California Trilogy: City of Angels - On Camera (Game Over)

[StarKiss]

John Locke, we aren't on an island, we are in the contiguous United States. In just one moment, the island was telling you to drive and now you won't?

I feel that John Locke is trying to pull wool over our eyes.

[StarKiss]

It seems as though our two Advocates are still not sharing their inside information.

I'd rather be certain than uncertain, and I'm not liking the avoiding that Valentine has been doing.

[StarKiss]

An odd vision suddenly hits Lewis, but he tries to think nothing of it... A sign[?]

I must re-express how I find it odd of Locke to lure Ms. Wiggins into being our driver. The fact that they both agree to this hints to me that John knows more than what he publicly revealed.

No, this is not paranoia... I just have hunches. Good ones.

[StarKiss]

I was also under the impression that only one of our advocates were an innocent. You're not entirely that awful at reading, Count. Your acting is sloppy sometimes...

Catches an evil glare from the gang

Jokes, jokes ... Do you guys hear a grumbling sound? Sounds like.. someone's hungry.

[StarKiss]

Was that question directed at me? I thought you were talking to someone named "Star."

Anyway, John, I have not yet voted because it would be very premature had I decided to vote without a more drawn out discussion.

You have lured Ms. Wiggins into driving with the promise that 1 innocent will not die and that you will not convert to a darker path.

And yes. My words are very.. VERY interesting.

[StarKiss]

Clarify for me, Locke: Are we facing a life or death situation for any number of us by allowing either you to drive, or Valentine to drive?

[StarKiss]

Carrie, let's just say that the Stars haven't been out since my first 2 comments on this whole matter, so no, both of my "personalities" have not agreed. And yes, Locke is being rather childish by saying anyone who disagrees with him is suspicious. Looks like a fear tactic if I've ever seen one, but I'm not backing down just because of intimidation. My hunch is nothing solid, Carrie, merely speculation.

Do you not find it strange that both advocates agree to the same option? Seems off to me. Blame it on my past experiences, but I just can't help but feel uneasy about one person knowing something and persuading another into following them. It will take a few more scenes before I can fully trust you, Mr. Locke. Otherwise, we are complete strangers. Mama told me never to play the fool..... WOOPS, that wasn't my song

[StarKiss]

As smart as she is, Valentine is still young and gullible. Both advocates were quick to decide on what should be done, so it looks... "off" if you catch my drift. Are you ready to allow Ms. Wiggins to drive, because that's the vibe I get from you?

Julie, I am just untrusting of how hasty both our advocates are. Locke has buttered us up with the promise that he will not convert if Valentine drives, but who is to say that he has revealed all that he knows?

And yes, Carrie, I have been in the kissing mood a lot. Care for a smooch?

John, do you fear death?

[StarKiss]

Green, I have nothing concrete. Only my suspicion. You make it seem like we should just sheep along and agree to have Valentine drive... Am I right?

Fine, let's forget about thinking of hidden agendas and not raise an eyebrow to both advocates agreeing.

Locke, I asked if you feared death because in the event you were to convert to the darker side, wouldn't you know the identity of a newer "company?" Would you mind sacrificing yourself to, in a sense, snitch on who they may be and do the rest of us a favor, even if the end result meant that your death had to ultimately follow?

[StarKiss]

Follow Valentine Wiggin

To everyone else, no rush.

Tags removed. Only votes at the end of the post are counted. - Mod

[StarKiss]

Vote: Valentine Wiggin

[StarKiss]

Wonders where the title of Assistant Director came from.

Um... yeah... Am I being requested to drive now (how, if that's the case?), or am I hearing this wrong, Carrie? Seems like the latter. In fact, I think I've misunderstood quite a bit of what you've said.

[StarKiss]

Sits patiently on the bench, waiting to hear from the three ladies.

{I hate you, dramo}

[StarKiss]

If I remember correctly, there were 2 advocates & 3 choices. I understand what you mean by saying the bad choice is not alphabetically before the good choice, or whatever it was.



Trust me, I understand!

[StarKiss]

That's it.

[StarKiss]

Angel, or Odbody?

[StarKiss]

Motherfu....

[StarKiss]

My spider sense is tingling.

[StarKiss]

Well, if Odbody is an angel as well, I suppose I could see how he believes Mother was telling the truth.... whatever it was she said.

[StarKiss]

No, keep playing with it.

[StarKiss]

Huey, after thinking with 1 of his many split personalities, decides to say what 1/3 of his psycho-identities tell him.

God is spelt with a capital G. Otherwise, you're a devil worshiper.

[StarKiss]

And spelled is not the same as spelt.

(^__^)

[StarKiss]

Tabris my dear, let's not overreact. With our current amount of information we have no completely safe exit, since it has been established mister Obody is not to be trusted blindly.

Furthermore, downing Jell-O shots in the presence of ladies, weither motherly or grotesque, is rather undignified.

And unless you think DEATH scythes people with his feet, those are metacarps you were referring to.

[StarKiss]

I am also surprised no incredible has happened yet. At this point I'd expect someone to break through a window or pull off a complex stunt of sort.

[StarKiss]

Incredible events, of course

[StarKiss]

You see Tabris, there are sometimes evil people that decide that for the greater good, some things shouldn't be done. According to Mr. Locke, these people don the name of screen guild mafia. However, the other day an evil Ms. Blue was shown to be part of a cult. While, normally these people are harmless, like, Mr. Cruise who you know well, they sometimes go overboard and commit villainies.

Papa believes the word of Mr. Locke, therefore since he knows the good people aren't scientologists he believes there are more than one group out there that wants to cause problem for the film.

... You haven't been taking part in illicit activities, have you?

*Huey proceeds to give one of those stares only fathers can give to their child to Tabris*

[StarKiss]

Similarly, I'm not sure the "neutral" decision in this situation is neutral per se, more likely detrimental to non-members of scientology.

If someone wants to take a walk near a volcano with you, say no.

[StarKiss]

Aww, you're such a qt (get it?)

terrible jokes apart, it's like cows, pigs and farmers. If we say the good guys are the farmers, they wants meat. The cows' goal is to gore the farmers so that they don't kill em. However, since at heart all men are pig, the pigs, who know they are a great alternate source of meat, are trying to make the men into pigs so that they're safe.

The cows don't want that though, they are scared the farmers could revert to their base instinct. So they also want to gore the pigs.

I know there is a plothole about why the pigs would want the cows to be pigs, but that'll be tomorrow's story.

[StarKiss]

Asks self,

how exactly is Ms. Blue proven to be cult? We can't see anything while on camera.

Wishes the DRAMa in his life would stop

[StarKiss]

{log the fuck off, please}

[StarKiss]

I am pretty sure it was explicitely said after scene two that Ms. Blue was a scientologist. Call me crazy, but I'm pretty sure I read that.

[StarKiss]

AAAWWW SHIT I"M SORRY< I"M SORRY< I"M SORRY!!! YOU"RE RIGHT!!!

Talks to the drama within.

I remember now the talk about how Ms. Fisher acted weird, then suddenly the evil spirit that possessed her dived into Ms. Blue's soul.

Cradles self like a baby.

I'm sorry... I'll never swear at you again.

Looks off to the side.

Do you forgive me??

Looks off to the opposite side, as if this 'other' side of him is about to reply...

[StarKiss]

Me, I'm perfectly sane.

*Huey then proceeds to turn away from the camera and looks at himself*

If you yell at me again I'm pulling out the spine we share and beating you with it.

[StarKiss]

Tabris, calm yourself, please.

If one of the advocates gets stunted out, would the replacing fellow have the same info they had?

[StarKiss]

But the ceramic is so nice to the touch...

[StarKiss]

Pulls out his harmonica and begins to blow into it.

You know.. this situation reminds me of a time when I was a little boy-

((DON'T TALK ABOUT THE HANDJOB FROM HEAVEN))

Hmm... bad topic choice, I see.

Lewis continues to play the tune -- a lifeless, loud, erratic pattern of all things. He doesn't notice how the others' react, only paying attention to the Mother, Maiden & Crone as their empty stares seem to give him the impression that they are fine listening to his crap.

I got another one.. It's about this time when I didn't know where to go, or who to seek guidance from when I was in a bad spot, so I called on the Lord and he-

((DON'T TALK ABOUT GETTING YOUR HEAD STUCK IN A BULL'S ASS))

Well..... he took a few hours to help, but all that matters is that he eventually came to my side, I suppose. Hmm... not sure what kind of song I should sing for you good people.

[StarKiss]

My music was that good, Death? ^_^

[StarKiss]

I'm not certain the Crone is the optimal choice. Maybe the villains are indeed playing a trick on us, but if they thought two steps ahead then the crone has more odds of being evil than the mother.

Damn it, I hate uncertainty.

[StarKiss]

*grunt* I have three minds and two of them are too busy to even come and comment. This is somewhere between infuriating and loathable.

However, my pinky says that sometimes, someone has to take the first step

Vote: Crone

[StarKiss]

Now now, there are 9 of us in this church, in no way does stating an opinion more strongly than others is going to do that big of a difference.

I'm just conveying an opinion.

~Dram~

[StarKiss]

I would say... Push the button! It's not either choice will make a huge pool of WIFOM.

[StarKiss]

Twitches.

On second thought, let's not push the button yet.

[StarKiss]

I didn't theorically, my split personality has finally returned and seems to disagree with me is all.

[StarKiss]

Slaps self.

What do you mean FINALLY returned?

Slaps self on other cheek.

Are you trying to embarrass me in front of our friends?

Slaps self again before turning to Tabris.

In front of family!?

Final slap causes a red mark to appear on both sides of Huey's face.

..... what are YOU looking at?!?!?

With a wild eyed expression, Huey threatens to slap anyone looking at him awkwardly.... except Angel, because he'd probably whoop Lewis' ass a million times over.

[StarKiss]

If you speak of the Starlet, then no. That channel is not available in your area.

[StarKiss]

Indeed, that personality hasn't visited me in quite a while. Something like what, a least 3 weeks?

[StarKiss]

Huey twitches lightly, then let out a small chuckle.

Dweezil, you're fabricating things here. I got asked a single question which I answered. That can hardly be called a barrage.

[StarKiss]

Also, that's amusing Odbody, the exact same thing happened to me! Some divine voice came to me with a "poke" as I was pondering how to formulate my opinion.

[StarKiss]

Odbody... you didn't get killed last round. I believe what you mean is your former self was slain, but you're still here with us.

Where did you get that gangsta' from?

Angel, which one of my personalities bothers you the most if I may ask?

[StarKiss]

That's a nice way of dissociating your actions from any form of guilt. You really should try not to be so obvious about it.

The lack of stuntman isn't assured. For all we know those who are watching have done it while we weren't present.

[StarKiss]

Don't expect to win an Oscar then..

Anyway, I asked you earlier which one of my personalities bothers you the most, or at least which posts in case you can't distinguish.

[StarKiss]

Considering we lack advocates, this situation is somewhat redundant and unexciting. I'd like to know what our fellows that aren't with us are thinking.

However, I think the coin-flip idea is bad.

[StarKiss]

Not sure if I'm allowed to do this, but {Kise} don't have a lot of time lately. I apologize to dramonic because the duty of posting every 2 days has been dumped on him pretty much. I have an obligation to my group in an NY game to make a post there today, and I'll also have limited access until Saturday.

dram, send me some notes on what's been happening.

(Also, I missed the entirety of the last pre-scene session so I have no clue what went down off-camera.)

[StarKiss]

Happy belated birthday, Glork.

[StarKiss]

Actually, me and my alter-ego are having a disagreement about what behaviour to adopt with the button. The more dramatic part wants to push, while the other wants to not push...

[StarKiss]

*muah*

As I said earlier, I missed the pre-scene session. So green obviously means a Willie Lynch speech has occured, but I don't know if it's also a suggestion for what to pick. Probably not, but someone can confirm or deny it.

And why can't you trust me, son?

[StarKiss]

*muah*

I told the drama queen if he wanted to push the button, he can push the damned thing since he's got ADD. The vote is in his hands. If he doesn't make it before deadline, no vote from us then.

[StarKiss]

Could care less, sonny boy. Been disinterested ever since being taken back on camera. Catching up is not my thing and I can only imagine how many pages have accumulated since I was really into it.

BTW, Glork, muah = kissing sound... not exactly Kise, but it'll do. Everything else is more than likely the drama queen. I don't look to the Stars any more.

[StarKiss]

Earlier I said I was more leaning towards not pushing the button. But if we think about it, this is really just a randomly selected outcome either way, and with no one advocating a choice for us, it's up to chance. So, doesn't really matter what we do.

I think dram' sees me in here, so he didn't get my message about the vote being in his hands. I got to PM his main account. Like I said, it's up to him. I hoped to stay off-camera since Scene 2 because I don't like being so many [pages] behind.

[StarKiss]

Vote: Push The Button

[StarKiss]

Good for you. You want a cookie? Read every post from my account this week and you'll understand.

[StarKiss]

What can I say, my kissing side seems to be a bit more disinterested in this lately so I make the decisions.

I, the dramatic side, want to push the button, while my other half would rather not. However since my other side is bored he follows my lead, simple no?

[StarKiss]

Ugh, I got sand in my mouth, this is just grand.

Well, before we get too involved in replacements, lets see what Mr... Hewitt, has to say.

[StarKiss]

I dont consider there is anything to be explained... Given the choice to switch alignement, its much more of a thrill to pick the mafia side <<

Also, once this game is over i REALLY want CKD to explain what the hell he was ranting bout with his SMG.

[StarKiss]

StarKiss

In order for CKD to switch his alignment and join the mafia (as you suggested to him), he would have to NOT be mafia, correct?

Then you got defensive when SL said you should be lynched, and said you lynched CKD because he claimed scum.

You OBVIOUSLY did not believe the "scum claim" even one little bit.

My only opinion on scumclaims is that they should be lynched on sight. Not questions, no arguments. Kise can believe it or not or skate all he wants, I wouldn't have left CKD alive and had a dayvig been possible for me I'd have used it on the spot.

[StarKiss]

{Kise}

Actually Talitha has pointed out to me that I've overlooked post 2634 off-stage, which is massively, massively, massively scummy from StarKiss. StarKiss did not even attempt to explain it, and still hasn't.

As dram said, there is no explaining. It is exactly how it is. But I get the feeling you don't remember Scene 1. In a nutshell, when CKD was advocate and saying he didn't want to convert, I asked him if he would be willing to convert and expose the scum, even if that meant he would die. Iso me (post 7) and you can look at that entire exchange. CKD basically told me he'd like to be on the winning side, so.

My eyes are on Talilan to vote for. Haven't liked them for a long time now. There was a comment made weeks (maybe a month) ago about not wasting a lynch on me. Talitha skirted around answering what she meant for the longest. It took around 4 or 5 exchanges before I could get you to settle down and answer it concisely. The explanation was dookie anyway. I could retrieve a link from where Talitha begins dodging me if anyone's interested.

You're on my back over 1 mislynch. {Kise, keep in mind} CKD needed to be lynched in order for us to separate SMG from Scientologist, if that's still even a debate. Based on how Thesp was , I had 2nd thoughts on who to vote for, but Locke needed to go for info's sake and Thesp hadn't done anything else I thought was bad except pestering zu to claim AP or not. If you don't agree, then you're likely trying to justify not getting your hands dirty. His [mis]lynch literally provided information.

@dram - I could care less about CKD claiming scum. It was a Mastin'ish attempt to muddle everyone's thoughts; in other words, null. Even now, if someone outright claimed scum, I would have to assess whether there is actual knowledge to be gained from it, as was the case with CKD's lynch.

[StarKiss]

You OBVIOUSLY did not believe the "scum claim" even one little bit.

You're right, KISE didn't believe the scum claim. Kise is the one who placed the vote on CKD, keep in mind. Extra scum points to you for trying to mix up dram's & my opinions as a singular person's inconsistency.

I tag all my posts. If it's not tagged, it's more than likely from dram. With that said...

{Kise, again}

[StarKiss]

The point is that you stated that he "should" have joined the mafia. This implies that he didn't join the mafia, which implies that he had the option of whether or not to join the mafia, which means he wasn't mafia already; thus you knew he wasn't mafia, yet still voted him. It's quite simple, and quite scummy.

No

The point is that CKD claimed scum, then once he got pushed off-stage played as if nothing happened. This implies he says he's town. To this, Kise respond he "should" have joined the mafia. This implies that he believes the choice was possible and that CKD might be telling the truth. This doesn't imply anything about previous knowledge.

Yet I still voted him. Yet you said in the paragraph right above he should be lynched anyways, but now you blame me for voting him.

It is quite simple and you are quite scummy for proposing such an erroneous chain of implications.

[StarKiss]

~Dram, btw~

[StarKiss]

{Kise}

Context. I told CKD I suspected him mainly for the SMG & Scientology confusion, meaning I didn't believe he played/talked scummy but rather I thought he was Sci' that referred to his faction as SMG to confuse matters. Before that (when he offered himself as the next lynch), I mention it may be possible to know about SMG's existence without lynching him -- it should click in your head that I was not die-hard believing CKD was scum in the 1st place. Mr. Grey didn't inform me whether "fired" players' roles would be revealed, so I reiterate that I need to know about SMG being separate from Sci', but it's not as if he was damningly a scumster. CKD then says if not him, then he wants me lynched... and I didn't want that. It's not that I knew he was town/sci/smg, just that as our 1st advocate, the fact he suggested a good outcome gave him credit -- and strengthened the validity of the bad outcome truthfully being that he had a chance to join the mafia.

And speaking of anti-town factions, I am leaning toward believing SMG = Sci based on Thok & GAB's quicklynch. Maybe it was worded as SMG in CKD's advocate PM. If Sci & SMG are to be believed as separate, that would mean around 3 members for each side. Thok & GAB obviously were in cahoots based on voting without thorough discussion. Add them with Pooky & KY Krew and the 2 Something Else's we have here, and I'd say this game began with 6 anti-town. I can't wrap my head around how separate scum factions would work out in this endgame set-up, especially if there was only 1 or 2 of Sci's members left, which

should

have brought along endgame earlier.

[StarKiss]

{Kise}

Why wasn't I left off-camera last scene?

[StarKiss]

No, I have never played with a jester. How is this linked in any way to the current game? Put a jester in front of me and I'll lynch/vig him without any regret.

~Dram~

[StarKiss]

{Kise}

We don't have a QT, we just PM each other's main accounts when we need to. So, yeah, we tend to go ahead and post our personal commentary in thread rather than say to ourselves, "Hey I need to go see dram/Kise/Star and get their approval before I go off and say this." I'm not married to anyone in this hydra. Not like we need permission to post what we want.

I will get back to your other stuff in a bit, VP. Ya know, since it was me, Kise, that said those remarks and am the one that will own up to everything I say.

[StarKiss]

... we're not married?

*throws away engagement ring*

~Dram~

[StarKiss]

We were less trusted than DGB on-stage IIRC, and she would additionally look good the way she'd attacked Thok throughout the game and was turning on us at the time we did it.

[...]

This is besides the fact I think it's downright dumb to suggest we are likely to be scum with Thok- we were on his case throughout the game [...]

So... contradicting yourself, much?

[StarKiss]

Nevermind. Just noticed the tags of who posted.

[StarKiss]

{Kise}

Apologies. Don't have time to read but I will try to post no later than tomorrow night.

Off-Topic - Anyone here write screenplays?

*looks at mod*

[StarKiss]

Your list argument would be somewhat better if you also posted the decisions of confirmed town/scum. The fact Zu is basically confirmed means we should check his choices too, see what proven innocent can look like.

Same for using the corpse. Yes, I know it's a lot of work, but if it can iincrease the strength of the point I say it's well worth a shot.

~Dram~

[StarKiss]

{Kise}

I need to post this RP by midnight elsewhere, so that's where I've been. After tonight, I have no more outside obligations. Blah..

[StarKiss]

Because my posts suck in said other games. I'm going to post something really awesome here soon.

{K}

[StarKiss]

{Kise}

Not as awesome as I want this post to be, but I need to be productive.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 30#1944630

We had 7 exchanges before I got an answer out of you, Talitha. And even now, something isn't right about how things have gone. You wanted everyone to realize I'm scum. So, if you have a hard belief someone is scum, you should get them lynched. Did you want me to get off free, or expect me not to be set up for endgame if I'm in the scum faction? I don't think so. I think you were trying to slowly simmer me over a period of time and put me here with all that marinade over my succulent body.

Now, big surprise here, I didn't want to be lynched, so I didn't make a big stink about it. But now that I'm here in endgame, seriously.. why let someone go if you say they're scum? If I'm scum, were you hoping to scare me and my group into not selecting me for endgame? And on the same token, me > DAB? I need to go over every player here to make sure easy mislynches were not set up by the PNIA.



Secondly, not sure if it was brought up in this game or not, but inactivity is not a scumtell for me. I can't seem to find the thread (must've been flushed/abandoned) but my PPD every month was ranked #2, right behind zwet, the spam master himself. I used to have enough time to play a dozen games at once -- Zazie grew jealous of me behind this.

When I got back into school, I knew I would need some help keeping up with this game. Starbuck fell out for some reason, so in comes dramo. If I had the time to do it alone, I would. There's a reason I needed help staying in this game. So, I have royally screwed up as far as productivity, I know this. I'd get behind by so many pages that I'd resort to skimming and scanning pages within seconds, merely trying to get a gist of things instead of really comprehending what was going on.



Third, I don't plan to stop with my eye only on Talilan, but there are more things I want to go over with this hydra. My birthday is this week, so like hell if I'm going to pass up a reason to get inebriated. That said, I'm looking at Thursday when I make a review of others, sober and all. VP, can you think off the top of your head any game(s) we've played where you were mafia?

[StarKiss]

{Kise}

Thursday, zu. I want to look at everyone (except you) and then assess which 2 are likely scum. Until then, maybe dram can answer your question if he's kept up with things.

@Talilan - This may have been gone over (I haven't read the last page.5) but you said you were thinking SL would stunt with me, correct? Wouldn't that mean I'd be put off-camera with Thok and DAB, both of whom you were also suspicious of? Why want three people you think are scum off-camera?

NOTE: I could have misread something but this is what I think your mindset was during last scene, as you explained it this phase.

Also, I will check your response(s) Thursday as well. Just popping in for now.

[StarKiss]

In other words, why not have the more townish-looking players bully the scummy one.

[StarKiss]

Don't want to rush things. I'm hoping to review at least 2 other players tomorrow. What are you looking for, zu?

To be honest, I do think the only incriminating thing about VP is the player he replaced. Whoever said town is f*cked if he's scum is right. Won't bother iso'ing VP tomorrow since deadline is less than 3 days away.

[StarKiss]

{Kise}

No support for a Taliban lynch?

I think concord.. condor.. however you spell the shit, it allows for longer phases. Rather than making it easy for someone to be put in hammering range, all votes can be counted at the end so nothing suddenly ends. For that, I know who I'm looking into today.

FYI, my school has banned game sites such as mafiascum, so everything will get done in 6 hours when I return home.

[StarKiss]

{Kise}

I was at the house, zu, leaving for school at the time of that post. Was gonna review individually, but deadline is day and a half away. Right away I have to point out that everyone should think outside the box. There are easy targets, clean players, and a confirmed innocent. Everyone knows the deal with hewitt and myself. If Thesp is town, he screwed up his image by fishing for an AP claim previously. Talilan isn't impossible, but I'd put them in the middle of everyone else. It's close to futile to build a case on someone who plays flawless, but suspicion should still, at the very least, be put on those less scummy [MO, VP].

I was also trying to figure out the likelihood of SL being made the advocate. I thought the scum might do this so he couldn't stunt someone offstage to be lynched. If SL was made advocate and bumped onstage, Hewitt would have been left offstage. There were a lot off possibilities to think about.

Private speculation doesn't serve anyone well. A gameplan should have been arranged with SL if you truly expected or wanted him to do certain things while off-camera. Still, setting it up where 2 scummy/lying players are left with someone who wasn't close to scummy (SL) was a boo-boo move. You share so many thoughts of what was going on in your head and what you thought would happen, but optimal play would have been to go over these ideas with SL. Unless you shared a QT with Shadow (joke), all thoughts and suggestions should have been posted.

Do you think ckd's lynch provided any info toward finding scum? If so, what exactly?

Now that I think about it, he died in vain. The way things are set-up, no possible way there are two anti-town factions. But, that is something I am almost certain of now, opposed to back then -- I wouldn't mind explaining how I came to believe this, if anyone wants to know. Really though, CKD created a him-or-me situation. He pretty much overlooked me agreeing with him during the 1st scene due to how hesitant I was to believe his word. He rode that for the longest and it popped up during the time I lynched him. If he wasn't being a dick towards me, I would have tried to question Thesp more for pestering zu_faul into claiming AP or not. As said earlier, I wanted to find other ways to prove CKD's advocate PM was true, but even now I think SMG isn't different from Sci'. CKD got duped by whoever wrote the PM.

I agree that hewitt looks pretty bad, but there is something too easy about his lynch that really bothers me.

But you still go along with it. Same with MO. You both just slid votes onto him after he said to lynch him. But that's hewitt's bad for giving you both justification to vote for him so nonchalantly. And as far as me taking responsibility for dram's opinions and vice versa, that's hard to do when we both get different reads genuinely as two separate players. For instance, dram lynched Gasper and thought Talilan was town, whereas I felt the very opposite in regards to both those player's positions.

We were less trusted than DGB on-stage IIRC, and she would additionally look good the way she'd attacked Thok throughout the game and was turning on us at the time we did it.

[...]

This is besides the fact I think it's downright dumb to suggest we are likely to be scum with Thok- we were on his case throughout the game [...]

So... contradicting yourself, much?

I want to see this answered, orto.

Ok, I want to bring up some points I've had up my sleeve for a while before this conversation takes too much of a turn for the worst.

In other words, this plan has been in the works while the scum discussed how to manipulate endgame. Go on.

That's besides the point that I don't think three scum in ourselves, Thok and DGB would put all our eggs in one basket by interacting so much with one another if we were indeed scum.

In my heyday, I've seen brilliant play by mafia mates. Kublai Khan called ZazieR a bitch in what looked like an ad hom attack to most of us. Imagine the shock when we found out they were both apart of the same non-town faction. I don't put any kind of plan or situation past scum. You yourself told me in Death Note mafia not to let ignorance influence how I approach a game. In any event, bussing and distancing is not something invented yesterday, so of course it's something to consider. Even here with all the encounters you've had with Thok.

This isn't the "scum never make slips" defence, it's the "scum would know not to make themselves look scummy" defence

I wonder why I can't use that.

What would people have objected to, at the time, about leaving DGB/Thok/Shadowlurker off-stage?

The fact I wasn't left off-camera and proposed as the definite lynch, like you've been begging for since midway through the game... although, I wouldn't really object to it. More so question the reasons behind it, which I'm doing now. I'm pretty sure you even said to everyone that you wanted to leave me (or 2 other of your suspects) off-camera with 2 townish players to decide our fate... Yet later on, your views are inconsistent as, rather than have 1 of your suspects left off camera, you put 2 of your supposed suspects off camera with 1 townish player (SL) to determine which one was lying.

Not to forget, up until I mentioned how squeaky clean your voting record has been, you never picked a wrong choice on-camera. I'm believing that after I pointed out the ridiculousness of you "GUESSING" the right choices all the time, you decided to throw in the monkey wrench and not keep up the perfection any longer.

I actually do not feel that bad about how the lynch last scene went down. We uncovered 2 scum. We know the alignments of ALL players not in endgame. We actually did OK.

Depends on who "we" is. No, this is not okay. It's a blatant mindf*ck set up for us to wonder why both Thok and DAB chose their partners for endgame rather than themselves, as in who could these partners be that they have confidence will win the game. If you wanted to experiment with hewitt or myself, that should have happened long ago at a time when the town's chances of winning/lynching anti-town were in a better position than now. Players that had natural town vibes have all been killed in between scenes. VP is doing good for himself, but would it really be wrong if I wondered about his alignment? PNIA knows what they're doing to take out good players such as Glork, MJ, etc. All the mislynches have been easy. All the mislynched players have said some scummy crap that raised eyebrows and tightened nooses. I could care less how crazy this sounds, but if today is our only experimental lynch, I'd rather test it on MO or VP since they seem farthest from making anything viewed as a scumslip. The reason I place hewitt and myself in the category of experimental is because it's been announced how you all have doubts that our lynches would be correct, so hah.

I'm not going to post a wall of text because that will piss people off. Do note that I am not finished this morning, as I simply wanted to limit the size of each post. I will drop more bombs until I reach page 56.

Vote: Talilan, Thesp, [hewitt, Mighty Orbots, VP Baltar] StarKiss, No Lynch, zu_faul

[StarKiss]

{Kise}

My mention of Glork in the last post should be Bagel Eating Frog***
I confused the player with the role.

When it turns out you have been consistently wrong about significant things for much of the game, your later reaction is not to show trepidation or uncertainty at your conclusions based on this history (one breakdown-moment after Gaspar's lynch notwithstanding), but instead has been to make bald-faced assertions of things in a similar manner as before. Moreover, when other people express any degree of uncertainty, your approach has been to inadvertently(?) belittle this by proclaiming quite proudly that such things are seemingly obvious.

(Warning, gross use of generalization and stereotypes below!)

Thesp, ortolan is Australian. All NZers know these brash and brazen neighbours of ours never, ever doubt themselves.

You reply to Thesp with a joke, seriously? Shit wasn't funny when the wrong people were being lynched. Have you told how you knew zu_faul was obv-AP yet? I don't see it, and at least 3 people have asked for your reason. You blew up because of something VP said and never got around to it.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 60#1994460

After all the possibilities/expectations listed here^ , the odds of getting the truth or desired outcome is outweighed by the other bits that comprise this clusterf*ck. Your mindset was apparently overloaded, so I take it you had(?) Still wish/would have recommended you publicly strategized with SL and everyone else about your reasons for choosing those 3 to remain off-camera last scene. Some leaders are totalitarians, but that never works out in the best interest of the majority. I can't stress enough how keeping all these plans caged up was the wrong move for a

townie

to do.

I knew that at the very least if one of them was lynched and town, that the other had to be scum.

Yes, but endgame got triggered due to another mislynch. Knowing alignments of unkilled scum doesn't do much [for me]. Just as I said a few days ago in regards to you not seeing my lynch through before endgame, you can't just decide to let people you think are scummy go free. If you're town, then make solid decisions and remain firm in those selections.

I did consider leaving someone very scummy offstage with 2 townie looking people but I had a premonition that whoever I chose as most scummy would end up not being scum at all.

I also thought that even if I left 2 scum offstage, one might lynch the other to look good going into endgame. If the rules were how I imagined them, this could've been a pretty likely scenario.

Jesus, Tal... okay, yet and still, when you're town, you go over things with the group. Assess others based on how they feel about your plans and re-judge your options to see which benefit town more and which benefit scum more.

As an FYI - my birthday is next Friday, and the party is next Saturday. I probably will not be useful around the deadline, which I hope we won't be running into.

Why the rush, cowboy?

Making nothing but bad decisions is not likely to come from town. I will flat out say that right now. If you'd like to do additional research to prove me wrong, be my guest.

Shit, um.. zwet, CJMiller, DeathNote, myk.. How trusting are you of their judgment when they're town? I ask this at the risk of comparing myself to them. But, in actuality, I'm saying that going with your gut or beliefs does not always turn out right. We have our good and bad days, is all. Call it BS if you will, but the fact I'm apart of a hydra should relay a hint that I don't have the schedule to stay caught up all the time and make sound decisions.

Starkiss

Scene 1: On-Stage-Good Decision (Follow Valentine)
Scene 2: Off-Stage-No Decision
Scene 3: On-Stage-Bad Decision (Pick Crone)
Scene 4: On-Stage-Bad Decision (Push the button)
Scene 5: Off-Stage-Bad Decision (Lynch Gaspar)
Scene 6: Off-Stage-Bad Decision (Lynch curiouskarmadog)
Scene 7: N/A

Thoughts: Starkiss has done nothing right all game other than follow Valentine in the first scene, and I can see a lonely scum (all of the confirmeds were off-stage) doing that to fit in.

Lonely scum... (-_-)
I'm not Nostradamus. If any of us knew all the right answers, we'd have a perfect game. What you neglect to consider is that this is not your typical game of mafia. Here, the anti-town faction has influence over which players are in the lynching field (off camera) and which players are in the other field (on camera). Not only that, but they know the outcomes beforehand. As hewitt said, checking voting patterns is not as reliable as interrogating players to find out whether they have logical or illogical motives behind every move they make.

StarKiss, give us a good reason not to lynch you (hint: tell us about someone else who is scummier).

Because there is far more shit to stack against Talilan to the point where flies take vacation around them. Let's face it, except for KY Krew, nobody has pegged scum and successfully saw their lynch through. With KY, he basically dropped the soap himself, so no crafty case was required. Now our guts have been screwed for this entire game as far as who we think is scum. But after so many months, we can now look back and compile what we see is wrong with how other players handled actions/situations. I admit to being unproductive for a large part of the game, and bumping heads with CKD past a gaming-level. Now, question me to determine whether the motivation behind my actions were logical or illogical.

I'll go ahead and put dramonic in the spotlight by saying it was his choices scenes 3 through 5, which leaves me as the decider scene 1 and scene 6. Now, looking at that and viewing me as mafia, you could assume I pick my spots carefully so "I don't get caught." Wouldn't I be more likely to (for lack of a better word) coach dramonic on which choices to make? I didn't know right from wrong because I AM apart of the uninformed majority (innocents). I was just as curious as dramo whether we were making the right decisions or not, but who am I to stop him from picking what he wants when I am not 100% myself? On the flipside, I wouldn't expect him to do the same with me neither. It's a coinflip as far as I see it. We're a hydra, and I invited him to join me because I needed a hand keeping up with activity. Why would I invite him to the game, but restrict him from making his own decisions? This isn't

The Color Purple

, I'm not Danny Glover, and he's not Oprah. He did haul in a good chunk of activity when I couldn't avoid prodding range, so that also influenced me to stand back when voting as he pleased without giving my consent. We did at least give thoughts on every player from time to time to stay up to date, so we both shared knowledge before making our decisions. Our compromise is essentially an unspoken agreement that we're playing this as individuals, not a team (of schemers and plotters).

If anyone wants to go deep enough to pull meta into the argument, I've f*cked up as town quite a bit recently, so regardless of alignment I am not immune to making incorrect decisions. What I now have to think about is why people look at our voting records and think it has any unique/specific significance to my decision-making in this game and this game only, as opposed to how I play in any other instance.

Not to tunnel on Thespy, but this demonstrates an extraordinary level of insight both compared to other players in the game, and compared to how I thought he was keeping up with the game at the time.

During scene 6, how far along were you caught up, Thesp?

Re: Thesp not wanting to send a sign onstage... Yes I thought it was worth noting after I it was revealed that maiden wouldn't have been a bad pick. Thesp didn't appear to put any effort into figuring out the puzzle himself, just wanted onstage to play it out.

Thoughts, Thesp? -- You as well, MO?

Happy with a Starkiss lynch (or a hewitt lynch, really, I can't imagine both of them being town, and could easily imagine both being scum).

Honestly, I'm in the camp of belief that there is no way in hell that both Starkiss and hewitt are both town.

So, my conclusion is we lynch them back to back and see where we are at.

With no consideration for what we flip. Right. Golden.

StarKiss/Kise,

The post that you linked seemed awfully rhetorical to me now and back then too. When I figured out that you actually expected a reply, I replied. (As I pointed out to you already) my post was about as clear and unambiguous as it is possible to be!

Yes, you answered properly after the 7th exchange. Still, you've been hounding me for a long time, yet others have gotten lynched instead. When someone asks a question, you don't dodge them.

If VP is scum the town has automatically lost, you're not going to win because you will never lynch him.

No offense to anyone, but I think MO and VP can easily have psychological control over the others. This is why I wish there was something more concrete for me to go on with them if they are scum because I'm pretty sure the PNIA would use them to easily put the game in a burrito and wrap it up. VP lining up lynches is not seen as scummy to others because.. I'm scummy to others.

[StarKiss]

Happy birthday.

If Thesp is town, he screwed up his image by fishing for an AP claim previously.

How is this screwing up one's image?

Because it was at a time when scum could still kill in between scenes, and before they could manipulate who's in endgame. In other words, if scum knew before endgame that zu_faul was AP (opposed to hewitt or myself), they could have had the choice to eliminate him before hand so that we would currently be playing with 7 unconfirmed players, rather than 6.

I don't recall, what was your stance on curiouskarmadog's refusal to give details on who would be onstage?

CKD or Talilan? If CKD, you'll need to tell me which scene or link to it. If you're talking about Talilan however, I never posted anything about it because I was out of town for Thanksgiving before they decided on who went onstage, and when I returned, endgame was already in progress I believe. What I will say is that keeping information like that to yourself is slick, and denies others the ability to go back and use written evidence to address you with in the future. As we are told, Talitha had all kind of thoughts racing through her head, so we can't pin anything factual to her. Slick, as I said. Can't remember if someone else brought this up, but DAB not firing Talilan (in other words, trusting Talilan to hand her and Thok a quicklynch) makes me wonder.

[StarKiss]

{Kise... damn I'm tired}

[] for StarKiss because she promised stuff tomorrow.

He. (-_-)

what do you think about Hewitt? More likely scum or more likely town?

Strongly disbelieving he's scum chosen to win this game for his faction. And I don't say that to offend him, but look at how it's gone down... Who are the most favored lynches currently? Hewitt and myself. It's been that way for a while, but no action has been considered until now, endgame. This is what leads me to believe he's town. He's basically in the same situation as me, so it's by default that I think he has the same alignment and me and has had the same thoughts as me, etc. Why, oh why, would scum blatantly pick all the wrong choices? That question has a degree of WIFOM, but cut the crap. You would have to give him credit if he's anti-town not to be so foolish (sorry if that's an ad hom -- if you aren't innocent, hew). I would like to think his partners would have instructed him to have a better image if he is in the scum group.
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If you're scum VP then you're doing exactly what you set out to do prior to this scene and I have to give you props for it. The whole point of the scum in this scene was to beat down Starkiss and myself so badly that there's absolutely no chance that we will not be lynched. And now, you've done it. So congrats if you're scum, if you're not, then you're the reason why we've lost.

I agree.

Honestly, if you're town, I really want to see something significant from you.

FFS.. what else do you want, if you're town? Right now I'm in Q & A mode. Be honest though, am I bumped up on your list because I suggested lynching you for an experiment? Chill, I'm not being stupid. Talilan has my attention.

I got half a page to read. Sleep for now.

[StarKiss]

{Kise}

lol, we really should just lynch Mr. Grey and get it over with MO!

I have seen the last two Cali games employ a unique twist. This game is creative, but I'm still waiting for the big twist. Is Grey at all a legal entity (for voting or any other reference)?

Deadline lynches are pansy lynches. People should man/woman-up and lynch someone.

So people shouldn't take their time deciding who to lynch at a crucial time like this, merely so they can avoid being labeled a pansy? There should be as many posts, questions, answers, opinions and information for us to use because 2 wrong moves can hand this game to scum. With my poor availability especially, I could use time on my side. This reminds me though that I voted improperly this morning.

I believe I was pretty well caught up

Alright. I ask because of how anxious you seem to have lynches occur, so I wanted to make sure you knew all of what's happening before rushing lynches. It hasn't gone unnoticed that you've missed out on voting in a lot of scenes, so another reason why I asked how caught up you were. I figure that if you had a full understanding of things, you should have been voting more often.

Anything in particular you're looking for? I thought about it from time to time, but no, I did not put much effort into puzzle solving, and I adamantly did not want to send a signal onstage. Talilan is correct in her observations here.

Was this at a time when we definitely knew the outcome of maiden(?), and you didn't help out those on camera ?

(Something tells me I'm misinterpreting the scene)

When was this time that the scum could kill that you speak of?

Probably after we lynched CKD, before SL got lynched (same time 41 was picked on camera). At one time, there were two kills done, then later only single kills. I'm thinking scum were alloted kills based on how many scenes had finished. The on camera choices don't seem to indicate their ability to kill since Bagel and MJL were killed after non-bad choices were made.

I don't recall, what was your stance on curiouskarmadog's refusal to give details on who would be onstage?

I dont think we should have ANY conversation about who to hang tomorrow, until the scene starts, why give scum so much information? if you have thoughts about who should go or not, go ahead and state your case....I will listen, but no longer going to even fucking hint at who is going...if you have a problem with that that, fire me.

in that case (no advocates) chat away....that being said, I am not indicating anything though.

gaspar, you would love it if you could tell me who to send wouldnt you?

Of course I would. I am a power hungry lunatic. I wouldn't be Glork if not.

But seriously, I was suggesting that the collective tell you who to send, not me personally.

no, you have a problem with that..lynch me.

I dont want scum to know who I am sending before the scene...if you have a suggestion I will listen, but you are running out of time.

putting together a list now...

and no, not going to tell you who i am picking....but would love to hear suggestions and why...

Heads up, I never posted/documented my stance on this, so don't bother iso'ing me. Before anyone ask, the reason I didn't post was because I was attempting to get a gist of everything I missed off camera before looking at current commentary, which was a rare effort from me. If I'm not mistaken, Gaspar's lynch was nearing so that then became the focus of attention. Now, as far as how I felt about CKD's behavior there, it's not the first rash thing he's done. It was clear to see he wanted to leave a few of his personal lynch choices off camera. He was only digging a hole deeper for himself if, by the time the scene arrived, we found out he made some dumb selections, so I wasn't going to give him a hand in looking better if he was scum. There were a high number of [innocent] players living so if I had been more active, I would have thrown my hands up and accept that it should be expected from him, instead of argue like the others and try to convince him to give a list of who he was sending. To boot, if he wasn't scum with the assistant director, I would expect him to get warned/fired or else suspicion is heavily cast on them both. However, had the situation been where only 3 players could be left off-camera, I would most definitely not just let him get off the hook with being tight lipped. Those 3 players need to be chosen carefully, and logically.

This is coming from the self-proclaimed Jesus Kise?

School, man.. My brain is geared toward research papers more than it is scumhunting.

Thoughts, Thesp? -- You as well, MO?

I don't see the significance of this.

My mistake. I could have sworn Talilan mentioned your name in that quote as well, but anyway, disregard it.

@Talilan - Thesp has you low on his lynch priority. You claim I am scum with him. Flipping town would obviously mean I am not scum with anyone, but would your opinion of Thesp change to trusting him more?

@VP - About KY's lynching, I was busy, as usual. At that point, I don't think dram joined the hydra so I was only posting to avoid prods (48 hour rule). KY was stunted off camera and by the time I logged on, he was L-1. I saw his cop claim (it stuck out because I focused on him only) and asked everyone whether I should hammer anyway or whether they wanted to talk about it. I have only heard that he did some scummy things during the first scene off camera before he stunted onto camera, but never had time to look into it. When scene 2 rolled around, I wasn't hip to how he was obv-lying scum. Mechanics were still new and uncertain for me, so I didn't know at the time that everyone had regular non-active roles. If I knew as much about this game's mechanics then as I know now, I would not have doubted CKD and Panzer's integrity during the 1st scene. Hopefully the answer to your question is in there somewhere.

[StarKiss]

{Kise}

I was right, MO:

Re: Thesp not wanting to send a sign onstage... Yes I thought it was worth noting after I it was revealed that maiden wouldn't have been a bad pick. Thesp didn't appear to put any effort into figuring out the puzzle himself, just wanted onstage to play it out. (Now that I check back, MO also did not want to send a signal onstage.. I guess I found this less suspicious because one of MO was at least attempting to figure out the puzzle).

Hewitt has shirked culpability for his actions about 1000 times in this thread, repeatedly feigning frustration with the game. If he really hated this game so much, why didn't he replace about 5 scenes ago? Instead he just keeps going "I don't care, this is stupid. You guys do whatever you want and I'll vote with it". I mean, is there a position anyone could take that's more scummy?

I'm purposely overlooking his voting record due to circumstance. I would not believe he, as scum, would have been a better pick than Goofball, or Thok for that matter. Considering the other mislynches we've had, I take into account whether it looks like these lynches are heading down the same path. Subconsciously, his age also plays a part in how I view him this game. I overthink when it comes to adult players, and admit I can be wrong as town a lot of times in one game. But, for some reason, I find it easier to evaluate teenagers.

And who do you think wrote that PM?

PNIA or Grey. I first think of Grey because I'm not certain whether anti-town can customize advocate PMs.

You're not anti-town, you're scummy with a capital S. You have been working against the goals of the town the entire game, and it's a very big coincidence that you and hewitt are trying to push.

The word 'working' suggests that I made incorrect choices intently. All I can say is that this is not the case. I got drowned out of the game whenever I found out that there was so much stuff to read off camera from the first scene. When Starbuck dipped out, my descent from the ranks came suddenly. I just wanted to be a part of a mith game, but the rules were that you get prodded after 2 days, plus your posts need a minimum of 25 words, and lastly you only get one warning before you're considered for replacement/modkill. I did a LOT of fluffing just to get by and stay in the game. It was selfish, hurt the town, yadda yadda. I know.

Kise, I've played plenty of games with you to know that you're a competent player. dram is less proficient, but he's certainly not awful (I was recently scum with him and won), so how do you expect me to believe that you guys couldn't make a correct choice beyond the very first scene?

I could link/refer you to recent f*ck ups of mine, as town. I cost town the game by overthinking who I thought was scum in lylo. I was confirmed cop, so the fate of all town players rested in my hands, literally. In Percy's last theme game, I lurked hard and flipped town (via modkill). If you're willing to trust my word, then believe me when I say that I did not intentionally make choices with prior knowledge that my decisions would hurt the town. I did not know any of the outcomes in this game, and didn't pay much attention on camera because it involved too much problem solving/guessing. I preferred to remain off camera most of the time. As for dram... I think as soon as we were told there would be no more prodding, he felt he helped me long enough and dipped as well.

I mean, the KY Krew thing was a slam dunk and still nothing from you. The town-Kise I know would have been all over him like a cheap suit and laughed about it as he was strung up. I'm not seeing that zeal here at all.

Lol. Weren't you a main supporter of my mislynch in Open 150? I wouldn't say I have any sort of solid meta because my playstyle is only affected by role, not alignment.

What about scene 2?

I answered this earlier tonight, FYI.

This is laughably ridiculous. "I'm town, therefore I'm clueless."

Same old VP from Open 150, I see. One thing I have to note about our time in "Cuckoo's Nest" mafia is that you [scum] lashed out against me after I dug up some dirt on you. I was wrong about who I thought you were coaching, but I'm seeing similar retaliation here. Then again... same old VP. You need meta.

Why, oh why, would scum blatantly pick all the wrong choices? That question has a degree of WIFOM, but cut the crap. You would have to give him credit if he's anti-town not to be so foolish (sorry if that's an ad hom -- if you aren't innocent, hew). I would like to think his partners would have instructed him to have a better image if he is in the scum group.

Unless one or both of you was not meant to be in endgame. Scum didn't get a choice of who to send if Talilan is town.

Goes without saying that I think scum had a choice thanks to Tal.

Let's save our mislynch for tomorrow folks if we need it.

Eh? The context of this post suggest you know/expect a mislynch. Clarify or rephrase, please.

Which 3 players would you have left offstage VP. StarKiss: same question.

Didn't I just ask you a sh*tload of questions? Anyway, if I was selfish, I would have left you, myself and anyone I regarded as more trusting than the others (VP, MO). A second scenario is to choose only ONE of you, Thok and Goof to question about the screw up with Scene 6; and the other two players would have to be proven for being level-headed and good decision makers. SL was useful for stunting, but that ability would not have influenced whether SL was on or off camera. Now, if I'm not being selfish (I wouldn't have been), I would take everyone else's suggestions into consideration, and I do remember nearly everyone posted who they wanted off camera. The dice would have landed on you, Thok and Goof either way. Again, only one of you would have made it, and again, this would be discussed with everyone else whether they agreed with my list or not. I was too lazy to be the director though. (*_*) Also, if you picked all scum last scene and they had to bus their own, then they would not only get credit for 'staging' an anti-town's lynch, but they would still be able to select which 2 of the 3 remaining go to endgame.

I've been pondering, why hewitt as the advocate? He was quite high on the chopping block, so perhaps they were putting him on stage to avoid him being able to be lynched?

So in hewitt's case he's different from Elmo, who was also made advocate and later stunted off camera to be lynched?

hewitt was likely to be lynched given most potential three person groupings, so keeping him onstage kept him from being lynched

Interesting, and a fair point.

I think Talitha's agony over who to keep offstage feels very genuine, and I disagree with your assessment that ShadowLurker was obvtown

Alright, but how do you feel about Talilan not giving her final 3 or 4 picks to remain off camera with the rest of us during pre-scene?

if you flipped town I'd obviously reassess Thesp but I would most likely still think he's scum because I think zu_Faul, VP, and MO are town.

You'd reassess, eh..? See, this tells me that you believe there is some link between Thesp and I. I'd like to know what this link is. Point blank, I want to know why you find Thesp scummy besides what he had to say about you in his last post, and why he gets

reassessed

if I'm lynched first. To be more blunt, looks like you'd somewhat clear Thesp. You weren't sure about him earlier, but later on you say the way we gangbanged CKD makes us partners. So what I'm currently under the belief of is that you feel Thesp is scummy through me, since I was scummy to you before, and he can be relieved of scumminess if it's shown that you linked him to a townie.

Unvote
Vote: Talilan

, Thesp, [Mighty Orbots, VP Baltar], hewitt, No Lynch, StarKiss, zu_faul

Extraneous tag removed. - Mod

[StarKiss]

What info are we referring to exactly?

[StarKiss]

Actor Name is Robery Duvall

My Alignment is Innocent

My Flavor Text (paraphrased) is that while I'm here filming, I can sense something terrible happening around me. Even with my experience, it's hard to figure out who's being truthful and who's "acting."

My Secret Word is: Tango.

My Win Condition is when at least one Innocent has a living Role, and all other Roles are dead (or if nothing can prevent this from happening).

The rest of my PM is about confirming the Actor PM by post Off Stage, etc.


If we're popcorning, I choose MO next. If we're in a rush, then whoever's online can go next.

[StarKiss]

Slap me if you want, but I'm one of the few ppl who haven't seen Dirty Harry. I did see Gran Torino though. Excellent screenplay.

So can you paraphrase your flavor, Thesp?

[StarKiss]

{Kise}

Nothing has been said or done to change my mind about hewitt. Although now that we find out an Innocent was indeed the one deciding placement for those last few scenes, it pretty much does mean that scum had no choice in who went where. We'll have to ask Goof about why they/she didn't fire Tal. Rather than fix myself on previous suspects, I'd like to go through today carefully. The wrong bolded vote is all it takes to lose. As a refresh, all you're holding hewitt's choices/votes against him?

Why were you "sad" about Tal being hammered? (before an alignment flip)

More stuff I want to go over tomorrow. Some of my last questions didn't get a response.

[StarKiss]

holding 'against' hewitt***

[StarKiss]

{Kise}

Net was out due to the snowstorm. I've only missed half a page here, but many pages elsewhere, so pardon me for attending to my game first. School is out so I can be on here alllll day tomorruh.

[StarKiss]

Don't bust that nut just yet! Net went kaplooey again, and I'm not even home right now. Going to pick up some food and I WILL answer those questions. Scout's honor.

{Kise}

[StarKiss]

@hewitt: What was your opinion of GnB/Thok in Scene 7?
@Starkiss: The same.

I thought they looked beautiful. I mean, the way they just did away with ShadowLurker so fast without really attempting to play out the day was awe-inspiring. I can only imagine how exhilarating it was to get away with lynching a townie and peeling off... lemme try.

Vote: hewitt

[StarKiss]

Trust me when I say I had no idea I was picking incorrect choices.