will be easier (Which if you are town it may or may not be. It's still a townie lost. (I say a townie lost because I'm thinking the cop or doctor would not say they were a good target for lynching. Right now I'm thinking Geek is either a townie or mafia)), or a mafia player trying to look like a townie hoping to throw off votes. Right now I'm leaning towards the last option.

Zachrulez, xRECKONERx, 12Keyblade, Riddle, BlueRaven, you, Monsieur/reverendpsycho players and now KittyMo have all found me suspicious. Honestly, looking at it from an objective perspective, I don't see how I'd make a bad lynch target if you don't know my alignment.

[BlueRaven]

the more i think about it the more i become suspective, on page 26 raskol finds ronnie scummy as hell enough to vote for her. But by page 27 people such as me and key think that she is townie and defend her. In his head raskol may of thought that this would eventuallly vilanise him, so he quickly changes his vote to someone who is more scummy-ish. i think he's is a nwb scum.

vote: raskol

and geek you should always defend till the end, i was reminded of this when i was on death row...

[12Keyblade]

Well, Kitty is the only one that hasn't voted yet, and we have a problem.

Votes:

geekalicious: 2 (12Keyblade, Riddle)
Riddle: 2 (Raskol, ronnieroo)
Raskol: 1 (BlueRavne)

Problem!

[BlueRaven]

may i also add, my vote will stay there for tonight but on the last day if we arnt going to get a lynch in and someone is on L-1 i WILL hammer them.

[KittyMo]

At deadline, ½ the original number of votes will be required for a lynch. In the case of a tie, the person who first received the required number of votes will be lynched. If this number is not met, a No Lynch will occur. There will be no reduced number of votes in LyLo.

It's 4 to lynch, so we're actually OK right now. I think Geek is going to be lynched at the deadline, since he's got the required number of votes and got them before Riddle did. So, we're not going to be stuck no lynching. *sigh of relief*

Um, so what happens now? How do we officially decide between Riddle and Geek? How is roleclaiming going to work?

I'm really having trouble deciding here. If I had to choose right now, though, I'd vote for Riddle.

[12Keyblade]

At deadline, ½ the original number of votes will be required for a lynch. In the case of a tie, the person who first received the required number of votes will be lynched. If this number is not met, a No Lynch will occur. There will be no reduced number of votes in LyLo.

It's 4 to lynch, so we're actually OK right now. I think Geek is going to be lynched at the deadline, since he's got the required number of votes and got them before Riddle did. So, we're not going to be stuck no lynching. *sigh of relief*

Um, so what happens now? How do we officially decide between Riddle and Geek? How is roleclaiming going to work?

I'm really having trouble deciding here. If I had to choose right now, though, I'd vote for Riddle.

I say (if he agrees) we have BlueRaven hammer who you vote for after they both claim, people talk, etc.

[KittyMo]

Pros of a deadline lynch:
~ Discussion lasts for the longest time possible
~ No risk of an accidental hammer

Cons of a deadline lynch:
~ Tomorrow it will be harder to analyze the votes of the winning bandwagon
~ Some people feel it's against the spirit of the game

So, it's a double-edged sword. I don't really care whether we let the deadline automatically lynch someone, or if we do a normal lynch.

[BlueRaven]

so then, shall we start with the role claim? even though i think this is pointless, cus they'd say that they are town instead of scum (like who'd admit to being scum appart from TFGM). even if they said that they were a power role for town, then if someone else is a power role then they'd know that u were speaking balls. but go ahead, do the roleclaim anyway.

[geekalicious]

Role claim? Townie. Though, like BlueRaven said, I don't see why anyone would claim scum.

[BlueRaven]

any power role or just vanillia?

[geekalicious]

any power role or just vanillia?

Just vanilla.

and geek you should always defend till the end, i was reminded of this when i was on death row...

I agree that I should continue defending myself. However, it's pretty much not doing me any good at this point because of the indefensible things I did on Day 1 that keep coming up again and again. I'm very frustrated at this point in the game... I hate having the sensation that I'm backed into a wall.

[KittyMo]

Well, if you're a townie, even if you feel frustrated and backed into a wall, you must do what you can to help the town. Zach's refusal to defend himself at the end just ended up hurting the town, but the cases he made on people still live on for us to look at and use. So, if we decide to lynch you over Riddle, and you're a townie, please give us all the information you can.

[BlueRaven]

what happens if the ammount of scum is equil to the ammount of town?

i made this little diagram showing the possible destinies of this game cus i was feeling a little bored.

start of day 2

town1
town2
town3
town4
town5
town6 dead
town7 dead

scum1
scum2

start of day 3 (poss.)

town1
town2
town3
town4
town5 dead (NKed)
town6 dead
town7 dead


scum1
scum2 dead (lynched day 2)

end of day 3

town1
town2
town3
town4
town5 dead
town6 dead
town7 dead


scum1 dead (= we win)
scum2 dead

or

town1
town2
town3 dead (NKed)
town4 dead (lynch day 3)
town5 dead
town6 dead
town7 dead

scum1
scum2 dead

move onto day 4

make or brake, if we lynch town we lose, lynch scum we win.

OR

(and this is a big or going bk to day 2)

start of day 3

town1
town2
town3 dead (NKed)
town4 dead (lynched day 2)
town5 dead
town6 dead
town7 dead

scum1
scum2

this is the equil point, it only takes 2 to lynch so if a scum votes for 1, the other will follow suit and there is a lynch and nothing can stop them.

[KittyMo]

Well, here's the updated unofficial vote count.

Unofficial Vote Count (~28 hours):

geekalicious: 2 (12Keyblade, Riddle)

Riddle: 2 (Raskol, ronnieroo)

[alliteration!]

BlueRaven: 1 (geekalicious)
Raskol: 1 (BlueRaven)

4 to lynch (2 to lynch at deadline)

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Well, this is the most messed up vote count I've ever seen that close to the deadline, lol. Well, at least we're not going to no lynch.

[BlueRaven]

so we need to be 100% sure on who we lynch or there could be that dificulty,

i also just thought about if the 2 town worked out who the 2 scum were and made their own co-oridinated attack b4 the scum did. but that is unlikely in my opinion.

[KittyMo]

OR (and this is a big or going bk to day 2)

start of day 3

town1
town2
town3 dead (NKed)
town4 dead (lynched day 2)
town5
town6 dead
town7 dead

scum1
scum2

this is the equil point, it only takes 2 to lynch so if a scum votes for 1, the other will follow suit and there is a lynch and nothing can stop them.

Town5 wouldn't be dead...and on Day 3, it takes 3 to lynch, and if it's a LyLo Day3, there's no lowered # of votes.

But, yeah, that is pretty scary that the scum can completely control who gets lynched today if the town isn't careful. :s