Mini 815 - Lazy Neighborhood Mafia (Game Over)

[Iecerint]

Nonvoters -- put a vote somewhere.

Zwet, claim.

[Y]

Y, don't you think SSK followed Sajin a little blindly on Day 2?

No. Nothing like that occurred to me.

When I said "caught up" I was thinking about the Sajin-Falko-SSK love triangle. I also do believe SSK's intentional fake vote (I've seen it done on purpose before, and his reaction to the mod got me thinking that's what he was doing even before he admitted it). The SSK-ZA interaction seems to me like two townies yelling at each other, each trying to be louder. Nothing scummy.

@ Sajin: I think K7 would be policy. Zwet isn't.

I'd like point out that if zwet turns out scum, Sajin is probably too. Didn't like the way he was trying to move the lynch from zwet at the last moment. And I had my suspicions D1.
Zwet being town doesn't contradict it though.

[Sajin]

Well considering zwett got these votes cause he voted me among other things and he was ratcheted up very fast I think he is town.

I think the lynch shifted to zwett at the last moment.

Iec have you figured out what I was doing with the PMs that got posted yet?

[Iecerint]

I agree with Y that K7 would be a policy lynch and zwet isn't. I agree with Sajin that it is possible that SSK is scum, but I don't think it's any better a case than zwet's. There certainly isn't time to shift everyone over there in the next few hours, either.

Sajin, I can think of some contexts where those kinds of PMs might make sense, but I'm not sure which context applies here. I haven't quite figured it out.

[Iecerint]

EBWOP: My question to Y should have been "don't you think SSK followed Sajin a little blindly on Day 1."

[Tarballs]

Exactly one hour until deadline.

[Sajin]

unvote; vote Zwett

[Tarballs]

6th Vote Count of Day 2

5 - zwetschenwasser

(ZONEACE, Y, MafiaSSK, Iecerint, Sajin)

1 - Sajin

(zwetschenwasser)

3 - Not Voting

(falkomagno, killa seven, DraketheFake)

zwetschenwasser,

Lazy Townie

, has been lynched Day 2.

It is now Night 2. If you have a night action, send it to me via PM before the deadline, or you will not act this night.

Night 2 will end August 24th at 12 PM (GMT).

This is the neighborhood at the start of Night 2. You can talk with both of your neighbors during the night.

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            killa seven --------------- Y
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           Sajin                            \
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     falkomagno                                 |
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     MafiaSSK                                ZONEACE
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           DraketheFake ------------ Iecerint

[Tarballs]

Another night passes and another townie bites the dust.

ZONEACE,

Lazy Gunsmith

, shot Night 2.

It is now Day 3. With 7 alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch. Deadline for this day is September 11th.

[Y]

ZA is dead. That was expected.

I believe Iecerint is town, so not many people left.

Here's two PMs I got from Furry that I'd like to share:

I'd say Saijin is a good candidate to be scum with Drake and Zaik (If distributed evenly), but that would be too easy to break. K7 or Super seem reasonable too.

Zieks partner is easy to catch. The three of us are not his partner, DTF is not his partner, Ice is not his partner, I also doubt falco is his partner (less then 25%).

This leaves Super, K7, zwet, SSK, Sajin. His partner is really really likely in one of those people. I believe that Sajin is town, ZHs behavior suggest this, but not as strongly as it suggested falco =/= partner.

SSK and zwet I have weak gut reads on at this point. What I didnt like about ZH though is he was pretty interested in the lurkers. That might be a small point to having K7 as his partner as opposed to Super.

So I wouls say about 45% K7, 40% Super, 10% Zwet 5% other.

I'd say Saijin is a good candidate to be scum with Drake and Zaik (If distributed evenly), but that would be too easy to break. K7 or Super seem reasonable too.

Zieks partner is easy to catch. The three of us are not his partner, DTF is not his partner, Ice is not his partner, I also doubt falco is his partner (less then 25%).

why are you so positive about this?

In order of confidence

ZA - Obvious enough I hope
Ice - Timing of his vote makes ZH a much higher deadline lynch possibility. Mixed with it wasnt forced given past suspicions (he could of stayed on Sajin easily), its a town tell.
DTF - His vote on ZH was a big turning point in the wagon. There was also plenty of reasoning in the rest of his read that could of made him vote others.
Y - Mostly the goading of me to vote for ZH. I dont think scum would be trying to bus off their GF like that, especially when they are next to a GS.
Falco - Blindly wagoned early by ZH

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The "confession" post suggest at least two partners:

No one told me there was a daykiller! I would've never left!

[accent=Italian]Anywho, excellent choice, Mr. Furry. I am quite afraid that I'll have to leave my

boys

too much sooner than I expected. I just hope that my other

"buddies"

die with more dignity than myself.[/accent]

Yeah, yeah, congrats. Next time I'll try to find a happy medium between lurking and anxious. Man, I'm sucking on this site...

This is a good point, also makes Y more likely town since two scum groups more or less puts all the town reads on connections back to "other scum" reads. It also makes little sense for a gunsmith to get a negative on half of the scum (assuming GF is inv-immune)

I tend to agree.

[Iecerint]

Why didn't you show us this yesterday?

[Y]

Yesterday I told you the main things (You can check my vote on K7), but knowing ZA would probably die and me being a possible next, I decided I'd post it before we're both killed and no one can share it with the town. I asked ZA to post it if I don't survive the night.

[Y]

EBWOAP:
We also had a discussion about the probability of having two mafia groups, but we ruled that one out (See second part on the second quote).

[Iecerint]

Furry emphasized that we should send all our PMs to both partners every day. He probably sent these messages both to you and to ZA (the wording -- stuff like "the three of us" -- also implies he did as much). Now we're left with the double-WIFOM of ZA being killed just when he would have confirmed you, but not before, and your sharing the PM when it can't be contested, but not before.

[Y]

I was against it in the first place, so I didn't think about it.

[Sajin]

Falco this is the second night you did this to me. You reply only right before the thread opens so I can't talk. Sigh.

And Zwett was reading town to me. Told you.

vote MafiaSSK

[Iecerint]

Drake did the same thing to me last night. He held off until the last moment. Could be a coincidence.

I can get behind an SSK lynch. Outside of the Drake-zwet dichotomy, I think a good case can be made for him. There's the added bonus that he was on zwet's wagon, but not K7's, which takes into account the Y-Furry perspective.

Vote: MafiaSSK

. This is L-2.

I'll kick myself if Drake ends up being scum.

[Sajin]

Have you figured out what my night 0 PMs were about Iec?

[Iecerint]

I thought I'd answered this question before, but I just realized I hadn't. If you're scum, then you were just rolefishing. If you're town, I can think of some possibilities, but I'm not sure it would be pro-town to discuss them openly.

[Iecerint]

K7, you commented that ZH's death was good for town because we could try to figure out who he was connected to. Who do you think ZH was connected to?

[Sajin]

My PM was picked up by K7 yet unanswered btw. Not that I had much to say.

[falkomagno]

Falco this is the second night you did this to me. You reply only right before the thread opens so I can't talk. Sigh.

And Zwett was reading town to me. Told you.

vote MafiaSSK

Well, don't expect a exciting reply from that meaningless post from you

[MafiaSSK]

Falco this is the second night you did this to me. You reply only right before the thread opens so I can't talk. Sigh.

And Zwett was reading town to me. Told you.

vote MafiaSSK

So you then go back to voting me the instant day opens? Even though your case is bullshit?

[Iecerint]

SSK, do you think Sajin is scum, or do you think Sajin is wrong? If you think Sajin is wrong, who do you think is scum?

falko, you didn't vote yesterday. Why not? Also, who do you think is scum?

I should clarify that as a vig, I could only target one of my two neighbors. I just skimmed falko is iso and it seems like he thought I could've targeted anyone. I could only have targeted Drake or SB N1.

[killa seven]

My PM was picked up by K7 yet unanswered btw. Not that I had much to say.

I did answer, i asked you what were your thoughts on yesterdays events.. you never replied.