Mafia 98 - Apennine Mafia (Game Over)

[Benmage]

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@Benmage

Benmage: What do you think about Battle Mage?

He’s not as good of a mage.

WTF man... I've contributed a great deal to this game and people kept complaining about the lenght of my posts... I've shortened them as you did and was a bit budy this last couple of days. BUT, listen well, I've MADE my thoughts really clear. I WANT Battle Mage lynched.

I said as of late boss. Which is true. So ease of the throttle and chill.

Yeah I saw 2199 Zach...the dude has a plethora of inconsistencies/unhelpfulness/scumminess. How he is still alive is beyond me.

Ask that SAME question about Battle Mage. Honestly.

…So you agree SensFan is scummy as hell…vote him plz.

Either way, its obvious how far better off the Town would be if Sens had been, or will be, killed.

Moment of silence... *slow-clap*... QFT.

Hypocrite.

Not five posts ago, you agreed with Zach that I was scummy for assuming I wouldn't be killed. Now you're giving me a sarcastic clap in that you know how better off the Town would be if I was killed, which means you know as well as I do that I won't be killed.

Scum hypocrite.

Unvote, Vote: Benmage

WHERE'S YOUR F%•&% CASE oh almighty mafia player who has yet to show he has THE supreme skills?

I’m confused here. Are you cursing at me or SF? Because all I was doing was trying to ask SF a question. Which he couldn’t answer. I knew this, but I wanted him to admit that he failed to play this game to the standard that he himself believes mafia should be played. That is all.

@Those voting SF or DDD

are you willing to vote for the other? It seems as if we are divided on two very similar people. Much like we did between Bcc/Ceph. Let's just join one wagon and be done with it.

This is Bullshit man... We can't just join whoever has more votes... the same happened with the Cephir waggon an he flipped town.

We need to get scum.

I agree. Vote SensFan.

[Zachrulez]

I think it's a fantastic vote. I was just correcting what I perceived to be faulty logic.

When you said:

I think it would be crazy to believe that Vi, Sens, and DDD could possibly all be scum together.

It looked like you were implying that if one of those three are town, then Spy must be scum, but this isn't true at all. It doesn't mean your other reason is poor.

I probably should have put more thought into that when I wrote it.

The general feeling I was trying to convey is that I don't see it likely that any of those 3 are paired with each other as scum.

[Zachrulez]

Hey Benmage, what do you think of my bandwagon commentary on 2295?

Can you understand my reasoning? What do you think of it?

[Benmage]

Hey Benmage, what do you think of my bandwagon commentary on 2295?

Can you understand my reasoning? What do you think of it?

Give me a sec to catch-up need to run to the bank. And i left off after alexhans post.

[SpyreX]

A wonderful analysis except for, surprise, you leave the GIEFF / DDD pairing out of it if you were so sure there was scum on that wagon.

Not really surprised though.

[alexhans]

Not much time...

Benmage... That SF quote was directed to SF, not you.

[Zachrulez]

A wonderful analysis except for, surprise, you leave the GIEFF / DDD pairing out of it if you were so sure there was scum on that wagon.

Not really surprised though.

I never actually ruled out that pairing did I? Didn't you think I was paired with DDD a while back? Are you implying that you think DDD/Gieff/myself are the scumteam?

[SpyreX]

Gieff: Case on KMD and vote
Vi: Agrees with case and vote
Sens: Votes, asserts agreement with case
DDD: Votes, asserts agreement with Sens
Spyrex: Resigns to lynch and sets up conditions for Gieff lynch the next day

Oh, and also... Unvote: Vote: Spyrex

I think it would be crazy to believe that Vi, Sens, and DDD could possibly all be scum together.

I never actually ruled out that pairing did I? Didn't you think I was paired with DDD a while back? Are you implying that you think DDD/Gieff/myself are the scumteam?

Considering that, you didn't even mention GIEFF as a possibility then yes you "ruled out that pairing".

DDD is scum. At least one of you and GIEFF is scum with him. All three of you being scum together would make sense but that'd be almost too damn easy.

There, no implications, all spelled out all nice and clear.

[Zachrulez]

So, if you're confident in that, why would you be willing to lynch KMD?

[GIEFF]

Zach was analyzing how the wagon ran up to L-1 so quickly.

I was the initiator of the wagon, so of course I was not part of that analysis.


KMD - what are your thoughts on how quickly the wagon built up on you?

[jammer]

Forgive me, DDD...

I'll consider it.

Unvote; Vote: KMD

What the Senators' fan said.

I do not like this bandwagoning.

DDD mentions KMD even less... He's only in a 50-50 % pool of 4 people in wich 2 are supposedly scum (with jammer, SpyreX and BCC)

Seems like decent enough odds to me. Couple that with GIEFF's 2048 and add that to the very basic bandwagon = more information hypothesis and it looks and feels like a solid vote to me.

I do not agree with this reasoning at all. Rather weak to put anyone that close to a lynch.

It bothers me that SpyreX is doing his best to carve out a difference between myself and Sens, seems like he’s digging for whatever extremely weak justification he can find to support my lynch and not that of Sens. If we could actually get the SpyreX lynch that I’d like and he flips scum I’d have to re-evaluate my stance on Sens.

How is it scummy to look for a difference between 2 players who ¨lurk¨? You find yourself completely equal to SF?

Furthermore, such analysis only looks at whether a lynch is easy, not whether it's good. I'm much more concerned with someone pushing for bad lynches then someone who has or accepts good reasoning as a reason for their vote.

Finally, it also only looks at whether a lynch is easy, not whether it's consistent with the player's gameplay. Again, another issue which I generally believe to be a more pressing concern.

1) I find going for easy lynches somewhat scummy.
2) I can not really say being consistant is a ¨towntell¨.
3) Going for bad lynches is scummy indeed, agreed.(I found the lynch you followed bad).

Vote: DDD

[SpyreX]

Because I could be wrong? And if I was wrong about the triumvirate KMD flipping scum would go a long way to exonerating GIEFF in my mind?

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Being the initiator of a wagon doesn't mean that you are not part of how it got to L-1. This is like backwards ALL THE HAMMERERS FAULT talk.

[GIEFF]

jammer, why are you focusing on DDD's "bandwagoning" L-2 vote, but completely ignoring Spyrex's L-1 vote?

Being the initiator of a wagon doesn't mean that you are not part of how it got to L-1.

But how it got to L-1 isn't the point - the point is how QUICKLY it got to L-1.

[SpyreX]

Yes but how in the blue blazes does that mean you aren't culpable?

If GIEFF-scum makes a case and town pick up on it then your partners bend it WHAM we have us an L-1 wagon.

Thats not a difficult undertaking in normal times. In this game, even less.

[Zachrulez]

jammer, why are you focusing on DDD's "bandwagoning" L-2 vote, but completely ignoring Spyrex's L-1 vote?

Very good question.

Being the initiator of a wagon doesn't mean that you are not part of how it got to L-1.

But how it got to L-1 isn't the point - the point is how QUICKLY it got to L-1.

And how easily he was willing to just push the lynch through.

[GIEFF]

unvote

vote spyrex

But if he flips scum, WE'RE LYNCHING ZACH NO QUESTIONS ASKED.

[GIEFF]

er.... if he flips town.

[Zachrulez]

Yes but how in the blue blazes does that mean you aren't culpable?

If GIEFF-scum makes a case and town pick up on it then your partners bend it WHAM we have us an L-1 wagon.

Thats not a difficult undertaking in normal times. In this game, even less.

You act like I didn't question him on why he stayed on the wagon when it build up steam.

[Zachrulez]

unvote

vote spyrex

But if he flips scum, WE'RE LYNCHING ZACH NO QUESTIONS ASKED.

Why the need for the chain lynching comment?

[GIEFF]

Because you were the first vote on the wagon. You are fully culpable for any future actions. That'll teach you to scumhunt and try to make new cases.

[Zachrulez]

Because you were the first vote on the wagon. You are fully culpable for any future actions. That'll teach you to scumhunt and try to make new cases.

I'm as responsible for my own vote as you are of yours.

I can understand finding me suspicious if Spyrex were to flip town, but to make a chain lynching comment like that is strange, because it's presuming a hypothetical situation with the assumption that I would not be nked.

[GIEFF]

It was sarcasm, Zach... I don't think he'll flip town anyway, so you're safe.

[GIEFF]

I should have said *sigh* first so it was clearer.

[Zachrulez]

I am bad at recognizing sarcasm.

I tend to assume everything written is serious unless otherwise indicated.

[SpyreX]

Its le sigh get it right.

And yea I'd sure said "never make any cases ever."

Not: If you think a wagon has scum on it you are not cleared because you started a case they jumped on.

Come on where's your bro with his snipe-vote. Lets make this as obvious as possible, no?