Mini 837 - Stratego Mafia! (Game Over!)

[ortolan]

Then why even mention this?

To say that I have very good reason to believe dramonic has to be entirely wrong about his speculation about the scenario. This is not a soft-claim, it has nothing to do with my role. It's also not an obvious reason. I would like to wait until at least day one has finished before discussing it further (it should be obvious soon enough). This isn't intended to be cryptic I just don't want to give away a device which could potentially help us catch scum in the early game.

[charter]

Vote Count

Gorrad - 2 (WeyounsLastClone, Sajin)

dramonic - 5 (Vaya, Hoopla, Synx, ortolan, ElectricBadger)

AlmasterGM - 1 (Kast)
Debonair Danny DiPietro - 1 (AlmasterGM)
ortolan - 1 (dramonic)

Not Voting

Debonair Danny DiPietro
Gorrad


With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!


Deadline is September 12, midnight.

[Hoopla]

Since when do we unvote on vanilla claims?

This is exactly what I was thinking. You should not let a player be pushed to L-1 if you have no intention of lynching them. If you have the intention of lynching them, a vanilla claim should not save them.

[ortolan]

Sajin why did you unvote dramonic? Who are you going to vote now?

[dramonic]

he's voting Gorrad, mo?

[ortolan]

Sorry. Sajin's jump onto dramonic in order to elicit a claim then jumping off when he claims is scummy. There's no reason not to lynch vanillas after they've claimed.

[dramonic]

there is a slight difference here.

Yes, I'm vanilla. However, I have a specific role name, colonel - 8. Therefore, I could get CCed, which has yet to happen.

[WeyounsLastClone]

Yeah, but for all you know there could be two colonel-8. And nr.8 is quite high, so if the ranks do play a role it might be wise not to out yourself if you have nr.8.

[dramonic]

if the numbers did play a role I doubt I'd be vanilla at 8 <<

[ortolan]

Argh. I hate to say it but frustratingly I think dramonic's town. At least until I re-read the game,

Unvote

[ElectricBadger]

Argh. I hate to say it but frustratingly I think dramonic's town.

What led to the change in opinion?

[ortolan]

Tempting as it is to go through with the policy lynch of dramonic I'm not feeling his recent responses as scum sadly

I think one or both of Kast and Hoops is scum

Hoops, are you scum?

Kast, are you scum?

[ElectricBadger]

Hmm. I have my own theory about the setup, and 8 is not a number I expected to be mafia.

But having a hard time resolving the Gorrad 'proof' as town. And charter may have made the setup more random than I expected.

[dramonic]

Well, the moment we hit scum we'll have a better idea about if the split is army/other or arbitrary. In the meantime, I think we are better off leaving Gorrad alive.

[Gorrad]

Dramonic, if you were really town you would know that the roles specifically do NOT say that you are the only one of your piece.

[dramonic]

it's written a, like it's written "you are a cop" and not "the cop" in other games <<
Also, there are 12 roles, why would Charter exclude some?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

This line of discussion does absolutely nothing for me, I completely expect the delimitation between town and scum to arbitrary. Dramonic is just a useless player in my view, but he reads town to me. I'm going to do a re-read and put together a top three of scummy players.

[dramonic]

Currently you are in absolutely no position to say that DDD.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Currently you are in absolutely no position to say that DDD.

I didn't get run up to L-1 for my shoddy play and I don't keep rambling on with pointless setup speculation, so yeah I am in a position to say that.

[Hoopla]

Tempting as it is to go through with the policy lynch of dramonic I'm not feeling his recent responses as scum sadly

I think one or both of Kast and Hoops is scum

Hoops, are you scum?

Kast, are you scum?

No, so it must be Kast.

[dramonic]

You have 7 posts, 5 of which don't even remotely bring something to the game. The other 2 are actual setup speculation.

[dramonic]

However since our opinions on uselessness are clearly different, let's just forget this and return to the game.

[ElectricBadger]

Well, the moment we hit scum we'll have a better idea about if the split is army/other or arbitrary. In the meantime, I think we are better off leaving Gorrad alive.

Clearly doesn't get why the 'proof' makes himself scummy; dramonic may have hit a valid reason I didn't think of - innocent obliviousness. That, or this is a brilliant ploy, but that doesn't match with the rest of the day's posts.

I'm still thinking an 8 doesn't sound like mafia unless the setup is completely random. Also, although I dislike too much speculation until we know if we want to protect the flag or take it, I will point out one thing for later: assuming all ranks are represented, a mass claim WILL net 1 mafia: the engineer and bomb can't be on the same side.

Unvote

Sajin and ortolan's moves are either pure scum or pure town. Neither has been on my scumdar, though, nor do I think either would take such a risk at this point if they were scum. So barring further evidence I'm thinking this implies town.

Dramonic is just a useless player in my view

This comment and the conversation it spawned is even more useless. Pot, meet kettle, then move on to finding mafia.

Have to ponder the Kast/AlmasterGM situation. Both top my scum list, but increasingly not together. Will be back with a vote later.

[Sajin]

Dramonic, if you were really town you would know that the roles specifically do NOT say that you are the only one of your piece.

Gorrad....why more of the same stuff?

[ortolan]

Vote: Hoopla