Mafia 98 - Apennine Mafia (Game Over)

[Zachrulez]

@Zach: Yeah, right, you did the same thing when you voted for Hoopla in 761... jumped right at the scummy statement... But, you know, it's fine, you had no strong suspicions. I do have them.

Because you expect a town player to assert Alexhans is scummy on the twilight of a scum lynch, and then go back on it after you flip town the next day and state the opposite, and then state an intention to lurk when called out with a demand to explain the change in position. *Sigh*

btw Zach, IRC, you said that you were not suspicious of BM as you were before because he had explained his vote on Ceph over BCC... ok, did he explain why he wasn't on the waggon when he had PUSHED so much to get it?

This point would be stronger if the lynch hadn't happened so fast and Battle Mage had more of a chance to actually change his vote.

If the basis of this entire paragraph's concern of me starts with "If Gieff were scum." It's pretty weak.

*sigh... No, it's not even an attack... just a reminder that you're saying a phrase that, if made by another, would make you pursue that person for making it...

Huh?

[Zachrulez]

And Alex, why the need to constantly rub in the town loss in mini 761?

[Vi]

ITT, alex misreps me like it's cool.

Moving your vote is awesome. It gives you a stake in the arguments going on

right now

. tbh I don't really care what you think is best on this subject; you're deliberately distancing yourself from what's going on now.

The last time you mentioned Battle Mage outside your catching-up post was the

last

time I asked you about Battle Mage about 500 posts ago (25 alex ISO posts). So, no, you're not referencing your Battle Mage vote.

Having thoughts but choosing to withhold them is not the same as not giving any indication that you're having thoughts.

Something else... wasn't BM all suspicious of jammer? Where did that go?

This is an excellent question. If Battle Mage were not lurking I suppose he could answer it.

[GIEFF]

First of all, for all the people calling me scummy for supposedly not making any cases, I find it ironic and scummy that no one's made a case on me that I can respond to.

Now hold on just one darn-tootin' second here, Mister.

I'll respond to the rest later, GIEFF

Benmage, stop being a dumbass.
If I don't have time to respond to the person that's

making a case against me

, I sure as hell don't have time to respond to the person who's asking me to prove I'm Town, and refusing to show why he thinks I'm Scum.

Now, I took your claim that you would respond to the rest later in good faith. But now it's clear that you're just ignoring it when you claim nobody has made a case on you, completely forgetting about your bolded statement above.

I don't know why I continue to give you the benefit of the doubt. I asked you so many times about jammer (as did others), and you refused to answer. Myself and others have also asked you time and time and time and time again to LINK TO A CASE YOU HAVE MADE ON SOMEONE, and you continue to refuse to. You can't just blindly assert something over and over again in the face of evidence to the contrary and expect to be taken seroiusly without providing evidence of your own.

I've given you too much good faith already, but it ends now. I can no longer believe anything you say.

unvote

Vote Sensfan

[GIEFF]

But if you flip town, we lynch Vi.

[Zachrulez]

But if you flip town, we lynch Vi.

More conditional chain lynch talk.

Can you further elaborate on this?

[Vi]

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how little sense you make.

"That's it. I've caught you in a boldfaced lie, and I'm done speaking to you and you should burn burn burn, but if I'm wrong I'm already prepared to blame someone else."

[GIEFF]

Seriously?


That was more sarcasm...

Just another little poke at Spy.

[GIEFF]

I'm glad we all agree that when Spyrex did it SERIOUSLY, it made no sense at all.


And my vote wasn't putting soemone at L-1 immediately after complaining about how my #1 scum-target just jumped on the wagon.

[Zachrulez]

I'm glad we all agree that when Spyrex did it SERIOUSLY, it made no sense at all.


And my vote wasn't putting soemone at L-1 immediately after complaining about how my #1 scum-target just jumped on the wagon.

This is why I think Spyrex is the best lynch.

[GIEFF]

At least Spyrex answers a question when it's asked of him. Sens just keeps saying the same thing over and over, without listening, without even trying to play the game.

[SpyreX]

Come on now GIEFF is obviously picking on me and even I see it.

However, I do love the "Sens I CAN NEVER TRUST ANYTHING YOU EVER SAY EVER (P.S. Dig at SpyreX)

Can you link the case Sens didn't answer?

In other news:

Alex IS misrepping the hell out of Vi.

However, the overall feel of that whole explosion is fairly with one major caveat:

"fuck em all, let them lose"

Why would you say "them" and not some form of "I" if you are implying a town loss?

That stands out like a sore thumb.

[GIEFF]

Here is the "case" I made on Sens, in Post 2194.

Note that it does not matter if you think it's a case, what is important is that SENS thinks it's a case.

Why would you say "them" and not some form of "I" if you are implying a town loss?

This is a good point.

[alexhans]

And Alex, why the need to constantly rub in the town loss in mini 761?

I don't rub it onto you... I'm angered too about that loss... I just want to be conscious about it.
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Moving your vote is awesome. It gives you a stake in the arguments going on right now. tbh I don't really care what you think is best on this subject; you're deliberately distancing yourself from what's going on now.

HOW?! HOW?! How?! I've given my opinions... I won't join a SensFan waggon or a SpyreX waggon or a DDD waggon to be where the action is...

The last time you mentioned Battle Mage outside your catching-up post was the last time I asked you about Battle Mage about 500 posts ago (25 alex ISO posts). So, no, you're not referencing your Battle Mage vote.

FYI, BM means Battle Mage and FYI means for your information... Check again.

[SpyreX]

....

Alex address my question.

Sensfan you better have a good explanation for that.

[alexhans]

ITT, alex misreps me like it's cool.

Alex IS misrepping the hell out of Vi.

When and how? is it scummy?

However, the overall feel of that whole explosion is fairly with one major caveat:

"fuck em all, let them lose"

Why would you say "them" and not some form of "I" if you are implying a town loss?

That stands out like a sore thumb.

how do you spell bullshit?

Why didn't I say I??? WTF?

I'm town... Should I say:

Fuck we? Let us lose?

Why would you say "them" and not some form of "I" if you are implying a town loss?

This is a good point.

Good point??? Yay!!! Keep pushing the limit of stupidity...

You'll soon have me there...

So you don't think that SpyreX's point is utter crap and even fabricated points? very well... err... who are you voting for, exactly?
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BM, Zach, what do you guys think about my statement?

Everyone else, what do you think about my statement and SpyreX's mild accusation?

[alexhans]

Alex address my question

I answer each question when I can... I was typing... the preview showed more posts... I posted and kept writing... don't tell me what or when to do things as if I was ignoring you...

thank you.

[alexhans]

by the way... I'm leaving soon and won't be near a computer until late at night... Can you handle that?

[Zachrulez]

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BM, Zach, what do you guys think about my statement?

Hmmmmm. You used town in a "them" context. That actually is interesting.

[alexhans]

EBWOP: also, it's probably not gonna be my defeat if BM survives and he is scum... so yeah, fuck THEM, let THEM lose is totally correct...

[GIEFF]

Hmmmmm. You used town in a "them" context. That actually is interesting.

Actually, it looked like he was using Sens and DDD in a "them" context, calling them town. Alex, do you have town reads on Sens and Triple-D?

[SpyreX]

Yea I'm real stupid.

"They" or "Them" implies a group separate from yourself such as in the phrase "They are jerks."

So, if you were trying to say due to the bad play the town, which you are implying you are a part of, deserve the loss then:

"Fuck it, we deserve the loss."
"Fuck it, you guys are going to make us lose."

OR, if we want to get tricky with implications:

"Fuck everyone, they deserve the win."

However:

"Fuck them all, let them lose" with the pair of thems in this framework makes no sense as a town statement.

Taking this farther you've also implied both DDD and SF are town, unless you were trying to say fuck all the scum let all the scum lose.

And that is a lot of swearing for science.

[alexhans]

yeah... Sens is CONFIRMED town....

How frigging hard is it to read what I post?

Them is ALL OF YOU... Some of you must be scum... well fuck the rest of you and let the rest of you lose... It WONT be my fault...

That was the meaning of it...

until SpyreX who had the shame of saying I misrepped commited the worst misrep ever... but, who cares... right...

[GIEFF]

If DDD and SF are both scum, alex, which is definitely possible, why would their behavior make you say "fuck the town, let it lose?" Had you considered this possibility?

[Vi]

Moving your vote is awesome. It gives you a stake in the arguments going on right now. tbh I don't really care what you think is best on this subject; you're deliberately distancing yourself from what's going on now.

HOW?! HOW?! How?! I've given my opinions... I won't join a SensFan waggon or a SpyreX waggon or a DDD waggon to be where the action is...

Then say why not.

The last time you mentioned Battle Mage outside your catching-up post was the last time I asked you about Battle Mage about 500 posts ago (25 alex ISO posts). So, no, you're not referencing your Battle Mage vote.

FYI, BM means Battle Mage and FYI means for your information... Check again.

I did. I should clarify.
The last time you mentioned Battle Mage

in terms of why you're voting him

, etc.
And I did miss one, alex #141. It surprised me at the time too because you hadn't said much about Battle Mage at the time.

I'm going to drop this argument for now, partly because Battle Mage is fairly indefensible all on his own.

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I don't view alex's comment as a slip because (cut) of what alex just said. However,

Fuck

we

? Let us lose?

The bolded should be "us"~

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VI

Daykill: alexhans