Mini 808 - Rabbit Doubt Mafia: Over!

[Kmd4390]

Hey. Laptop access. Quick post.

Iec makes a decent case against himself. Hmm.

[Iecerint]

My point is that you've repeatedly declared me town even though you literally have no reason to (except by PoE, maybe). Other players have done so, too, but unlike their comments, yours seem unsupported. Your reads of other players have been pretty similar -- your reads on Kre and Greg come to mind. When you do give reasons for your reads beyond "gut," they're almost always arguments someone else has come up with. This might be OK if your gut reads made sense to me, but they really haven't this game.

I'm wondering if you're trying to buddy me on the back of having read my comment about my susceptibility to it in your Twilight mafia thread. Were it not for the fact that I know you've been away for much of the past few weeks, I would suspect you significantly.

[Iecerint]

No. Why don't you let everyone know who

you

are.

You could at least let YOURSELF know who you are. We've all done that much.

[Battousai]

Looker: By not looking at your role. You attempted to cheat and can still be, cheating. That and the fact that you, not looking at your role, will paint you as null forever.... makes you very anti-town.

[Looker]

O, no, I looked at it myself a while back when Batt first posted about it. I thought he was insisting I broadcast it to the world via means other than votes and typical or anti-typical behavior. Yeah, but yeah, it's depressing...

@Molestar & DJ: You know the drill, which one of you deserves to die, man?

[Iecerint]

What's depressing?

Greg claiming a not-confirmable role that is investi-proof is probably suspicious enough to trump MSG and DJ IMO.

[Kmd4390]

Iec, you are making no sense. You call me out for buddying, but being busy nullifies that? First of all, why is it nullified? Second, why is buddying a scumtell? Look at any game I have played with Camn. We've both buddied in all of those games. It's called enjoying playing with someone.

Lynch preferences:
Want to lynch:
Looker
Don

Wouldn't mind lynching:
Iec
Phily

[Iecerint]

You've been busy, so maybe there's more to your reads than you've had time to communicate, or maybe you didn't notice the post I made in the game you were modding. Lack of time may also make analysis difficult or impossible for you, which makes your reliance on gut reads less problematic than it would otherwise be.

Thinking a player is town because of perceived towntells is not scummy; however, thinking a player is town for no reason at all, especially if this happens with enough players that investigative roles can't explain it (Greg + Iec on D2, in this case), is.

I also find your pursuit of the easy policy lynch on Looker to be slightly scummy, but I agree that Looker is a bit obnoxious.

I'm going to look back at who voted for Greg.

[don_johnson]

O, no, I looked at it myself a while back when Batt first posted about it. I thought he was insisting I broadcast it to the world via means other than votes and typical or anti-typical behavior. Yeah, but yeah, it's depressing...

@Molestar & DJ: You know the drill, which one of you deserves to die, man?

until there's proof of this post restriction i see no reason to lynch me over mole. honestly, i like batt or gregory for lynching. the only evidence against mole is this post restriction fiasco. i am not sure why mole isn't pming the mod about it in order to clear it up. i sure as hell would be.

[Kmd4390]

Iec, lack of time is only an excuse for falling behind. I am caught up right now, so I'm good. Ignore the fact that I'm V/LA for now.

[Looker]

Iec's (wasn't it Ice before?) Post 1105 - The role was depressing. So you believe Gregory's claim to be more pressing and demanding an issue than MSG's post restriction issue? Not to knock you, I'd agree, but asking anyway.

Iec's (wasn't it Ice before?) Post 1107 - Yeah, sorry, turns out I

am

obnoxious. Who knew? I'll get to workin on that ASAP.

DJ's Post 1108 - Once again Greg's name pops up. Hmm...

@Greg - Whenever you feel like it...

[ZazieR]

If a player...fakes breaking a rule...he will be punished for doing so. The punishment depends on the infraction.

What if a player breaks a fake rule? Does that constitute faking breaking a rule?

If a players pretends that there is a rule, he'll be punished if he's breaking it as if that rule is actually present

[ZazieR]

1) Kmd4390
3) Mastin
4) don_johnson (1) - Molestargazer
5) Looker (2) - Battousai, Kmd4390
6) Iecerint
7) Molestargazer (1) - Don_johnson
9) Tenchi (1)
10) PhilyEc (1) - Looker
11) Battousai

12) Gregory (2) - Mastin, iecerint

Not voting (3) - Tenchi, PhilyEc, Gregory

With 10 players alive, you''ll need 6 votes to lynch.
Green indicates closest to lynch.

Room 1: Male Restroom - Kmd4390
Room 2: Female Restroom - Battousai
Room 3: Library - Mastin
Room 4: Hospital Room

Room 5: ???

Room 6: Dark Room
Room 7: Storage Room
Room 8: Great Hall - iecerint
Room 9: Bedroom
Room 10: Empty Room

Room 11: ???

Room 12: Crime Scene Room - Don_johnson, Looker

Room 13: Exit Room

Room 14: ???
Room 15: ???
Room 16: ???

Black means that that the door is open.
Red means that the door is closed.
Room 14 is in darkred, as it's its door in a different room, which got locked by Iecerint. So nobody, except for Iecerint (who can't use his barcode on it) can get to this door. So nobody can open this door until Iecrint unlocks his door.
Then there's purple. Room 7 also had an extra door in it. This one was opened by Mykonian. As Mykonian didn't leave this room when PhilyEc closed Room 7 and as Mykonian's door isn't locked, both Mykonian and PhilyEc can still move between these two rooms.

Corridor - Molestargazer, Tenchi, PhilyEc, Gregory

NOTE: When you open a room, you''ll automatically enter it.

[Iecerint]

As I understand them, the Mod's comments indicate that fake rules will be enforced in the same way as real rules. This means that MSG's infraction is being largely ignored not because the restriction isn't real, but because the infraction was minor (forgetting to mess with the quote). So MSG's failure to be punished is null with respect to his truthfulness.

I can't tell if your other comments are sarcastic, but I appreciate the sentiment, regardless.

I count 3 players in need of replacement -- Tenchi, Mastin, and Phily. This is a little extreme. It takes 6 of the 7 of us agreeing on something to lynch a player. If replacing is impossible, something like modkills may be necessary to keep the game going.

[don_johnson]

the post restriction is that he can't use names. he used a name. how is that a "minor infraction"? msg has recieved no punishment, be it fake or real. so yeah, whatever.

unvote, vote gregory

lets get some replacements.

[Gregory]

Greg, how am I silent? I've given my opinions. We are lynching Looker. If not Looker, then Don. We are NOT lynching you, Mastin, or Molest.

that's what I mean. You say: Greg and Ice are town...
No reasoning, nothing. You gotta see something the others don't see. Maybe you're allways like this, I've never played with you before. To me, it feels like you post short burst and then you stay in the background for some time again.

no real twist there. please show how the last thing wasn't against mole and i will retract the statement.

it was against the whole group who voted me on that moment. Mole was the only one who answered.

the post restriction is that he can't use names. he used a name. how is that a "minor infraction"? msg has recieved no punishment, be it fake or real. so yeah, whatever.

unvote, vote gregory

lets get some replacements.

please explain this vote
I got the feeling it's a fashion
If you don't know who to vote, vote greg, nobody will argue with that.

I count 3 players in need of replacement -- Tenchi, Mastin, and Phily. This is a little extreme. It takes 6 of the 7 of us agreeing on something to lynch a player. If replacing is impossible, something like modkills may be necessary to keep the game going.

no, on the end of the day the guy with most votes is being lynched. I agree it would be nice if there were some replacements.

[don_johnson]

my vote is where it was before moles incident. i think your claim is bullshit as i don't see any reason a mod would alert you to the fact that you are "insane."

[Iecerint]

the post restriction is that he can't use names. he used a name. how is that a "minor infraction"? msg has recieved no punishment, be it fake or real. so yeah, whatever.

I think you're misunderstanding. I am not personally arguing that the infraction was minor. I'm pointing out that, because the Mod has said he would punish MSG regardless of whether it was an official rule or an imaginary rule, he evidently thinks that it is such.

[don_johnson]

fine then.

mole: please post again and use someones name. if it is a minor infraction then you should at least recive some sort of warning and not a modkill.

[Iecerint]

You're misunderstanding. The Mod has said that whether or not rules are real will not affect how he enforces them. For example, if I claimed to be under a restriction where I could post using only smilies, I would be punished for breaking that rule even if it were only an imaginary, self-imposed rule. So whether MSG gets a warning or not via your method is null with regard to both her alignment and whether she is lying.

[Iecerint]

EBWOP: If anyone reads the Mod's text differently, feel free to correct me.

[don_johnson]

bastard modding.

the fact that there was no warning and that the mod is retroactively backing up the story makes me think zazie took some time to think on this one lending more towards mole being a big fat liar.

can we lynch someone now? i prefer greg, but mole will do as well. and hell, throw kmd in there for just being kmd.

[Iecerint]

You may be right about how the Mod came to decide how to address the issue, but that doesn't change the fact that getting MSG to break the rules is at this point likely to lead to consequences regardless of MSG's circumstances.

[don_johnson]

agreed. but my suspicion stands. seems to be slow here. does anyone have any thoughts on anything? Bueller?

[Battousai]

I'm kind of torn here.

Gregory- I find scummy due to claiming

insane

doc.
KMD- I find scummy for blatantly calling people town, with no reason.
DJ- His pursuit to get Mole modkilled is wrong, and I see it as him wanting to get mole killed
Looker- I don't like, due to her willing to cheat and I now have a null read.
Tenchi- I still find scummy from D1

Of these 5, I'm betting it is more likely that Gregory will be scum.

Unvote
Vote: Gregory