California Trilogy: City of Angels - On Camera (Game Over)

[Mr. Grey]

Vote Count:

5 to Decide.

Follow Valentine Wiggin: 2 (John Locke, Valentine Wiggin)
Follow John Locke: 0

Not Voting: 7 (Carrie Fisher, Count de Morcerf, DEATH, Huey Lewis, Julie Newmar, Mr. Green, Randy Jones)

[MafiaJin]

Lewis, I play to win. If I am no longer of the innocent, my agenda will be different. I would not believe anything I said after that.

You really want me to drive dont you?

Yes, but now you're just playing a mindgame on me. It's like your trying to betray us.

[MafiaJin]

I wish to speak some more though. Can we really trust Locke that he is currently innocent? Wouldn't those of a non-innocent agenda say that as well? That's that wicked mindgame that he wants to play on us.

[StarKiss]

Vote: Valentine Wiggin

[Thesp]

Newmar, you're not really saying anything that's not readily identifiable even on a cursory glance. How likely do you think it is that Locke speaks truth? How likely do you think it is that Valentine speaks truth?

[hewitt]

I believe that Locke would say the same thing if he is not innocent. It's a brilliant game he's playing either way, messing with all of our heads by insisting that he not drive.

[curiouskarmadog]

Laughs

Mind Games? Where? There is only truth.

Your thoughts on Valentine...is she playing mind games too?

[hewitt]

Locke don't even pretend like we should take everything you and Valentine say at face value. That would be incredibly naive on our parts. She may be or she may not be but I feel that one of you is. Who that advocate is though is impossibly to tell right now.

There is never only truth in these situations Locke.

[curiouskarmadog]

That is not my point.

She says I am playing a mind game. Where? What have I done but be forth coming? I have told you all I know. I have ONLY been honest and truthful. It is up to you rather you believe it or not, but nothing I have said is a mind game.

[hewitt]

Again Locke, we would be idiotic to take everything you say at face value no matter how many times you insist that you are only being honest and truthful.

[curiouskarmadog]

AGAIN, not my point. I was addressing that she is implying that I am playing a mind game.

WHERE?

[sottyrulez]

*Mr Green shakes his head despondently*

I fail to see the issue here. If anything, a better argument can be made that Ms Wiggin is not being all that forthcoming with her information as opposed to Mr Locke. Locke on the other hand, seems to have given us as much information as he can.. A lot is being made about how truthful he is, while in contrast Ms Wiggin stays quiet.

I will state that it is highly unlikely that neither of our advocates is an innocent. I have crunched the numbers of several different scenarios, and by far, the best move is to listen to what both advocates are telling us. The odds that both are misleading us pale in comparison to the odds that at least one is telling us the truth.

It is indeed most likely that we have at least one innocent advocate in this decision, and it's actually not even that unreasonable from a mathematical perspective to believe that both are innocent. But given that there are probably non innocents amongst us and that the most effort is being put forth in questioning Mr Locke's words. If one of our advocates is not amongst the innocent, my feeling would be put toward Ms Wiggin being our non innocent.

*Mr Green pauses giving a slight shrug of his shoulders*

Call it, gut.

*Mr Green waves a flippant hand*

As of right now I feel much more strongly that we have non innocents questioning what should be a very easy decision. This, is very troubling to me. Also with the sudden appearance of Ms Fisher I would guess that she has something very pressing to say. Her silence as of right now is very concerning. Voting should be put on hold until she passes on the message she was obviously sent to tell us.

[Mr. Grey]

Deadline:

Approximately 64.5 hours from this post.

Vote Count:

5 to Decide.

Follow Valentine Wiggin: 3 (Huey Lewis, John Locke, Valentine Wiggin)
Follow John Locke: 0

Not Voting: 6 (Carrie Fisher, Count de Morcerf, DEATH, Julie Newmar, Mr. Green, Randy Jones)

[PJ.]

nods as she listens to what Green is saying

I understand how you feel and why you feel that way, but I think the one thing you fail to take into account is that I could have not, and did not, received as much information as Locke. This why I have chosen to stay quiet because I believe in what I was told and I believe that Locke is telling the truth. If he isn't, than it was truly brilliant play to get what he wanted, but that doesn't help the rest of us and I KNOW that the only person put in jeopardy when I drive is myself.

[Mr. Grey]

Mod Note:

After thinking it over a bit, I am going to say that quoting short (1-2 paragraph) parts of hydra quicktopics is acceptable. Longer than that should be paraphrased.

[curiouskarmadog]

so much talk about the speed of our decision, now that we have but hours left, so quiet.

[hewitt]

...Locke who is the she you are referring to when you say she is saying you are playing mind games?

And Valentine the only piece of information you received is that if you drive you are the only person in jeopardy?

[curiouskarmadog]

(curious look)

Why Mrs. Newmar, she just said it.

[hewitt]

Hm apparently I wasn't listening while she was speaking. I do think it's a good possibility that you're playing a mind game though. What I find curious is how you say you will be in jeopardy if you drive yet Valentine says that is the one who will be in jeopardy if she drives. It's curious that you would react to that by saying she drives but she reacts by saying that she drives as well.

[Mr. Grey]

Mod Note:

ThebladethatkilledMufasa have not posted for 72 hours, and have received their second strike.

[curiouskarmadog]

I have a feeling those who oppose us will not like that I have chose to not join there numbers....purely speculation and nothing I have been told. I have been told what will happen to me if I drive.

[Thesp]

Fisher, why in the world do you hold your tongue at this moment? Speak, woman! Be heard!

We ought not leave until we've heard Fisher speak.

[ThebladethatkilledMufasa]

ME AND MYSELF HAVE ONCE AGAIN CONFERRED, WE BELIEVE THAT AT THIS POINT THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO TO PUSH THIS GAME FURTHER AND IN AN APPROPRIATE DIRECTION IS TO FOLLOW VALENTINE. ALTHOUGH, WE SHALL NOT WANT TO PUT HASTE ON ANY FELLOW PLAYERS. AT THIS POINT WE ARE FOLLOWING VALENTINE.

[ThebladethatkilledMufasa]

JUST IN CASE WE DIDNT MAKE OURSELVES CLEAR

FOLLOW VALENTINE WIGGIN

[Mr. Grey]

Deadline:

Approximately 36.5 hours from this post.

Vote Count:

5 to Decide.

Follow Valentine Wiggin: 4 (DEATH, Huey Lewis, John Locke, Valentine Wiggin)
Follow John Locke: 0

Not Voting: 5 (Carrie Fisher, Count de Morcerf, Julie Newmar, Mr. Green, Randy Jones)