Mafia 98 - Apennine Mafia (Game Over)

[SpyreX]

I've already done that. More than once. We have no need to retrample old ground.

[Zachrulez]

Why aren't you voting BM? Do you want to oblige others to vote who you are by saying you're set?

I'm not keen on a Battle Mage lynch anymore. One of the biggest sticking points against him in my eyes (The reasoning for believing BCC town) was explained.

I also find Sensfan and Spyrex scummier than pretty much everyone else right now.

[Battle Mage]

im happy with my vote.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

DDD and Sens - have either of you made a case on anybody this game?

A full case? Probably not, I usually put those together after an ISO read and an ISO read of anyone besides me in this game sounds about as fun as a transcranial lobotomy.

[GIEFF]

A full case? Probably not, I usually put those together after an ISO read and an ISO read of anyone besides me in this game sounds about as fun as a transcranial lobotomy.

[distancing]But this was NOT the case for most of this game. Early on, you had plenty of opportunity to try to make a case with much shorter iso-reads, but you didn't. And you don't have to read an entire iso to make a case. So I don't buy your excuse.[/distancing]

unvote

vote sensfan

[Yaw]

Vote Count:

SensFan (4): Benmage, Vi, Zachrulez, GIEFF
Battle Mage (3): alexhans, Kmd4390, Debonair Danny DiPietro,
Debonair Danny DiPietro (2): Battle Mage, SpyreX
Benmage (1): SensFan

Not Voting: jammer

6 to lynch

[Vi]

Any sympathy I'm tempted to have for SensFan is completely undone by his vote lingering on Benmage, who is pretty much obvTown - if going about his wagoning the wrong way.

jammer is a key piece of the puzzle and his absence bothers me.

I think I'm missing something I asked Kmd and didn't think of the last time, but the lack of him is also disturbing. I'd definitely like to know if that vote analysis is a paper tiger - I remember his Battle Mage vote (which he based on said vote analysis) was justified by something else entirely when I asked.

GIEFF's wrongness would be incredibly scummy if he were not consistently wrong in more or less the same manner for over 90 pages.

I wonder how many of us are Town arguing each others' character flaws

ad infinitum

? We have GD for that.

[GIEFF]

What am I wrong about, Vi?

[SensFan]

So I read this game. Then I made a post. The combined assault on Benmage, GIEFF, and alex probably would have gotten me banned.
So I edited the post. It was probably still banworthy.
So I erased the post, and started again. Still banworthy.
So I erased the post and decided to only talk about stuff that won't involve me getting banned.

Voila.

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See you all in at least a couple of days. I need to get away from this game.

[GIEFF]

Ah man, I didn't use to be the target of your assaults. Is it personality- or game-related?

[Vi]

What am I wrong about, Vi?

Should we start with your recent votehopping?
Or the case on Kmd that I've been saying wasn't worth much for a while now?

The general methods of scumhunting you have used throughout the game have been the same and have been applied to more or less everyone, unless I'm mistaken. In addition, the scummy things you have done during the game have been fairly consistent. That strikes me as genuine. Ergo, you win a pass.

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I retract my earlier statement at the end of 2281 on condition that Yaw rename this thread "General Discussion Mafia".

[GIEFF]

Vi:

I attack just about everybody. It is my playstyle. I do it because it gives the best reactions. At no point today did I want to lynch KMD. I vote-hop because it gives reactions. I always have to balance how scummy my play is perceived with how much information "scummy" behavior can give me.

[SpyreX]

... did you just "lol, reactions" the majority of your play this game?

That didn't just happen.

[GIEFF]

It's worked pretty well in the past.

[SpyreX]

So why not parse out what this game is "lol, reactions" and what was actually "hay this is me, being town, doing things I believe in"

[Vi]

@mod: Please prod jammer

[GIEFF]

So why not parse out what this game is "lol, reactions" and what was actually "hay this is me, being town, doing things I believe in"

It's not really doing this I don't believe. For example, I really did think KMD acted scummy. I could have just kept my vote on whomever I wanted to see lynched, but by making a case and switching a vote, we learned a LOT. Scum aren't usually run up to L-1 that quickly, and the people who jumped on that wagon late (especially you) just earned some scumpoints.

Another example is the vote-swapping test with alex to see how far he would go to stop a Mastin lynch.

This is a mountainous setup. We don't have any power roles to help us, so stuff like that is more important.



I don't really believe any of that, I'm just seeing how you'll react to it.

[Zachrulez]

I am re-examining the kmd wagon.

Trying to get a handle on the order of the run-up, and where the votes are now.

[Zachrulez]

So why not parse out what this game is "lol, reactions" and what was actually "hay this is me, being town, doing things I believe in"

It's not really doing this I don't believe. For example, I really did think KMD acted scummy. I could have just kept my vote on whomever I wanted to see lynched, but by making a case and switching a vote, we learned a LOT. Scum aren't usually run up to L-1 that quickly, and the people who jumped on that wagon late (especially you) just earned some scumpoints.

Another example is the vote-swapping test with alex to see how far he would go to stop a Mastin lynch.

This is a mountainous setup. We don't have any power roles to help us, so stuff like that is more important.



I don't really believe any of that, I'm just seeing how you'll react to it.

Do you think it would be pretty safe to say that there was scum on the KMD wagon?

[GIEFF]

Almost certainly.

[Zachrulez]

Next question is if there was scum on the KMD wagon, how many are there?

Order of wagon:

Gieff: Case on KMD and vote
Vi: Agrees with case and vote
Sens: Votes, asserts agreement with case
DDD: Votes, asserts agreement with Sens
Spyrex: Resigns to lynch and sets up conditions for Gieff lynch the next day

Oh, and also...

Unvote: Vote: Spyrex

I think it would be crazy to believe that Vi, Sens, and DDD could possibly all be scum together.

[GIEFF]

I also think it's also almost certain that at least one scum was OFF the wagon, Zach. Vi, Sens, and DDD not all three being scum does NOT imply Spy-scum.

[Zachrulez]

I also think it's also almost certain that at least one scum was OFF the wagon, Zach. Vi, Sens, and DDD not all three being scum does NOT imply Spy-scum.

No, but his resignation is unique to all the other votes.

[Zachrulez]

Anyway, your reaction to my vote is interesting.

So now I might as well ask, what do you think of my Spyrex vote? You seem to be giving off the impression that you think it's a bad vote.

[GIEFF]

I think it's a fantastic vote. I was just correcting what I perceived to be faulty logic.

When you said:

I think it would be crazy to believe that Vi, Sens, and DDD could possibly all be scum together.

It looked like you were implying that if one of those three are town, then Spy must be scum, but this isn't true at all. It doesn't mean your other reason is poor.