Mini 833 - Empire at War(The game is over?)

[Sajin]

Koc- I would love to hear your opinions about everyone.

[Slicey]

Sorry, I was in NYC all day, I'll try to read at least a little bit tonight. I have some free time tomorrow, I'll try to finish it then.

[Starbuck]

Why is Santos so eager to claim?

[xRECKONERx]

Hmm. Good question. Either he's got a real good fake claim he wants to use, or he's jumping at the chance to claim a PR and turn the investigation elsewhere.

[Kdub]

Santos is still my vote today. He's made far too many slip-ups for me to think he might be forgetful/unattentive/confused town.

I don't see it. What makes his mistakes here more likely to come from scum?

His use of "scum teams" may have been an honest mistake, but there's still a chance it was a legit scumslip. His mix-up of BC and Jebus is strange because he used the miller claim as reason to suspect Jebus, even after he said he suspected BC but never gave reasons. Even after his mistake was pointed out to him, he apparently mixed them up again? His play just doesn't seem logical and consistent, which is a scum tell in my opinion.

[Santos]

Whats the point of holding out a claim when I can just claim?

[Starbuck]

Because you really shouldn't claim unless you absolutely have to. Please answer my above question, why are you so eager?

[Santos]

Because this game is slow and incredibly circular/redundant.

[Starbuck]

Because this game is slow and incredibly circular/redundant.

Do you feel this way because the focus is on you and not on anyone else?

[RestFermata]

I have to quit all my games. I no longer have the time to even think about Mafia anymore. I doubt I'll be able to come back to it until May 2010. I'm terribly sorry for putting the mods through this, and I'm also sorry for not getting back sooner to say it, but I've had a huge RL mess to deal with so I've been very distracted and unfortunately, these games have been the last things on my mind.

I hope it ends up a fun game for everyone. See you later!

[BloodCovenent]

Santos is still my vote today. He's made far too many slip-ups for me to think he might be forgetful/unattentive/confused town.

I don't see it. What makes his mistakes here more likely to come from scum?

His use of "scum teams" may have been an honest mistake, but there's still a chance it was a legit scumslip. His mix-up of BC and Jebus is strange because he used the miller claim as reason to suspect Jebus, even after he said

he suspected BC but never gave reasons.

Even after his mistake was pointed out to him, he apparently mixed them up again? His play just doesn't seem logical and consistent, which is a scum tell in my opinion.

He said that was only to act/play like zwet would. It didn't make much sense to me either. but, whatever.

[MacavityLock]

Santos, I have asked you some questions that you haven't yet answered. Please do so.

Jebus, after realizing he is the claimed miller, still ranks as flaky and ignorant. Even if you ARE a miler, it doesn't mean you don't have to scum hunt. Hence, why I think he should be a certain lynch soon, including his replacement...unless his replacement has a redeeming quality we are all looking for.

Where is Jebus claimed miller? Is this a typo? Thoroughly confused.

Also, its nice to hear from you Macavity. What do you think of zwet today, the 'evidence' I've tried to provide in having a reason for his lynch today or even the lack thereof a zwet-lynch today?

I think your tactic was interesting, and I have no major problem with it, but I'm not sure if it gave me anything that I'd feel comfortable voting. What reaction would you have wanted from zwet for you to have classified him as townie?

[Kreriov]

Well, I think I would like Santos to claim if he wants if only so I can see some of the discussion around his claim. As I stated before, I will definitely not be around this weekend, so input I may are may not have will occur today, tomorrow, and on Tues next week. As I am not voting for Santos and do not think I will be, this is probably a minor consideration. I feel that Santos has made mistakes as a result of him not really caring about this game. The one thing I find scummy is his votes with no explanation and subsequent 'I acted scummy to be like zwet' excuse. I am not sure if he was trying to set up zwet somehow or simply does not like zwet.

[xRECKONERx]

Jeez, another replacement needed? For RF? *sigh*

Santos, you can go ahead and claim if you want, it's your choice. Because honestly, I don't see this wagon going any other way unless Slicey or RF's replacements just scumslip royally.

[Slicey]

Yay read first 5 pages. >_> I'm loving Krer right now, he's my biggest town read by far. Bonus points for helping us get out of the RVS! But your posts are humongous, please try and condense it at least a little bit.

I'm really not liking Jebus right now. First a 'random' OMGUS vote well after we're out of the RVS, and then his catch-up post saying Krer was scummy because he was overzealous in defending himself? ugh that is so bad. Also, there was buddying in that post between Jebus and zwet.

RF is giving me bad vibes, but I can't really put my finger on it. More gut than anything.

[xRECKONERx]

Nine more to go please.

[Slicey]

BTW, Miller claim was terrible, not sure if I believe it or not.

[Slicey]

Alright, finished. ^_^ Santos is...interesting. I think the scumteams's slip was not actually a slip, and just a very silly mistake. Based on the theme of this game, I can't see two scumteams. Then the whole thing with getting confused with the millers. I think he even said at one point that BC claiming miller wasn't scummy, and then said Jebus claiming miller was scummy. Check BC's 274, which sums it up pretty well. Basically, it seemed that Santos was being intentionally scummy (AKA zwet), and then voted BC just because it's what zwet was doing. Did you have any suspicions of BC at all?

Jebus has been pretty bad too, he calls zwet likely town with little reasoning other than he's scumhunting (zwet had done very little scumhunting at that point). There is a definite buddying between the two. Jebus also weakly defended Santos in his last post.

BC has been pretty bad IMHO. The claim was bad; at the end of a semi-long post, he just adds 'btw im a miller.' I have more to add to this but I have to go now. ;~;

@all: do you think millers should be NK'ed ASAP?

@zwet: what do you think of Jebus?

Vote: Santos

You are my second suspect as of now, behind Jebus, but what you have done is pretty scummy and wishy washy. Claim or die.

[Santos]

eh, whatever,

Vote: Santos

, hopefully you have more to go with the next day.

[Santos]

eh, whatever,

Vote: Santos

, hopefully you have more to go with the next day.

My claim is in the 'supposed' VT role pm provided by the mod.

[Santos]

holy shit, MS error code fail in submission of postssssssssss!!!!!!!!!11!1!1

[zwetschenwasser]

What the fuck?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Shit, everyone knows only zwet is allowed to hammer...[/sarcasm]

And guys, I'd love to tell you what I'm thinking, but I don't even have a role PM yet, so nothing until that happens.

Mod: Any time now would be great.

[Slicey]

Didn't that happen to you in zwet's game too? XD

[Knight of Cydonia]

Yeah... it's not like I'm a forgettable face... is it?

*curls up in a corner and cries a little*